Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 03:01:47 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #119 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: KHF website (ABurrese@aol.com) 2. Re: ACE cert (ABurrese@aol.com) 3. Re: Sport fights (ABurrese@aol.com) 4. going North!! (d.mchenry@juno.com) 5. RE: Gentle Hapkido (Ali Alnasser) 6. Re: Intellect, Intelligence, and Survival (Chris LaCava) 7. Re: Re: Kicking (Jye nigma) 8. Thank Ya (Charles Veuleman) 9. heading north east (rich hodder) 10. GM Chang, Gedo (J T) 11. Cranks and Porkchops (Burdick, Dakin R) 12. RE: Intellect, Intelligence, and Survival (Stovall, Craig) 13. Re: civilized hapkido (last time) (Stovall, Craig) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:58:56 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: KHF website Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, Thanks for posting the new web site for the KHF. I took a quick look, and it is legit. They still have a ways to go. They don't have the link to the Kangwando rep done yet, so no name or picture to verify with who I know in Kangnung. Video clip is of Oh Se-lim, but I didn't wait for it to load to watch it. Site says English is coming soon, which will be nice, then I don't have to have Yi-saeng help me with parts. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:01:44 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: ACE cert Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, Good luck with the ACE cert. They are probably the most recognized of the certifying bodies. Good organization. I was meaning to get certified by them too, but you know, little things like law school and such got in the way. My certifications are from the ISSA, which is also a good organization. I have passed the Certified Fitness Trainer and the Specialist in Martial Arts Conditioning courses through the ISSA. Adding to your education is always good, and the certs don't hurt either. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:26:12 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Sport fights Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, Your "sport fights" are what I call fights, vs. combat which is where someone wants to seriously hurt or kill you, in my column in the April Black Belt magazine. Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 4 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:29:37 -0600 From: d.mchenry@juno.com Subject: [The_Dojang] going North!! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Howdy Jere, I'm heading North, because unlike you, I'm a native Texan STILL LIVING IN TEXAS! I'm also lookin' forward to seeing my old friends (some really old) and meeting some new ones in Jackson. I'm departing from my normal kicking classes and I'm teaching hand techniques this time. See y'all this weekend! Mac ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Ali Alnasser" To: Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 13:53:35 +0900 (KST) Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Gentle Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Patrick L: > I'll agree with you on this point. Proper technique is always important. That's why we must practice and practice to obtain proper or good technique. However, once you have developed proper/good technique then it's pretty easy to break bones. After all, kids on the playground break bones all the time. I think perhaps it's more difficult to have the spirituality to restrain your physical ability to break a person's bone. Just my two cents... [TABLE NOT SHOWN] [TABLE NOT SHOWN][TABLE NOT SHOWN][IMAGE] --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 00:40:40 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Intellect, Intelligence, and Survival Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig, Amen from the brotha of a different mother in the front pew. :) I keep hearing that old saying "the right tool for the right job." For example: a back hoe and a gardening shovel. I am not using the back hoe to plant a daffodil bulb, just as I am sure as hell not using a grardening shovel to put in an in-ground swimming pool. Both do great jobs, but choose wisely on which you will use for a job. Same goes for what we learn in the dojang. Every circumstance will dictate different actions. The more we train, the more we know how and when to apply different levels of force. Now I wouldn't want to be in an art that is just "kill-em all" or all "love not war." That would be self defeating and would end up being more trouble than it's worth in the regular civilian world some of us live in. Hopefully we train hard enough to know the difference and are able to apply the difference when it hits the fan. Take care. Chris "from CT" LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:59:08 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Kicking To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My approach is different. I focus more on good controlled kicks, versus multiple kicks. This means, concentrating on correct form extremely slow kicks, maintaining good balance, building up endurance, focus and intense concentration, etc. then I go on to the usual fast kicks. Jye --- Richard Zaruba wrote: I have an interesting question for everyone > since the topic of kicking > came up. How many kicks do you expect from your > beginners, intermediate and > advanced students? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:03:03 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Thank Ya Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net JR WEST AND CHARLES RICHARDS Thank you for your replys to my post. Since we do not have to pack six foot staffs and all that foam gear, now my main decision is to whether to bring the Bull (My nice gas efficient Ford Taurus) or the T-dawg ( Isuzu Trooper 4X4, not so gas friendly). I am bringing about a half dozen old rubber knives for Ray to use in his seminars. Nathan's old lady will be with him, so turns out we can't get him sloshed and then take him out. We will be leaving about 8:00 or 830 friday morning, should be there around 1pm, navigate around the city to get a feel for it, and check in to the hotel. We will be staying next door to the main seminar site (we get a good rate at the holiday inn's because of employee affiliation). First seminar starts at 330 right? Can't wait. I asked Joe Dupaquier what to expect from you hapkido guys, he said 'go with da flow'. See ya'll friday. YITMA Charlie Veuleman ===== ------------------------------------- L. Charles Veuleman Natchitoches Karate Institute 204 Rapides Drive Natchitoches, LA 71457 318-356-7727 http://www.bluewavekarate.com ------------------------------------- --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "rich hodder" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:07:52 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] heading north east Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not many of us can say we are heading north-east to Jackson, MS and I find it funny that I am on Friday. Being a Colorado Mountain Rat (as opposed to a Tibetan Gofer) and finding myself, happily, in South-East Houston these days, I am looking forward to THE seminar. Gere, I will be arriving at about the same time as you. For those of you that don't know Master Hilland, just look for that Cheshire Cat grin, and introduce yourselves. Hope everyone has a safe trip. See ya'll in Ms, I'll be out back getting a grit off that tree. (is that where the snipes are too???) RichGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 06:06:26 -0800 (PST) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Chang, Gedo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello there, I was never a student of GM Chang, but I was good friends with one former student of his as well as another which now goes to our school. Both had very nice techniques. I have met GM Chang on a couple of occasions and have gone to his demonstrations when he used to have them. He has always presented himself as a very humble and nice gentleman. I also found him to be very open in discussing techniques and answering questions. Was you school in Illinois? If so where? I do know he has at least two functioning schools in Naperville, Illinois and Lombard, Illinois. Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:04:11 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Cranks and Porkchops Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net First of all, congratulations to Mark Gajdostik! It is always wonderful when we can again forget about the idiocy of politics and get back to training! John Wallace asked: Why don't you like the porkchop pads? I recently discovered them, and my wife is finally willing to hold a pad for me for round, hook and crescent kicks. My reply: I like them, but NOT when training for speed or power. The reason is that I noticed that students who did this for about ten years tend to have knee problems. Now, part of that problem stems from the time when they are not kicking properly (ie. hyperextending their knee) and I'm sure that some of the Olympic stylists will argue that proper kicking technique will not have the same difficulty. I would agree, but when I use the porkchops I use them to get the students working and often I will be working too, so I can't correct them as well as I would like. That said, I still have a ton of porkchop pads and still use them. I just use them differently. As Ray mentioned, I have them use them for controlled kicks (ie. about half power at most) and work much more on form. When we kick for power, we use the heavy pads, except for wheel or spinning crescent (where porkchops are very useful). Does that make sense? Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:23:35 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Intellect, Intelligence, and Survival Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I'll submit that it doesn't matter to the guy who just decided to rape and kill you (not necessarily in that order). <<>> Your brain is physical. Your mental activity is physical. Your body and it's processes are physical. In the end...it's ALL physical. Your "spirituality" will be small comfort against the objective reality of the transference of kinetic energy from the gang banger's brass knuckled fist as he repeatedly smashes your face from the mounted position. Why is this so hard to get? <<>> Please see Patrick's post about bones being hard to break. There's a very important lesson there...people are HARD to put down. Especially those who don't want to be put down because that would interfere with the plans they have for you. This is especially true of the type of person that makes a career out of victimizing others. Going back to my earlier post...yeah, I can subdue Skeeter pretty easily and not get into the "over kill" phase because he wasn't serious to begin with. A sweet little choke hold or a cross face will adjust his attitude with a quickness, and make him decide that maybe I wasn't worth the trouble after all. John Q. Carjacker, who's just coming off of a lovely 6 year stint as the Alpha Male of Cell Block 3, is going to be a wee bit harder to deal with. Ignoring the fact that his pastimes included trying to improve his 350 pound bench, making weapons out of tooth brushes, and using his sparkling qualities to recruit weaker personalities into his "sales and service" program...be assured that his mental and emotional structure has been conditioned in furnaces far hotter than the more "civilized" methods of meditating under water falls, and sweeping pebbles in a rock garden. This man's "fighting spirit" is not in question. So what am I saying? If it's "for keeps", and the competition is serious...then there's no such thing as "over kill". My friend, you had better swing for a homer and pray for a double. Mike Tyson had a great saying (how appropriate that we should take advice from thugs in these matters)..."Everybody has a plan until they get hit". To which I'll add Stovall's Rule #42..."Everybody thinks they're in control until they feel the pavement against their cheek, and their legs start getting numb". If you can stop him without hurting him...you da man. Personally, if I get the drop on him, I'm gonna run his head into the fire hydrant. Craig Stovall President, Conan of Cimmeria School of Conflict Resolution Our Goal: "Crush the enemies, see them driven before us, and hear the lamentations of the women". --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:01:39 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: civilized hapkido (last time) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. Where we differ is in the definition of "properly handle". My definition of "properly handle" does not include any compassion for his or her well-being. My survival is the goal. Living up to some perverted (read: intellectualized) ideal of what makes a great technical martial artist is not the goal. <<>> And if he kills you, you won't be needing that retirement fund after all. You're just making up absolute statements based upon some artificial ideal. Here's two approaches to a violent attack (not a fist fight on Pizza Hut parking lot). Intelligence: I want to live...I want to see my family again...I want to stop this person from killing me...there are no rules...survival is the goal...objective reality is the environment. Intellect: I want to be a "good martial artist"...I want people to see me in a certain way...I want to stop this person with "good technique"...I will play by rules because it's the civilized thing to do...living my ideals is the goal...subjective reality is the environment. That's the way I see it. But, maybe I need to shave my head, sell my belongings, and wrap up in an orange robe. Craig "Walk Softly and Carry a Concealed Weapon" Stovall --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustutkd1@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest