Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 03:01:49 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #110 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Three Principles of Hapkido (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 2. Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #105 - Distraction tecniques needed to do HapKiDo (ramon Navarro) 3. Hapkido & Groundfighting (Brooke Thomas) 4. Distraction techniques in Hapkido (Tom Kennelly) 5. TGT's older history and Ray's rank (tkd Texan) 6. Hapkido Grappling (FirstPe315@aol.com) 7. MA Regulation (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 8. Curriculum (Tim Gregorini) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 03:09:35 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Three Principles of Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig said: << A couple of recent posts in regards to Hapkido have mentioned the "Three Principles". Would someone care to expound on this a bit? >> www.kimshapkido.com/articles.htm Check out the article on the three principles of Hapkido from Black Belt Magazine Jan/01. It was written by my instructor, Master Steve Petermann of Jang Mu Hapkido. Sharon --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 06:11:12 -0800 (PST) From: ramon Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #105 - Distraction tecniques needed to do HapKiDo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi 'SEXTONR003'and be blessed. About the theme on HapKiDo if the distraction tecniques it is needed for the joint locks to work ? Not really ! When way back in the earlly 70's I was not able to continue TaeKwonDo after I returned from the school in the states back to Panama only the Koreans would do it besides the americans inside tha US army Base of Fort Clayton I found TangSooDo in the same plase. There and now, I mean, speaking of Korean martial arts and also in general. in combat situation you can not use in a simple mode use distraction in the street as you can and can become in the tournaments. Also one tends to learn some type of distraction tecnique as one learns the self defense portion os the class. In HapKiDo, when I sow it the first time, being a Black Belt in both TaeKwonDo and TangSooDo, I sow the fluidity to de naturalnes of these art that now a days I have been teaching it for 26 years. The basics of the nature of HapKiDo techniques is like I read Masters : michael tomlinson, Chris LaCava and others will say; there is no need to use those distraction techniques if you have used the right aplication on the techniques. on of these aplications is the steping, other is the non-strength ues on them and other is the fluidity to the technique. I want to ad that the timing to the right momment of use can be more important. If you are mixing other art with HapKiDo then concentrate on these prinsiples that I and pthers comment. If you are doing total HapKiDo and need to use distraction techniques it could be becouse of diferent reasons. (here in Panama we say when we talk of the main thing or person to mention it last or as it really is : when talk menton the donky last !) 1- the teacher learned incorrectly, 2- he learned a mixture that now is being tohought as a natural way it needs the use of distraction to work, 3- He learned that HapKiDo that (with everyones respect) has AiKiDo mixture and prinsiples (I gues) or the teacher is a good technitian but does not really know how to transmit it. Wich ever of this is what is hapenning to you the important things are 2 things 1/ that you like it 2/ that you take advantage of other experiesed people to your learning advantage. Wich ever keep it up. HAP Ramon Navarro HapKiDo SabomNim SongMooKwan HapKIDo Panama City Panama ------------------------------------------------- 4. Distraction Techniques (SEXTONR003@hawaii.rr.com) >Message: 4 >From: >To: >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:57:26 -1000 >Subject: [The_Dojang] Distraction Techniques >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Tom wrote: > >"Is the use of distraction techniques basic to Hapkido? In other words, is >the >need for a distraction technique generally required for some Hapkido >techniques to work. > >Just for the sake of clarity suppose someone has grabbed you on a one hand. >Do you need to distract before applying a joint lock or other technique? > >The purpose of this question is to determine the need for and the >effectiveness of distraction techniques in Hapkido." > > >I personally think it is basic and even more important, it's fun! I've seen >Aikido guys thrust their hands toward their "opponent's" face to distract >them, however, I prefer a good swift low kick. If you think about it, even a >balance break is a distraction technique...or that gleem in your eyes and that >little smirk on your face cause you just know it can't get any better than >this! > > >Randall Sexton >www.LaughingHara.com _____________________________________________________________ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 09:45:44 -0800 (PST) From: Brooke Thomas To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido & Groundfighting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'll chime in here about our studio's view on groundfighting... For the last 3-4 years we have had a BJJ Instructor from Muchado come in every Sat for intensive instruction/grappling. The focus up to blackbelt is Hapkido (linage of Masters Jung Bai Lee to Steve Sexton to Fariborz Azhakh). After blackbelt, we add a complete curriculum of grappling into our training and all of our blackbelt classes end with at least 15 minutes of grappling. We have grappling seminars with guys like John Will out of Australia and Bas Rutten and others have been known to stop by (yes, name dropping but I am thankful for a good Master Instructor in Mr. Fariborz who makes sure we get exposed to great training). Obviously we put a lot of emphasis in groundfighting but it has been stressed to us to learn proper kicking and punching first. My two cents worth. Brooke Thomas Hapkido Blend --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Tom Kennelly" To: "dojang" Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:40:51 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Distraction techniques in Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I want to thank all who responded to my inquiry about the use of distraction techniques in Hapkido. Although there was not a consensus I was impressed with answers and their justifications. In addition, I must thank GM Timmerman for the sage advice. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "tkd Texan" To: Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 15:53:34 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] TGT's older history and Ray's rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tibetan Gopher Throwing (TGT) grew out of a local adaptation of advanced Hapkido techniques. I am of course referring to dan requirements for stone and knife throwing. It is my understanding that poor Tibetans in wintry .... Is part of the Dan requirements to make and use Gopher-chunks? Like in the 'Kung Pow' movie! chuncking away, John --__--__-- Message: 6 From: FirstPe315@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:50:29 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Grappling Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig- Our program is similar to Michael's. And although my original school didn't do a significant amount of groundfighting, we were pretty good. Mr. Garrison had a theory that stand-up and groundfighting locks and chokes were basically the same. This is basically true except for how you get into them. Staying relaxed, using angles, the "way" a joint is locked, staying in superior positions are all elements (necessary ones at that) to stand-up Hoshinsool. It works the same on the ground. However, having said that I, being ranked in Judo had done newaza for years with Judo guys and didn't have much of a problem. When I started training for extra practice when I went on my own with a highly skilled Brazilian JJ guy he totally amazed me at how quickly and efficiently he humbled me. He was FAR superior to anything I had dealt with and it helped me to understand that despite the above being true, it's not as effective as somebody who spends ALL OF THEIR TIME down there. So, spending a couple years with him and becoming stronger in Judo I have added a significant portion of groundfighting to my school's curriculum. The only difference is that certain Hapkido locks and chokes (which would be illegal in Judo) are included and it would look more like Brazilian JJ (in that any lock or choke is FAIR GAME). I agree with several of the posts that groundfighting naturally occurs at the higher levels because as takedowns and pins don't always worked (because there are counters to every technique and counters to every counter..infinity..) that this sort of exchange will naturally occur. I think it's best to have a stronger curriculum of this and I would agree that if there were any weaknesses to Hapkido (there aren't many), this would be it. Lastly, this doesn't mean that what some styles teach is not adequate to deal with most threats, but if many of you remember my philosophy, I don't train to deal with most threats but all threats. Despite the fact that there is a large repertoire of techniques to counter tackles, leg tackles, "shooting in" etc. if you do go down, you better know what to do. Jeff In a message dated 3/2/2003 2:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > My guys are Hapkido guys that train and grapple more like > submission or Jujitsu guys,,, > Michael Tomlinson > www.zdragon.bitbytenibble.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:59:08 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] MA Regulation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net S T A T E   O F   N E W   Y O R K                          _________________________________________________________                                                                                                                      4415                                                                                                                                               2003-2004 Regular Sessions                                                                                                                                       I N  A S S E M B L Y                                                                                                                                            February 13, 2003                                                                 ___________                                                                                                                    Introduced  by  M.  of  A.  STRANIERE  --  read once and referred to the          Committee on Higher Education                                                                                                                               AN ACT relating to requiring the commissioner of education to promulgate          rules and regulations for the licensure of  martial  arts  instructors          and schools                                                                                                                                                   THE  PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, REPRESENTED IN SENATE AND ASSEMBLY, DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:                                                                                                                                  1    Section 1. The commissioner of education is hereby directed within six     2  months of the effective date of this act to  require  the  licensure  of     3  martial  arts  instructors and of any school, institution, organization,     4  business or other entity which offers martial arts  instruction  and  to     5  promulgate rules and regulations necessary for such purpose.                6    S 2. This act shall take effect immediately.                      http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A04415&sh=t --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 20:38:34 -0500 From: Tim Gregorini To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Curriculum Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I currently train under the tutelage of GM Rudy Timmerman in the art of KONG SHIN BUP, and I noticed some folks are curious about our requirements to earn a black belt. I know that my Instructor is busy to get his duties done prior to leaving for Jackson next week, and I would be honored to assist GM Timmerman in providing a summary of the requirements necessary to test for a Black Belt. I am currently a Dahn Bo and just began the testing procedure to earn my black belt. I will need to test a total of four times, and (if all goes well) I hope to earn that rank this November. The following is a summarization of the requirements necessary for me to complete this test. To qualify for the test, I will have to complete all fitness requirements. The fitness requirements form a part of each test as the warm-up. Each belt has a varying degree of difficulty up to this level, and these requirements are more demanding as a student progresses. Fitness Requirements: 300 Jumping jacks, 300 Crunchies, 50 Burpees, 50 Fingertip push-ups (Starting on Thumbs and adding one finger each 10) 25 Push-ups on the back of the wrist 15 Push-ups - push-ups flipping from the palm jumping onto the back of wrist. (each set is one push-up) 75 Leg Scissors, 50 Single leg straddles, 25 Double leg straddles. Carry partner of similar weight around dojang in Kima Jah Seh (horse stance) Palms touching floor at feet (legs straight but not locked) Head on Knees (legs straight but not locked). Butterfly stretch with chin to toes or floor, Forward splits, Sideways splits * Mandatory "Power" camping week-end consisting of swimming, obstacle course, 12 foot (smooth) wall climb, distance run, rope climb and various team skills that promote camaraderie. Basic requirements: Etiquette (Yea Eue) must be observed at all times, 6 breathing movements (Ki Cho Jah Ki) performed an unspecified number of times, 10 Dan Jun Ki Bup breathing exercises, 23 different strikes (Soo Ki), with each strike performed 20 times - 10 each side, and 23 different kicks (Johk Sool), with each kick performed 20 times -10 each side. Hyung requirements 20 different Hyung (forms). Each form performed 4 times facing a different direction and completed without break. Three of the forms involve weapons (single Dan Bong, Double Dan Bong and Joong bong). Ho Shin Sool requirements: 200 techniques (25 of which involve weapons - specifically dahn bong and knife) complete with takedowns. Nak Bup requirements: 10 plus different falls. These falls must be performed from considerable height and length. Acrobatics: Two handed, One handed, elbow, and no handed cart wheels (aerial), front and rear summersaults (that may include breaking), and multiple hand springs the length of the Dojang. Kyuk Pah requirements: (A maximum of three attempts can be make for each break, and if any break is incomplete you fail the test. Total number of boards is 50, plus one 2" x 8" x 16" solid cement block. The breaks are specific hand or leg techniques, and all are in multiple boards. Some breaks are done over obstacles such as a flying side kick over (five minimum) kneeling people, and off the wall round kick rebounds. Pre-requisite Certification: requirements to be earned before the final Black belt test. Coaching Certification (in house or Canadian Coaching certification level one), Referee Certification (level one), First Aid Certification, CPR Certification, and Assistant Required Hours (minimum 100 hours). I trust I have covered the requirements to the satisfaction of your curiosity. Please feel free to contact me if you require further information. Sincerely; Tim Gregorini --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustutkd1@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest