Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:14:01 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #80 - 21 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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How does that work? Do you fold it and then... (Miguel) 2. moving in sparring (Miguel) 3. monopoly (Art VanVranken) 4. Re: moving in sparring (Ray Terry) 5. Re: How does that work? Do you fold it and then... (Ray Terry) 6. Re: Wendy's head (Stanley Wojcoski) 7. Re: Re: Monopoly (and School owner/master attitudes) (bmac2) 8. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Yep,_thats_the_book!!_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 9. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Decisions,_Decisions.....?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 10. the gathering (Rudy Timmerman) 11. Kids Defense (Dr. Daryl Covington) 12. Re: Seo Seminar in Tampa (tg dewey) 13. Monoploy (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 14. Re: Re: Seo Seminar in Tampa (Ray Terry) 15. Romanisation: addendum (Andrew Pratt) 16. Master C.H. Chen (Chris LaCava) 17. Korean military history (Andrew Pratt) 18. 2003 CQC HKD Retreat (fwd) (Ray Terry) 19. From Dr Chua....sine curve (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Miguel" To: Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:41:03 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] How does that work? Do you fold it and then... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, The prescibed way (according to Gen, Choi Hong Hi) is to place already folded the pants on top of the unfolded jacket then fold the jacket - sleeves in, bottom up is such a wasy as to containt he pants. Then roll in a manner that will display the patch or logo. Wrap the belt around the bundle twice and tie in the same manner that you would ware it. Miguel http://garciatkd.com [if you can't beat your computer at chess. try kickboxing] --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Miguel" To: Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:44:09 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] moving in sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Moving in sparring, Stay loose, like a dance. Don't square up to your opponent. move circularly, don't ge a heavy front foot, work your timing. Miguel http://garciatkd.com [if you can't beat your computer at chess. try kickboxing] --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Art VanVranken" To: Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:30:46 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] monopoly Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In our area, I havent heard of schools actually stalking other schools, or threatening them, but one "Acedemy" has his students sign a form stating that they will not open a school within a certain distance of his school. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] moving in sparring To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 08:16:44 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I was wondering if anyone could give me some tips on moving whilst sparring > (TKD), as in getting out the way so i dont get my head kicked in :). Get a/some classmates to work with you outside of class. Start moving at about one-half speed, doing some VERY light sparring with each other. The idea is not to win, not to worry about the contact. Just work on your movement. Work on reacting to each other's movement. Circle. Angle. In. Out. Light feet. Quick movement (at half speed). After trying that for awhile, move to three-quarter speed. Keep working on the movement, the dance. Find a partner that will cooperate with you. Just start off slow, working with someone that you can trust not to clobber you and slowly (over a handful of sessions) build up your speed. Also visualize yourself sparring. Think of your movement, how your feet will be moving, how your body weight will shift. Meditate on this several days for a few mins. Then do more training as described above. Most importantly, have fun with it. Make it enjoyable. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] How does that work? Do you fold it and then... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 08:19:20 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > The prescibed way (according to Gen, Choi Hong Hi) is to place already > folded the pants on top of the unfolded jacket then fold the jacket - > sleeves in, bottom up is such a wasy as to containt he pants. Then roll in > a manner that will display the patch or logo. Wrap the belt around the > bundle twice and tie in the same manner that you would ware it. Yes, that is the way the General and I both learned it... :) The question was if you don't roll, only fold, your uniform, how do you carry it in the traditional manner? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Stanley Wojcoski" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:40:25 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Wendy's head Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wendy wrote: To all, I was wondering if anyone could give me some tips on moving whilst sparring (TKD), as in getting out the way so i dont get my head kicked in :). My last grading was the first time that i was assessed on free sparring and we dont do much of it in class. The thing i find hardest is the moving, hence why im asking you lot!! So if anyone has any drills i can do at home/in my own time or anything of any help it would be much appreciated! thanks for your time. sincerely Wendy. Hi Wendy, FOOTWORK is the key to keeping yourself out of trouble. When you are in a fighting stance, you want to be able to move laterally but NOT open yourself up for attacks. Let's say you have your left foot forward. If you want to move to your left (backward), move your rear foot first. Moving your front foot first would square you up to your opponent and turn you into a target. Moving the rear foot first keeps you side facing. Now, if you want to move to your right (still left foot forward) then move the front foot first. This will also keep you from squaring off. Same thing applies with the opposite stance. Just remember, forward - front foot, backward - back foot. Pil Seung, Stan Wojcoski Il Dan WTF Garcia's TaeKwonDo _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:30:14 -0600 From: "bmac2" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Monopoly (and School owner/master attitudes) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Very well said Mark, Good luck on your test. your gonna make an awesoime Black Belt! Kat ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:43:17 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Yep,_thats_the_book!!_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Richard: "......If you are really interested in the question of whether Japan was influenced by Korea try the book "Korean Impact on Japanese Culture: Japan's Hidden History" by Jon Carter Covell & Alan Covell. Also many of the Influences in Japan came from China indirectly via Korea. This is not to say that Japan did not also have an influence but if you check the dissertation database I believe you will find several dissertations on the subject......" Yes, JAPANS HIDDEN HISTORY was the book that I was citing in my post. The authors' mention some potential misinterpretations and misrepresentations of history (mostly by Japanese sources)and make a credible arguement for the various influences on Japanese development through the Kaya and Paekshe kingdoms.HIDDEN HISTORY is not as tedious as Lees' book (Lee mentions the origination of moveable printing type in Korea 200 years before Gutenberg about 15 times) but it would have been nice if Covell had expanded on non- literary evidence a bit more. He certainly made a case for the way in which the Japanese have traditionally eschewed Korean origins in their history. He also made a good case for the way in which the post WW II World was remiss in automatically taking Japanese scholarship as the defining position for Korean history. (Who died and made THEM the authority?) BTW: I found a little (488 pp) gem of a book. It was written by a woman traveler, Isabella Bird Bishop, in about 1894 and first published in 1898. It was republished in 1970 but unfortunately I can't find an ISBN number anywhere in the copy I have. The tone of the writing is not as Edwardian as you might think and she does a wonderful job of describing day-to-day Korea as she travels through it just prior to the Japanese takeover. KOREA AND HER NEIGHBORS is pretty unvarnished and in some ways paints a pretty dismal picture of the country in someways. However, there are not that many books which treat the pre-Japanese Korea and I think we could use a lot more light shed on this time. I think she also wrote a similar book on Japan (THE UNTRODDEN JAPAN {?}). AS cold as it is outside maybe this would be a couple of decent books to hunker down with. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:52:36 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Decisions,_Decisions.....?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ".....Let me see, the seminar costs 175 dollars for two days and Pelligrini is going to be there,,, I only live 125 miles away,, hmm let me think a minute... well I could travel half that distance and work out with the great pupah grandmaster hackworth,, let's see,, pelligrini or hackworth,,, well I think I'll just stay in east florida and drive an icepick in my ear,, probably get more out of that anyway... but best of luck for all of you that go........" I can't imagine that I would be able to make it, but with only three hours of GM Seo over two days, $175 to get in, and another couple hundred to get down there Jackson looks better and better all the time. Gee, with Richard being so close maybe he would let me have a look-see at his doctoral dissertation (yeah, like THAT could happen!). A quick BTW to Jeremy: Who is Master Yu and how did he fill in for GM Seo? What is his background and what sort of material did he cover? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 13:50:00 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] the gathering Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jeremy writes: > I am not 100% sure, but I belive they were to have GM > Seo teach longer than 15 minutes. I believe he was to > have the spot that GM Yu had in his absence (1 hour on > Saturday and 2 hours of Sunday) Hi Jeremy: I believe that there were two factions at work at the gathering in Chicago. Hanshi Juchnik, who promotes that event, and Masters Gavin and Stigallthe who did their best to aid in the organization. Their hope was to have more Korean content, and hence they, along with GM Cyrus, worked on bringing GM Seo to the event. I got the feeling that the promoter insisted on running it as usual (15 min per session). For whatever reason, the idea of more Korean content did not work out, and even the extra time Master Yu spent on the floor was begrudged. I believe it only took place because he taught during lunch and some of us gave up our teaching spots. Despite these little setbacks, I had a great time and truly enjoyed hoisting a few with you, GM DeAlba, Cyrus, and our Chicago hosts. Yes, Bruce should have been there:) I am visiting Chicago this July on the way to a Houston seminar with Kat Kelly. I am working on putting something together in Chicago on Sunday, July 27, but the details still need to be worked out. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:20:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Dr. Daryl Covington" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kids Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Shinsei Hapkido system has its own kids self defense program that is quite good, and will be out in print in a few months. The techniques / methods of teaching will be on our website www.shinseihapkido.com, in a few weeks as well. All is downloadable, and free. One thing to remember in Kids self defense: avoiding bad situations is best. Most "KIDS self defense" has techniques that jsut don't work due to the kids size. Practical training on staying out of bad situations, calling 911, screaming, etc. is quite helpful and does not create a false security. Grace and Peace, daryl www.karateforchrist.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 13:33:03 -0800 (PST) From: tg dewey To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Seo Seminar in Tampa Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear All, I don't know where some people get their information. This is getting silly and it seems like that all some people want to do is badmouth and criticize without even having a notion of what the facts are. I was at GM Seo's seminar in Boca Raton, Florida in 1999, hosted by GM Pellegrini, and GM Seo taught at total of 9 hours over the 2 day period. No one else taught anything and he was absolutely incredible!! I was told that this year's format is the same. GM Seo will teach 5 hours on Saturday and 4 hours on Sunday and $175 for that caliber of instruction is more than worth it! The site is a 5 star hotel and buffet lunch is included both days! So people can continue to belittle and try to be funny but this will be an intensive and successful event that true Martial Artists should be proud to attend!! TG --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day --__--__-- Message: 13 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:37:01 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Monoploy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We have had up to four other MA schools within two miles of our HKD school. One, a kung fu school, opened about two blocks away from us. The head instructor of our school stopped by, introduced himself, welcomed them to the neighborhood and wished them luck in their business. What a great example for our young BBs, who at first thought he was joking when he told us about it. BTW - They lasted a whole four months before they closed. Sharon --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Seo Seminar in Tampa To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:13:20 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I was at GM Seo's seminar in Boca Raton, Florida in 1999, hosted by > GM Pellegrini, and GM Seo taught at total of 9 hours over the 2 day period. I think it is more the association with P that is the problem for the great majority of folks, not the ability of Gm Seo. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Andrew Pratt" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:10:41 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] Romanisation: addendum Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On Friday Ray contributed: > Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 06:53:06 -0800 (PST) > How do romanization rules change? Who makes the call? The government makes a/the call. < The government likes to think it makes the call... ;-) No one has ever really understood any of the systems that the government has promoted. It was reported last year that on the new motorway to the international airport, the airport's name was spelt four different ways on various signs! Basically, there is the government's new system and McCune Reischauser. My advice is take your pick and stick with it. I prefer McR but am jaded enough to tolerate the new system (but don't expect any Koreans to understand your attempt at pronunciation!). Andrew --__--__-- Message: 16 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:22:11 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master C.H. Chen Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye N.: <> Master Chen is not affiliated with United Studios. Master Chen runs Hsimgado with his wife, Deborah, on Stony Hill Road in... Oops, my mistake... Bethel. Digging through my martial arts file cabinet I found... Master Chen is a certified teacher by the Taiwan Kuosho Association. He is also part of The Republic of China Hsing Hsiang Association and Republic of China I Ching Learning Society. Take care :) Chris "from CT" LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 17 From: "Andrew Pratt" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:30:52 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean military history Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye asked: > SOOOOOOOOOO....lol....I was wondering what did Korea have to share? Don't think of this as saying who invented the wheel, or who found fire first, think of this like the spice trade of foriegn lands; some lands may not have had the same spices as another land and so they traded. Think of my question in the same sense. < Korea has historically function as one of the main arteries for the transmission of Chinese culture (Confucianism aka political systems, Buddhism, art, etc) to Japan. The trade was mostly sea- borne, from the Shandong peninsula and then following the east coast of Korea until the short hop from Pusan to Tsushima and the Japanese Islands. There was presumably some trade in the other direction but at the moment I can't recall its form. At least at one point they supplied troops in a failed attempt to stop the overthrow of the Paekche kingdom (Japanese historians claim that Japan was unified under one state early on. Korean historians claim that that state was established as part of a Greater-Paekche kingdom. I would like to speculate that there were several Japanese kingdoms but the only one we have substantial records for is the Paekche connected one). Andrew --__--__-- Message: 18 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:34:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] 2003 CQC HKD Retreat (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: Subject: 2003 CQC HKD Retreat Dear Fellow Martial Artists, May I take a brief moment of your time to invite you to attend our 2003 CQC HKD Sun and Sand Retreat? The Event will be held 16th to 20th October, 2003, in tropical Malaysia. Costs are deliberately kept low .....only US$200 for the early bird special. This includes 4 Star Resort accomodation (twin basis), ALL meals plus teas, fees, etc. Please go to www.jlim.net for the full story and previous year's pictures, or click onto the attachment for the full Invitation. If you can't make it, we would appreciate it kindly if you would pass this on to persons that you feel may want to. Thank you and Stay Safe, Julian Lim. --__--__-- Message: 19 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:02:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] From Dr Chua....sine curve Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sine curve is similar to the Infinity sign.If you look at the Korean Flag,at the interjunction between red and blue,you will see a sign curve,which is half the infinity sign.Following the movement of the sine, you can defend and attack continuously and smoothly at any point along the curve, similar to Tai Chi. In ITF,Sine wave is as you move forward, the body goes into a sine wave motion ,purpose is to increase power in your punch. Regards DrChua DrChua __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustutkd1@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest