Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:24:04 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #128 - 18 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Korean customs (Ray Terry) 2. Re:salute (K. Barends) 3. Re: School rules (K. Barends) 4. (no subject) (Robin Hebert) 5. Re: which way to roundhouse (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 6. Riot (Rudy Timmerman) 7. New Guy (DPRYGA) 8. pictures (amanda gaither) 9. Etiquette (Rudy Timmerman) 10. Korea History (Ray Terry) 11. (no subject) (Robin Hebert) 12. Tae Gyun (Ali Alnasser) 13. Re: salute (Michael Whalen) 14. Chambering the Kick (Rudy Timmerman) 15. Seminar Invitation (Rudy Timmerman) 16. Welcome (Ray Terry) 17. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Roundhouse_Kick_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 18. Re: Round Kick (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:59:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean customs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Korean Customs - In General * You will see teenage men walking in the street with their arms around each other's shoulders and teenage girls walking hand-in-hand. This means nothing more than intimacy. Touching close friends while talking to them is perfectly acceptable in Korea. Koreans will touch any children to show their warm affection. This is a compliment to let the child know how cute he is. Bumping into other people while passing is acceptable unless you shove them offensively. * Take off your shoes when entering someone's home. There is usually a shelf or ample space for every guest's shoes. * The family is the most important part of Korean life. In Confucian tradition, the father is the head of the family and it is his responsibility to provide food, clothing and shelter, and to approve marriages or moves by family members. The eldest son has special duties including first his parents, then his brothers from older to younger, then to his sons, then to his wife, and lastly to his daughters. Family welfare is much more important than the individual. * There are many family rituals tied to Confucian tradition. You might see a string of dried red peppers hung across an entrance to a Korean home. These signify the birth of a boy within a week. * Because 60 years is considered a cycle in the Asian Zodiac, a large birthday celebration is held for those who turn 60 years of age. In the past, living to the age of 60 also exceeded the average life expectancy in Korea. It is also an age when a man can retire and let his sons support him. * The number four is considered unlucky. It is treated the same way as the number 13 in western countries -- no 13th floor, etc. This stems from the Korean syllables derived from Chinese characters. Two of those, four and death, are pronounced the same - sah. * Writing a person's name in red ink is tantamount to saying they are dead or will die soon. * Large outdoor markets can be found throughout Korea. Spirited bargaining goes on as the buyer hopes to pay the lowest prices for food, clothing, shoes, and cooking supplies. * In Korea, the surname (family name) is given first. First names are seldom used in addressing another because of the social hierarchy established by Confucianism. Addressing a person by title or position is most correct. These include sunsaengnim - teacher or paksa - doctor. Individuals who have achieved this title are given high respect because highest respect is deserved for scholars in the Confucian tradition. * While women are not as secluded at home as they once were, it is still unusual for women to join their husbands for a night on the town. Many women are earning university degrees, but the care of the family is still considered most important. * Gift giving is an important part of Korean tradition. Gifts might be given to cultivate a personal relationship, before conducting business, or to encourage aid from someone in a position above. A return gift or favor is usually expected. Koreans seldom open a gift in public. The recipient may put your gift aside without opening it in consideration of not to embarrass you at the smallness of the gift. They'll open it if you politely ask them to. Article by Ted Rubenstein of the Sigma Institute. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:18:50 +0100 From: "K. Barends" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:salute Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have asked this before on DD but got NO responses so I'm gonna try it > again.... > Does anyone know the Korean term for "salute"?? > In some TKD dojangs, upon entering the training area, students salute > the > flags by bringing their right hand over their heart and then return it > to > their side before bowing. I've seen it done with the hand both opened > AND > closed. According to http://www.kordut.com/ it is: Insa (@N;g) But to my knowledge 'insa' is also the term used for 'greeting'. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:23:48 +0100 From: "K. Barends" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: School rules Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Also, does anyone know the proper Korean term(s) for "School Rules" or > "guidelines"? You gotta love this http://www.kordut.com/ website. Rules in Korean is: gyu chik 1TD" So 'school rules' would be something like; kwan gyu chik 0|1TD" PS. The romanization I used is probably wrong. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Robin Hebert" To: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:06:26 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Looking for TSD Forms I'm new to the digest. A 2nd Dan in TSD, formerly of the WTSDA...left along with my instructor two years ago for political reasons. My husband, Brian and I have a small "dungeon dojang" in a church in Dover, NH. We both work full time, and have 5 classes a week at the dojang. Two of our 4 children were promoted to 1st Dan last fall, the youngest (7) was just presented with her 6th Gup Green! We just love TSD! We have started to learn some Hyungs....Ki Bon and Chil Sung, but have been unable to find them in written form. I searched through old DD's for KiBon, but only came up with one entry. We've been taught 5 Ki Bon's, but are writing down the moves ourselves. We are up to 3 of the Chil Sung forms (Il Ro, Ee Ro and Sam Ro are all in GM Kang Uk Lee's book) but we want to find the remaing four. Wondering if anyone out there would have any references to these forms, or any idea as to where to look. We thought we had found a book on Amazon.com with the Ki Bons, but then couldn't find it again. It's been great reading all of the entries about this past weekend, sounds like it was a wicked good (Yes, I am a New Englander!) time, and we're contemplating getting involved, but are hesitant to join any large associations, due to our recent bad experience. Looking forward to hearing from someone re: the hyungs and continued reading of the digest. It's awesome to read notes from so many people, all over, all with the same love of the MA! Tang Soo! Robin --__--__-- Message: 5 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:23:12 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: which way to roundhouse Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "1. Chamber the knee, with the hips open and the lower leg parallel to the ground.  Torque you hips so that the thigh moves through the center line and let the instep "flip" at the peak of acceleration.... 2.  As shown on Coach Han Lee's tapes.  Pick the knee up in front (like front kick chamber) and pivot on the standing foot as you kick from out to in (closing the hip).  Note this usually ends up with the lower leg 30 to 45 degrees from parallel with the floor." the way it was explained to me by my first instructor is that style is traditional, the second example is sport...and that is how i explain it to my students :) take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1-573-673-2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1-877-847-4072 --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:26:09 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Riot Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net JR writes: > Many thanx to Master Timmerman, > who apparently thinks that two sessions of imparting his wisdom isn't > enough, so he teaches after hours breaking techniques in the parking > lot, > which started the rumor around town that there was a late night riot > at the > Clarion Hotel. Sorry about that JR. I just wanted to do whatever I could to help out. We did it during the break, so I would not interfere with the other sessions. For the NKMAA members who did not make the trip, I hope you will make plans NOW for next year. It doesn't get any better folks! Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:35:16 -0600 From: DPRYGA To: Subject: [The_Dojang] New Guy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, My name is Dave Pryga and my wife Christy and I operate a health/martial arts club in central Wisconsin. I look forward to the exchange of information provided by this forum. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:34:45 -0800 (PST) From: amanda gaither To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] pictures Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Chris, The pictures that I or Bridget took for Charlie, Nathan, and I are posted on my webpage already and you are welcome to any of them. Also I have a few others of you that I did not put on there that I can stick on there for you if you would like. For anyone interested my website is linked off the offical site. Go to www.bluewavekarate.com and then click on my name under staff Amanda Gaither then click on the Hapkido link. Sorry your pictures did not come out!!! Amanda G --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:42:44 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Etiquette Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Charles writes: > The tittles are pretty much what Shin > Kwan Jang Nim taught me, except I never hear him use the last three. Hi Charles: As I stated in my earlier post about this, I also seldom use anything but kwan jang. Modesty is a virtue I hold dear, and I think it to be an important part of martial art training. Sounds like we are going to see each other again before too long, and I am sure you will have no problems making the new rank. With Master Mc Henry helping you with Wansu, and yours students nipping on your heels with breaking, it is a cinch:) Ray wrote another nice piece on traditional customs we still use in our school. I find it refreshing to see that some folks are still very much interested in that. Thanks Ray! Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:09:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Korea History Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net History of Korea A look back at the 5,000 years of Korean history reveals triumphs and tragedies, successes and struggles -- all of which have been instrumental in shaping the Korea and Koreans of today. It is unclear as to exactly when human habitation began on the Korean Peninsula, but the Korean foundation myth dates back to 2333 B.C. when Tan-gun, a mythical half-divine, half-human being, supposedly founded the nation from which all Koreans are descended, providing Koreans with a sense of identity as one people. It seems clear that it was during the Neolithic Age (c. 5000-1000 B.C.) that the nomadic tribes from the continent who were the racial and ethnic ancestors of the modern Korean people came to the Peninsula, although these original tribes intermingled with or were assimilated by other nomadic tribes who were to arrive from the continent later, particularly during the Bronze Age (c. 1000-300 B.C.). Countless tribal communities and alliances rose and fell until from 18 B.C. to A.D. 668, three highly centralized ancient kingdoms, Koguryo, Paekche and Shilla, emerged and flourished on the Peninsula. Shilla conquered the other two kingdoms to become the sole master of most of the Peninsula. To the north, some survivors from Koguryo established the kingdom of Parhae in 698, which lasted until the 10th century. The Unified Shilla period witnessed a brilliant civilization which achieved rapid developments in the arts, religion, commerce, education and all other fields. The Koryo Dynasty (918-1392) that immediately followed witnessed a flourishing of Buddhism which had arrived in Korea during the Three Kingdoms era. The period is best known internationally for its famous blue-green inlaid celadon pottery, arguably the finest in the world. It was also during this period that the world's first moveable type was developed. The year 1392 saw the end of the Koryo Dynasty and the establishment of the Choson Dynasty (1392-1910) by Yi Song-gye, later known as King T'aejo (r.1392-1398). In 1394, he moved the capital from Song-ak (present day Kae-song) to Hanyang (present day Seoul). Confucianism replaced Buddhism as the main ideological influence, and a rigidly structured, heirarchical social system evolved, dominating the kingdom for five centuries. Choson pursued a rigorous isolationist policy until the late 19th century, earning the nickname "the Hermit Kingdom." Korea's foreign relations were basically limited to China, and as its traditional patron and ally struggled in coping with the West and the rising might of Japan, Choson, already weakened by the increasingly inefficient bureaucracy, became vulnerable to exploitation and was annexed by Japan in 1910. Korea was finally liberated from Japanese rule at the end of World War II -- but only to become entangled in the fierce Cold War ideological conflict that led to the formation in 1948 of two separate states, the Republic of Korea in the south and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea in the north, divided along the 38th parallel. In 1950, North Korea launched an all-out attack on the Republic of Korea, triggering the Korean War, which raged until 1953. The devastating conflict was ended by an armistice agreement which established the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) that now divides the Peninsula. Reunification remains the long-cherished but elusive goal of all Koreans on both sides of the vigilantly guarded Military Demarcation Line. The fall of Communism in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe and the unification of Germany raised expectations in Korea that unification could be achieved in the not very distant future. Some apparent progress in promoting trust and cooperation between the two halves of the peninsula was made in 1991 and 1992, but the threat of North Korea's suspected nuclear weapons development program undermined such progress. Recent additions by the Korean Online staff: On June 13th, 2000, South Korean president Kim Dae Jung visited North Korean Worker's Party Chief Kim Jong Il. This astonishing meeting was the first time in 55 years that the leaders of the two nations had met. They talked of the possibility of reunification and arranged for an Independence Day (August 15th) gathering to reunite families separated by the Korean War. They plan to meet again in South Korea in 2001. Kim Dae Jung was selected as the winner of the 2000 Nobel Prize for Peace on October 13th. Article courtesy of the Korean Overseas Information Service. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Robin Hebert" To: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:44:27 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net re: Salute >Does anyone know the Korean term for "salute"?? Mr. Morgan, We use Kukgi Bae Rye for "Salute the flag", I've always been of the understanding that "Kukgi" (pronounced Koogi), was the word for salute. My Korean dictionary lists kyuchik as the translation for 'rule', and hakkyo or suop for 'school'. There is a website that will translate English into many different languages (Babel Fish), but it's not working for me today. Good Luck! Robin --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Ali Alnasser" To: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:43:16 +0900 (KST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Tae Gyun Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's an interesting website featuring the art of Tae Gyun. http://www.saetur.com/taegyun.htm [TABLE NOT SHOWN] [TABLE NOT SHOWN][TABLE NOT SHOWN][IMAGE] --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Michael Whalen" To: "dojang digest" Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:06:34 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: salute Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net James, please excuse my spelling . Kuk Ki Dihe Kyung Neh - salute/bow to the national flag Won Ki Dihe Kyung Neh - salute/bow to the association flag michael whalen KSWnut --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:07:53 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Chambering the Kick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Charles writes: > Question How do you do roundhouse kick and why? Why don't you do the > other way? Hello again Charles: I teach my students to use the second method in most kicks. Like you suggested, the front chamber does not tip off any consequent action (front kick, round kick, side kick, hook kick etc.). We also chamber this way, because it allows us to use the full impact of the pivot. At no time during the entire kick do we stop the action, because that would violate the "power theory" -- from the largest joint to the smallest joint, in order, without interruption. In the round kick, we always point the knee to the target, because the knee is a hinge type joint that will then naturally open toward the intended target. I encourage my students to stretch their hip joints, because without the proper stretch it seems too many students actually point the knee down in a high round kick. This is bad form that will no doubt result in pulled muscles or worse. We also use the top of the foot (or the toe kick) only from the front leg position to protect the small bones exposed with the top of the foot kick, and we use the ball of the foot for rear leg action because the ball of the foot can withstand more impact (it is constantly conditioned just by walking). The first method is used more as a fast jab, and the second would be like a power punch because of the extra travel. On a side note: the top of the foot is often conditioned when people crawl home after leaving the Canadian hospitality room, so the hardy folks who come visit us after the seminar can usually kick either way:) The other way: We don't do it the other way, because I feel the open leg (as in a doggie using the hydrant) leaves the groin exposed. Ofcourse everyone has his or her own theories, but that is what makes the world go round. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:28:26 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Seminar Invitation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone: I would like to extend a hearty welcome to anyone in range to visit with me during the following seminars. April 12. Brainerd, MN. For information contact Master Garrett DeWitt on the DD May 17. Sault Ste Marie, ON For information contact me at kwanjang@sympatico.ca June 28. Kitchener, ON For information contact me at kwanjang@sympatico.ca July 26. Houston, TX For information contact JKN Kat Kelly on the DD July 27. Chicago, IL For information contact me at kwanjang@sympatico.ca NKMAA will host Master Booth in Sault Ste Marie in August, date TBA Master Booth will also be in Minnesota on the August 16th weekend, and perhaps the NKMAA members there will want to have him drop by I have been invited to do a workshop for Master Booth in Australia in September September 26, Sault Ste Marie, ON free judging clinic and certification September 27, Can-am Classic tournament in Sault Ste Marie, ON. This is a fun tournament open to all practitioners who leave politics at home. September 28, Black Belt final test in Sault Ste Marie, ON November 15, Annual award dinner/dance and Black Belt promotion. All are welcome in any of the above events, and I will do my level best to assist anyone with whatever they would like to work on. Sincerely, Rudy W. Timmerman National Korean Martial Arts Association --__--__-- Message: 16 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:52:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Welcome Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Welcome to Dave and Robin... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 17 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:45:06 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Roundhouse_Kick_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Charles: ".....Question How do you do a roundhouse kick and why? ......" Examining the earliest forms from China, Okinawa and later Japan there are no kata which incorporate the Roundhouse Kick. This could suggest that the Roundhouse Kick is a relatively new technique to the Martial Arts of the Pacific Rim Countries. Taek Kyon seems to have a roundhouse kick of sorts and uses it effectively to attack the head region, and Skip-in RH Kicks have been favorite techniques in martial sport for quite sometime. The Thai have used Shin Kicks---possible precursors to the RH Kick-- to damage or destroy an individuals ability to stand or counter-kick, and for quite sometime. Perhaps Japanese traders witnessed the effectiveness of the Shin Kick in SE Asia and brought the technique back to Okinawa with them. In my classes, I teach a Roundhouse kick as a sacrifice technique meaning that in a self-defense situation the RH Kick is executed only after a pre- emptive (read also "set-up") technique. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 18 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Round Kick To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:09:54 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > 1. Chamber the knee, with the hips open and the lower leg parallel to > the ground. Torque you hips so that the thigh moves through the center > line and let the instep "flip" at the peak of acceleration.... > 2. As shown on Coach Han Lee's tapes. Pick the knee up in front (like > front kick chamber) and pivot on the standing foot as you kick from out > to in (closing the hip). Note this usually ends up with the lower leg > 30 to 45 degrees from parallel with the floor. I first learned the roundhouse in TSD as #1 above. The standard drill was to place a folding chair just in front of the rear leg to force a proper chamber and kick. This made for a powerful, but somewhat slow (IMHO) kick. In my younger meaner thinner days I used to break boo-ku (a Korean technical term meaning many) boards in demos this was. Later I then learned a 45 degree roundhouse kick. The #1 roundhouse was still practiced, but the 45 degree roundhouse was the roundhouse most frequently used. 45 degree in that it was halfway between a front kick and a roundhouse kick. Much later I learned the knee forward on all (well, most all) kicks. The kicking leg knee moves straight forward into the chamber position. Front, side, round, axe, hook, etc kicks start from this position. Faster to the target and one cannot determine from that initial chamber postion what is coming next. Another roundhouse is kick #7 in Sin Moo Hapkido. When kicking high, use the typical instep of the foot as the striking area. When kicking to the knee or thigh (common peroneal nerve area) use the shin area of your leg as the striking area. This last form is similar to the muay thai roundhouse kick. If you get a chance, train a few months at the good muay thai school. Good training in boxing hand skills as well as the muay thai kicks, knees, and elbows. You may like'em and consider these skills a good addition to Moja Kwan... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustutkd1@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest