Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:43:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #82 - 19 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: U.S. taekwondo team stuns world's number one, Korea (fwd) (John Wallace) 2. Re: Tampa Seminar (tg dewey) 3. Re: stretching and flexibility (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 4. Summer Semiars (bmac2) 5. Re: U.S. taekwondo team stuns world's number one, Korea (Ray Terry) 6. more people and seminars (Ray Terry) 7. Seminars (Rudy Timmerman) 8. Stepping Out (SEXTONR003@hawaii.rr.com) 9. Eskrima-Arnis-FMA list fyi (Ray Terry) 10. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Stretching_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 11. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Stepping_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 12. RE: U.S. taekwondo team stuns world's number one, Korea (John Wallace) 13. Re: 46 year-old high kicks (Jeffery Dean Sr.) 14. Re: Chemical Weapons (ABurrese@aol.com) 15. words of wisdom (michael tomlinson) 16. Dragon Times (Andrew Pratt) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "John Wallace" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] U.S. taekwondo team stuns world's number one, Korea (fwd) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:41:55 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net How did that work? Did Korea so thoroughly dominate other matches that they scored enough points to edge USA? -JW > ---------- USA beat Korea, but Korea was awarded the Team Gold Medal. It was first announced on Saturday night that USA had won the Team Gold, but then Korea received it in the awards ceremony at the end of the games. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/2003 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:55:20 -0800 (PST) From: tg dewey To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Tampa Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Bruce, I understand what you are saying about the cost of the seminar, room, airfare... what I don't understand is why when asking information about if GM Seo will be teaching there alone or in conjunction with others... everyone needs to throw in comments like "I'd rather drive an ice pick in my head than attend an event where GM Pellegrini is going to be". That's what I meant about the badmouthing... I also don't understand why everyone is always down on him... What has he done to you guys? I am fairly new to the list so I really don't know a lot about him. However, when I see his name mentioned on this list everyone makes comments like the above... What gives with that? I am really curious to know. Anyone know him? I called the Ki-Do and spoke to Sara Seo and I also called the ICHF and spoke to GM Pellegrini. He was very nice on the phone and explained the format of the seminar, the hours, etc... and I was assured by both that GM Seo will be the only one teaching there. No one else. That's all I wanted to say.... Best wishes to all, TG --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day --__--__-- Message: 3 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:24:43 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: stretching and flexibility Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net " What can I do to get my kicks back "up there"?  Do the stretching machines work?  Is there a stretching program that really works? Bill T. in St. Louis, MO" hi bill :) greetings from just down the road in columbia! first, let me say that flexibility can take awhile. you probably know that its going to take longer than five months, but i'll say it anyway. be patient and be proud of yourself for getting into martial arts. there's some great info out there on the net and in books in regard to your challenge. here's a link to brad appleton's FAQ on stretching and flexibility: http://www.enter act.com/~bradapp/docs/rec/stretching/ thomas kurz also has some good stuff: http://www.stadion.com/author_ kurz.html there's also the turtlepress book _martial arts after 40_ which you can purchase through them at www.turtlepress.com or through us at a discount of 10% for dojang digesters :) good luck and take care, melinda :) Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1-573-673-2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1-877-847-4072 --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:32:24 -0600 From: "bmac2" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Summer Semiars Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Making plans for your summer seminar trips? Well then don't miss out on Grand Master Rudy Timmerman's return to Houston 2003. DATE: SATURDAY JULY 26, 2003 PLACE: BRAESWOOD MARTIAL ART CENTER, HOUSTON TEXAS TIME: 10:00 AM - 8:00 PM (SCHEDULE OF EVENTS COMING SOON) CONTACT: KAT KELLY, 713-283-6000 (FAX 713-283-8400) Space is limited, NKMAA members receive priority status. More details to come! ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] U.S. taekwondo team stuns world's number one, Korea To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:32:47 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > How did that work? Did Korea so thoroughly dominate other matches that they > scored enough points to edge USA? There were four sessions and one 'special event, free' over three days. The entire Games were to be run like the Olympics to give the athletes a chance to experience what they are like. Large crowd, multiple events being held at once, lots of noise and distraction, etc. In TKD, USA vs. Japan was held in session 2. Japan vs. Korea in session 3. USA vs. Korea in session 4. Interestling, Karate was held as a demo sport with USA and Mexico fighting twice. USA took the Team Gold. I didn't see any of those sessions. In Judo the teams there were Mexico, China and USA. In wrestling the teams there were Russia, Cuba and USA. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:37:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] more people and seminars Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I also don't understand why everyone is always down on him... As another person put it, "I've never liked him and I always will." Best to investigate deeply and then come to your own conclusion. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:22:18 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Seminars Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce writes: > One of the nice things about Master > Wests' Internationale is that the theme is predominantly Korean, and > the > presenters have multiple offerings so that one need not have to > sacrifice > one desired event for another. I think the reason Tampa caught me was > that > it is hosted by a Korean-style entity and would seem to be limited to > Korean-style material. Now the question remains whether or not GM Seo > will > be providing the larger share of the instruction. Hi Bruce: After attending JRs seminar, I did not only noticed the Korean theme (after all that is what we train in), but I most noticed a remarkable sense of friendship and camaraderie among the presenters and attendees alike. I believe that this is no doubt part of the reason why so many people return year after year. No bull, no politics, just great training at a reasonable fee - - what more can anyone ask for? On the seminar with GM Seo. I am positive that he will be the ONLY presenter in FLA. It is just the way he does things. I can't see anyone object to having his sons and son in law assist in close ups, because they have a good command of the English language. They know what GM Seo want the attendees to learn, and they do a great job of helping to bring it right to you. I don't lick anyone's boots, but I can truly say it is great to see one of the icons of Korean martial arts on the floor doing what he loves to do -- slam his sons around with great vigor:) I have heard GM Ji also spends a lot of actual time on the floor. A refreshing change from what I was used to in the association I was previously involved with. Chicago: For a number of years, a few folks in this region have pushed to have Korean martial artists get together to train; however, for some reason we have not enjoyed the benefit of wide support. It has not been for lack of trying. In my case, the expenses and exchange rates simply make it too costly for my Canadian students to attend US functions. I have also had a tough time to renew my students' faith in Korean masters after their experience with WKSA, and I can't blame them for that. I'm glad to say that they are slowly coming around, now all we can hope for is that the Canadian dollar will do the same. Nevertheless, this slow turn around of my students eagerness to participate did not help when GM Cyrus called for support in the past. While Canadians had perhaps a good reason to stay home, the support from the US side was also less than stellar. JR now benefits from the many years he has presented his events in Jackson, and his hard work is now paying off. That is terrific, but I would be surprised if things started off that great. In presenting a good event, you need to be able to count on some initial support (hopefully enough to offset the expenses), then you need to do a great job teaching, and only then do you get to build on word of mouth advertising. Problem as I see it is to be able to count on the initial expenses to be covered, because no one is willing to take a bath. JP will have a lot of expenses to deal with in bringing GM Seo to the US; and, despite what anyone thinks of him, if he loses big time, we might never see GM Seo in the US again. That is the bottom line. Promoters cannot be expected to bear the burden, and good press will only go so far when it comes to paying the bills. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 8 From: To: Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:36:35 -1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Stepping Out Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Today, after class, I had a lengthy conversation with SaBum regarding footwork in TKD forms. Basically, the conversation centered around the comparative advantages and disadvantages of a straight step or "c" step in moving from one technique to the other. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on this matter. <> I was taught that with the "straight forward" step, that there is a point where you are committed to stepping forward even if the dynamics of the situation changes. With the "c-step" there are many more opportunties to change directions, skip, hop etc.. Sliding the feet close to the ground with a C-step may kick a beer bottle, etc. out of the way versus stepping on it and losing your balance. The c-step can also be viewed(used) as a low front kick or in to outside low ankle or shin kick. Your sack of jewels are also more protected with legs closer together. In the styles I've studied, the legs tend to stay closer in a more upright stance...or was that because you're getting older? Randall Sexton www.LaughingHra.com "It's better to have loved and lost than to live with the psycho for the rest of your life." --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:47:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Eskrima-Arnis-FMA list fyi Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just fyi, for those so inclined... Ray Terry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you practice Eskrima, Escrima, Kali, Arnis, Eskrido, Dumog or some other Filipino martial art? Then join the Filipino martial arts e-mail forum, the premier internet discussion forum devoted to the FMAs. The Eskrima list is a ~1500 member e-mail distribution forum for the respectful discussion of the Filipino martial arts, for those wheresoever dispersed around the globe. 9 years of continuous operation. The list is managed by "Mailman". To subscribe to the Eskrima list go to: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:13:59 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Stretching_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Bill: ".....I have a question / problem that I suspect is not unique. I am 46 years-old and have been taking TKD lessons for five months with my young son at a fine dojang. I am experiencing many positive changes to my body and mind due to TKD, and I would like your sage advice to help me overcome a big hurdle -- high kicks. Two decades ago I was able to easily kick over my head. I could lay my forehead on my leg when stretching. Leaping kicks were no problem. But now, as a middle-aged man, the body is nowhere near as flexible as it used to be (after ten years of inactivity). What can I do to get my kicks back "up there"? Do the stretching machines work? Is there a stretching program that really works?....." This subject has been covered a number of times so I would invite you to check-out the archives for much good information. The reason I am taking time to comment is that since going over 50 I am finding that training has taken on a critical new aspect that I would like to share. First, let me say that I do not heal as fast. What that means is that where pulling a muscle or straining a ligament years back would not be such a big deal, it has become something I work MUCH harder to avoid. Bouncing right into class cold has gone by the wayside, as has "trying" this or that without working up to it first. Secondly, I can't go without stretching each day---- whether or not I go to class. It must be a regular part of my day just like brushing my teeth or using the toilet. I used to be able to get by just on what happened in class but that too is a thing of the past. Thirdly, diet is incredibly important. Your body does not absorb nutrients, or throw off toxins as readily as when you were in your twenties. Water soluble vitamins such as B and C are vital for good performance as are minerals such as potassium, calcium and sodium. Hydration becomes critical as well. Lastly, learn how to surrender things that you simply cannot do anymore. I still get out on the mat and take breakfalls for all my students, but I have pretty much given-up the idea of ever being able to do a jump-spinning heel kick or jump spinning back kick. It was never a part of Hapkido anyhow, but it is a great goal to shoot for, and I still work on it, but only to keep my other kicking skills up. You can stay pretty active in the martial arts for quite a while, but as you get older it becomes more and more critical that you use your head and be consistent. I recently had a bout with sciatica and am just coming out of it. Wouldn't wish that on anyone---- well, maybe there is ONE person I would wish it on but thats another story. :-) Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:58:38 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Stepping_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Neal: ".....Basically, the conversation centered around the comparative advantages and disadvantages of a straight step or "c" step in moving from one technique to the other. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on this matter....." I am not going to pretend to have the definitive answer to you thought but I would like to throw some things your way and see if any of this might give you something to chew on, ne? 1.) Funakoshis' book (KARATE KYOHAN) says nothing about movement, and if you look at the pictures his stances seem very primitive, up-right and un- remarkable. He DOES however speak of the need to develop three cardinal skills ("light and heavy application of strength, expansion and contraction of the body, fast and slow movements in techniques" pg 40 ). If you think of mobility as ways of expressing these three skills maybe the half-moon step will take on new meaning. 2.) Nakayama in his book (DYNAMIC KARATE) again, does not speak to any special step but the half-moon step is diagramed in many of his movements. What he emphasizes is the smooth transition from one stance to another and the common point among all of these is the continual bringing of the feet together with the knees bent. If a transition is made from one forward stance to another the natural extension of this would be to scribe first one arc then another to produce --- you guessed it-- an in-and-out half-circle movement. 3.) Nishiyama and Brown ("KARATE") write in their book that one would want to step in a half-moon manner so as to protect the groin at least during forward motion ("...while moving leg forward, keep it close to the inside to avoid exposing the groin to attack.") I have always found this comment interesting as the genital area was identified in the BUBISHI as one of the "seven forbidden targets". Buddhist beliefs follow that should one need to use violence it must be Just in that it not exceed the damage done to oneself. The "fobidden areas" were identified as those places which, when struck, readily induced damage out of proporation to the average altercation. Funny that one would need to worry about protecting ones' groin when people in the culture are not suppose to target there. Of course, that does NOT discount the idea of finding oneself confronted by an individual who is NOT a practicing Buddhist, yes? ;-) Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "John Wallace" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] U.S. taekwondo team stuns world's number one, Korea Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:36:07 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Any idea what the match formats for the Karate competitions were? I'm assuming some sort of "point-sparring"? I really wanted to go to this thing...11 mo old baby's teething though. -JW -----Original Message----- From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:33 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] U.S. taekwondo team stuns world's number one, Korea > ---------- > From: Ray Terry[SMTP:RTERRY@IDIOM.COM] > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:32:47 AM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] U.S. taekwondo team stuns world's number one, Korea > Auto forwarded by a Rule > > How did that work? Did Korea so thoroughly dominate other matches that they > scored enough points to edge USA? There were four sessions and one 'special event, free' over three days. The entire Games were to be run like the Olympics to give the athletes a chance to experience what they are like. Large crowd, multiple events being held at once, lots of noise and distraction, etc. In TKD, USA vs. Japan was held in session 2. Japan vs. Korea in session 3. USA vs. Korea in session 4. Interestling, Karate was held as a demo sport with USA and Mexico fighting twice. USA took the Team Gold. I didn't see any of those sessions. In Judo the teams there were Mexico, China and USA. In wrestling the teams there were Russia, Cuba and USA. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/2003 --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Jeffery Dean Sr." To: Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:47:36 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 46 year-old high kicks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bill "help me overcome a big hurdle -- high kicks", I started training in Tang Soo Do in June of 2001, at the age of 39, and I was about 125lbs overweight. At that time a high kick to me was waste high. I have lost about 50lbs in the last 7 months and my crescent kics and front snap kicks are about level with my jaw ( i am six foot tall). I have also raised my round kicks and side kicks to about chest high. The secret, daily stretching exercises and patients. Tang Soo Dean Sr. --__--__-- Message: 14 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:34:45 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Chemical Weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For a good common sense article on chemical weapons and the terrorist threat: http://www.burrese.com/Self_defense/Self_Defense_Articles/Chemical_Weapons_Red_ Thomas.html Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 01:12:08 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] words of wisdom Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <>> Very well said, I think many people forget this... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 16 From: "Andrew Pratt" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:24:15 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dragon Times Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mark, You wrote: > There is an article in Dragon Times Vol.23 entitled "The Truth About Tae Kwon Do- An Historical Appraisal" by Robert Dohrenwend Ph.D. (I thought it was very well written) Evidently this is part 2 in a series of 3 articles with the 3rd part due in Classical Fighting Arts Vol 1. (vol. 23 of Dragon Times is the last issue, it will change names and format into Classical Fighting Arts Vol. 1) < Sounds interesting. Is there a website I can go to order the issues (I am in Korea an Dragon Times isn't normally available)? 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