Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:31:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #104 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Choson-Do_Stuff_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 2. PCL (Charles Richards) 3. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Follow-up_on_my_follow-up_on_my_follow-up?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 4. HoShinSul Training (Dewitt, Garrett) 5. Re: Tibetan Gopher Throwing and Cat Herding (Danny Dodge) 6. Re: Hi (Braeswood Martial Arts) 7. Seminar styles (J.R. West) 8. Early? Hapkido (Patrick L) 9. covering seminar costs (Ray Terry) 10. Use of a distraction technique (Tom Kennelly) 11. 2003 Pan Am Games Open Qualification Tournament (fwd) (Ray Terry) 12. Self Defense (Ellen P) 13. Re: Self Defense (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:46:03 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Choson-Do_Stuff_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ian: "....thank you for mentioning me and my organization, however, Choson Kwon Bup (formerly Chosondo) has been in existance since 1850. The Chosondo Sa Hoe (Society) was organized in 1958. I re-named the organization "The International Chosondo Federation", changed the art's name from Chosondo to Choson Kwon Bup, and totally revamped the curriculum. I am sorry if this seems like a plug, but I wanted to set things straight. Thank you....." It really helps when folks do this kind of clarification. Thanks for helping to keep me straight on this. I think what I was responding to was a comment that you had made sometime back about the changes that you introduced. I had gotten the impression that you had left your teachers' school and had started your own organization after re-organizing the curriculum as you mentioned. Perhaps I have the time frame confused, in which case perhaps an apology is in order. I had construed from your earlier post of some months back that your establishing an organization of your own had been a relatively new event. Remembering the issues that I ran into with GM Myung when I sought to modify his teaching approach to reflect a more western-style teaching model, how was it that you didn't stay with your teachers' organization and work to make changes within the context of your teachers' organization? I know this can be a kind of uncomfortable subject. What I was thinking was that we had quite a few posts earlier on the manner in which KMA seem to splinter almost as a function of their culture. From this view perhaps it would be enlightening for someone of your standing to share the motives that caused you to split from your teacher and start your own organization rather than work within the context of an existing and known framework. FWIW. BTW Does the original organization ("Choson-Do Sa Hoe") still exist? Can you give a bit of insight into how its leadership is organized and who hold the positions of authority? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:11:42 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] PCL Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Regardless of what happens with these plans, I will forge ahead with the plans I had in the works before we began this discussion. I need to do this, because I have to fill the needs of NKMAA members. <> Pay attention folks, if we learn nothing else on the DD-list, this is what principle centered leadership is all about! <> I am savy enough to know that it will be a long haul to make it anything like JRs Jackson event. It is no different than having the patience and determination to work for a deserved black belt or Masters degree, so I am used to it:) <> Respectfully, I patiently put by first determined steps in your and GM West's footprints and begin my first mile.... And so it is, Charles R. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:01:44 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Follow-up_on_my_follow-up_on_my_follow-up?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Rudy: "..... The college is a great idea. I have done several similar thing at the LSSUniversity, and they usually have insurance to cover a school activity. As the Sec. Treasurer of the LSSU student senate, I was able to get truly amazing deals. They also did the lodging thing during the off season. Your connections might do wonders there....." Just a side note, if I may and perhaps some additional information to folks who might consider what I posted earlier. At the college at which I teach we use the "mat room" through the courtesy of the Aikido group on campus who have been in existence for some 20 years or more. Its is a beautiful room with a sprung-floor mat and very tastefully decorated. However the maximum number of individuals that could comfortably work-out in that room would absolutely be no more than 30. That said the campus also has the gym, of course, however it is essentially a basketball gym with a typical wood floor. In that case matting would need to be found which is always an extra logistic battle. The same would hold true if such an event would be handled in, say, a HOLIDAY INN conference room (you know-- the type that have the folding walls that split it up into smaller venues). There is also the matter of using another part of the campus not usually associated with Phys Ed type activites such as the Fine Arts center with its many smaller meeting rooms. Still one would need to do something about matting for those who would want to do activities that take a person to the floor. Along these lines there is also a very fine Aerobics Room over at the gym on campus which, again, is not as large as the gym but is easily twice the size of the Mat Room. In this case, the room has a sprung floor and many mirrors, but I am guessing most people would still want mats on the floor just the same. I share all of this because in selecting an area for the sort of events we are discussing I think it is important to keep an open mind about various space alternatives and their relative merits and short-comings as one plans these things. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Dewitt, Garrett" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:33:49 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] HoShinSul Training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael wrote: "It seems that the general opinon is that unless your instructor taught you exclusivly Hapkido what you learned was not Hapkido but Ho Shin Sul. I have known a couple of Hapkido Masters that in the early days of teaching (1970's) had a hard time getting students for Hapkido. However they had no trouble getting students to learn Korean Karate (Tae Kwon Do) Now these instructors were qualified in both Hapkido, Taekwondo, and Judo having graduated with honors from the Korean Judo College (I know the name has changed now)." Hello Michael. I remember living these "early days" for Hapkido and TKD. One of my former Grandmasters, Chung Lee, was doing this exact thing. Your words sure brought back the memories. It seems that I am "hitting" the floor just as much now with the NKMAA seminars as I did years ago with Grandmaster Lee. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:29:41 -0600 From: Danny Dodge To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Tibetan Gopher Throwing and Cat Herding Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, Just thought I'd come out of lurk mode and make a suggestion and pass on a humorous experience. I work nights at the local Wally World while I'm working towards my Admin. of Justice/Law Enforcement degree and thought you would all enjoy this rather humorous experience. About 3:00am last Saturday morning I took a quick break to use the restroom. Well at this time of the morning on a Saturday we get some rather "choice" individuals coming in to our store. As I entered the restroom there is a rather large, drunken gentleman standing at the sink and he is loudly talking to his friend who is in a stall making room in his stomach for more of whatever refreshment it is they have chosen to imbibe in this morning. As I step to the urinal to take care of business the large gentleman say's to his friend. "...Yeah, he's trained in some Tibetan form of martial art!" Well the words "Tibetan Gopher Throwing" immediately come to mind and I loose it completely. As I'm standing there laughing rather loudly and trying to keep my pants dry I notice that the large gentleman is no longer talking and despite restroom etiquette is staring right at me. Lucky for me I think he was to drunk to think quickly and I had time to wash up and get out of there before he tried to give me a "swirly". I would just like to say that I never thought that Tibetan Gopher Throwing would ever prove to be a threat I'd have to defend myself from but I guess you never know when you may need to use your MA skills. As for Cat Herding I've found that the sound of an electric can opener seems to work best in that endeavor. Danny Dodge --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hi Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:23:09 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Welcome to the DD Mario... Kat Houston , Texas USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Lipcajt" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:30 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Hi > Hi, > > my name is Mario.I practice WTF taekwondo and I am 3rd.dan. I have my school in Belgrade,Serbia. I want learn more about self defence and if someone want to help me let me write. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "J.R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:13:20 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Seminar styles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > First off for GM West. When you conduct your seminars > > is it strictly HKD people or do you allow other KMA to > > instruct as well? Initially, all the instructors were my "in-house" 4th and 5th dan students, so we taught only HapKiDo because that was all we knew, but many years ago, a Japanese friend of mine volunteered to come down and teach a "punching and closing distance" class, something Shotokan players are relatively adept at, and his class was a huge hit, so little by little, I would invite my senior KMA friends to come and share their knowledge with all the HapKiDo players. Guys like Masters Rich Hodder, Geoff Booth, Dennis McHenry & Rudy Timmerman became regular parts of the program, along with my own students like Masters Hilland, Allison & Lyons, Mr. Joseph Borucki, Mr. Mike Kuns and many other USKMAF instructors. Now we have classes that cover a broad range of KMA topics including strikes, kicks, locks, throws, pressure point manipulation, weapons and even Korean Language instruction for those that have an interest, and there is always a TKD function and a TSD clinic held on the Friday of the seminar. That being said, all of our instructors are either USKMAF members or heads of affiliate organizations, but there is a LOT of knowledge there, and video cameras are always welcome (we can sell the two or three that seem to be left after every event).......J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:08:42 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Early? Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Rowe and others, I would like to share my memories of the 70's as they are somewhat different than Mr. Rowe's. Mine are from the Los Angeles Area from 1968 on . First, is that there were VERY few Martial Arts schools, of any kind in the 70's. Second, Taekwondo had no more name recognition than Hapkido, they were both unknown, until "Billy Jack" 1971. BTW it was NOT the Hapkido that made this film popular. Until approx 1966 TKD's kicking repertoire consisted of Front, side, inside and outside crescent (and perhaps RH and back kick) ONLY. The addition of Taekyon kicks to Hapkido in the early 60's? spurred competition with Taekwondo, and the Taekwondo kick repertoire has expanded. Whether someone is teaching Ho Shin Sool or Hapkido, is IMO based upon instruction of the philosophy of motion (the three principles), and the rank in Hapkido, minimum third degree, of the instructor. In addition, the technique taught should be rooted in Jui-Jitsu, specifically avoiding Judo sport style applications. Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:06:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] covering seminar costs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ... and video cameras are always welcome (we can sell the two > or three that seem to be left after every event).......J. R. West Leave it to Gm West to come up with the best idea yet for ways to cover the cost of hosting a large seminar. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Tom Kennelly" To: "dojang" Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:21:10 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Use of a distraction technique Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Is the use of distraction techniques basic to Hapkido? In other words, is the need for a distraction technique generally required for some Hapkido techniques to work. Just for the sake of clarity suppose someone has grabbed you on a one hand. Do you need to distract before applying a joint lock or other technique? The purpose of this question is to determine the need for and the effectiveness of distraction techniques in Hapkido. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:44:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] 2003 Pan Am Games Open Qualification Tournament (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: This is the information for the Pan Am Open Qualification tournament. For this tournament, there will only be onsite registration. There will be no early registration, due to the lack of time for athletes to get the information to my office. Questions, please contact Betsy in the National Events office - ustuevents@mailsnare.net 2003 Pan Am Games Open Qualification Tournament General Information: Eligibility: 1. All competitors must be a 2003 United States Taekwondo Union Competitor Member. 2. All competitors must be US Citizens. Proof of citizenship is required with each registration. A copy of the athlete's birth certificate or passport will be acceptable documents for proof of citizenship. A social security card, driver's license or military ID card are not acceptable forms of proof of citizenship. 3. All competitors must be black belt certified. Proof of Black Belt Certification is required with each registration. Competition Rules and Regulations: The current US Taekwondo/WTF Rules and regulations will govern the open qualification tournament. Time Limits for Sparring Competition: Competition Category Number of Rounds Time Limit Rest Period Men & Women Elimination 3 - 2 min - 30 sec Men's Semis/Finals 3 - 3 min - 60 sec. Women's Semis/Finals 3 - 2 min - 60 sec. Mandatory Equipment All competitors must bring their own safety gear including the following: WTF-Recognized Dobok and Mandatory Safety Equipment a) All contestants must wear WTF-approved Taekwondo V-neck uniform (Dobok) -Only the state name will be allowed on the back. Only USTU patches and USA Flags are allowed on the uniform. Brand name labels are also acceptable b) No sport goggles will be allowed during the Sparring Competition. c) Mandatory Safety Equipment required for all Sparring Contestants: 1. USTU-approved Forearm Guard 2. USTU-approved Shin Guard and instep protector 3. USTU-approved Headgear (White, Red or Blue only) 4. USTU-approved Trunk Protector (1 w/Red Markings; 1 w/Blue Markings) 5. Protective Cup for Males and Females (worn inside the pants) 6. Mouthpiece **Headgear and chest protectors will NOT be provided** More information and an application form is available on the What's New Page of the USTU website - www.ustu.org/whatsnew.shtml ************************************************************** US Taekwondo Union One Olympic Plaza Ste 104C Colorado Springs, CO 80909 --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:24:09 -0800 (PST) From: Ellen P To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Self Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Listen to your intuition, instinct, common sense or whatever it is that tells you when something is wrong... 9:30pm Tuesday night after TKD class, I'm almost to my garden-style apartment building when I notice two men who *look out of place* walking down the sidewalk in front of my building. I stop walking and just observe everything (I'm across the street). They both slow down and watch me watching them. I wasn't sure what to do, I only just knew they didn't fit into the surroundings and that they were giving me the *creeps*. I waited until they were far enough away and continued into my building, but I notice they kept looking back at me (it almost felt like they were checking to see if I was still watching them). So I assumed they could have possibly been car thieves or something of the sort since we've had a lot of car break-ins lately, etc. Once inside, I call the non-emergency local police number and explained the situation. I was told that since I didn't witness the men actually doing anything, it was a non-issue, there's nothing that could be done. So I tried to forget about it. This bothered me a lot, so today I decided to actually go to the police station in person on my lunch hour and talk to someone about what a person should do or who they should contact when a situation feels suspicious. I gave an officer all the details of what I saw. About an hour after I left the station, the officer called me to explain that 14 minutes after I called the non-emergency police number on Tuesday night, a women in my apartment complex was held up at GUNPOINT by two men who fit the description I gave earlier and he wanted to talk with me again about the details. After I met with him, he told me how lucky I was and to 'continue whatever it is you were doing that night' because the bad guys didn't pick me as their 'victim'. YIKES!!! Another lesson learned to listen to the 'small voice' inside you that tells you when something isn't right. Sorry for the long story - I just felt the need to vent about it to people who would understand! Ellen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Self Defense To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:20:42 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Sorry for the long story - I just felt the need to > vent about it to people who would understand! Excellent story, great lesson for all. Thanks for sharing it! Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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