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Re: Bar Fight and Analysis or Lessons Learned (Jye nigma) 2. superman (rich hodder) 3. RE: HKD Seminar in Poland? (Piotr Bernat) 4. Niafanji (Charles Richards) 5. Re: RE: HKD Seminar in Poland? (Ray Terry) 6. Ken "King of the Watering Hole" McDonough (Stovall, Craig) 7. Dr. Covington- What's Up Doc (I did move) (Ken McDonough) 8. And another thing= worries about legal stuff ? (Ken McDonough) 9. Triple Impact Seminar in Denver (Michael Rowe) 10. Shooting Yourself in the Foot (Stovall, Craig) 11. Re: Striking first (Grant D. Watson) 12. Scenario Number 2= In the hospital right now ? (Ken McDonough) 13. Salute, etc. (Yarchak, Mary Kay) 14. Hackworth tapes (Beungood@aol.com) 15. Re: Salute, salutation, bow, pay respect (Denise Lee) 16. from the Korea Kido Assoc website (Ray Terry) 17. list 'o links (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:51:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Bar Fight and Analysis or Lessons Learned To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Because the martial arts is or should be a part of life, we develop or sharpen certain skills, and that should give us a tactical advantage over our opponents. When someone is acting up, we should have adequate training to assess the scenario and decide which course of action to take. So in the bar someone is acting a fool, you can avoid a potential altercation by moving, respectfully talking to the person, or 'seeing' that this person seems to be acting a fool and then stay away from that individual. *When you go anywhere you should always visually scan the area. Practice looking for all exits, and looking at everyone. I've practiced it so much it has become 2nd nature. So let's say you move and this person still wants to mess with you, depending on the person's situation (intoxicated) you can decide if you are just going to fight, fight to the death, or just bruise a man's ego. Bruising a man's ego is usually what I do to show offs. I use knowledge of pressure points and do the most simple movement that will cause major pain to make the guy scream like a girl. But let's say you're in a bar where this guy has been drinking, and has a potential to be quite dangerous. I would stay calm, and intercept his attack with the most destructive of techniques. Now if you get the best of him and he's out for the count or immobilized, get you stuff, friends, etc., and get the hell out of there. There was a fight in a bar in OH some years ago and the guy who lost left the bar, came back opened the door and let off some shots, and an innocent guy got shot. So always remember, nowadays, people can't take a good butt kicking. I know this first hand, as I had been on the streets involved in the gang lifestyle and know how big revenge is. you can best believe if that guy can't get revenge his friend's will try. So fight, be accute, destructive, and leave. Jye __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "rich hodder" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:09:32 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] superman Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray (oh great grand poobah of the DD) Terry, of course it is mighty mouse, have you seen me stand next to GM's West and Timmerman, I would have to be mighty mouse, or super flea, or perhaps underdog. But Mighty Mouse has the best song ;) RichGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Piotr Bernat" To: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:22:43 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: HKD Seminar in Poland? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Hi Piotr... Gm Ji has probably just wrapped up teaching a Sin > Moo Hapkido seminar there in Poland. Just wondering if you or any of your friends > attended, and hopefully survived, the seminar..?? This is news to me. Being active on the major MA forums here, and an avid reader of all possible MA magazines published in Poland (not a very big achievement since there is only a handful of them) I never saw any info regarding GM Ji`s seminar. Either the advertising was extremely poor, or somebody wanted to have a "classified" event... ;) I`m not sure if the problem isn`t in spelling... I`ve heard about GM Ji`s seminar in HOLLAND (Netherlands), and not Poland. Maybe this is the event we speak of? ;) Piotr Bernat www.dan.swidnik.com.pl --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:30:04 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Niafanji Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> I do both. For those who know all 3, I like to have them practice it as one single form. In fact, I required Mindy to perform it as one hyung during her 3rd Dan test. I believe Funakoshi loved doing it as one form and called it Naihanchi-O. For lack of a better term, that's what I call it when I perform it as such. <> Dear Bruce, My mentor and I are very close in thought.... Anyway, I practice Naifanji-O and sometime do another set just standing in Horse stance (no steps) and another seated. But most frequesntly I do my Hyungs in Rank order in one of two ways Day One ---I Dan----- Passai Naifanji-I ------II Dan---------- Jindo Naifanji-II -----III Dan----------- Rho Hai Kong Song Koon Naifanji-II ------IV Dan--------- Sip Soo Sei Shan -----V Dan----------- Wansu Day Two Naifanji-O Wansu Seishan Kong Sang Koon Rho Hai Jindo Wansu again twice (or until I get it close to right) On days when I get to the dojang before students I may do one of the Naifanji's or Naifanji-o or Seishan to help me get warmed up and focoused. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: HKD Seminar in Poland? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:32:18 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I`m not sure if the problem isn`t in spelling... I`ve heard about GM Ji`s > seminar in HOLLAND (Netherlands), and not Poland. Maybe this is the event we > speak of? ;) Could well be. I may have read and heard it incorrectly. He returns to the States tomorrow... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:36:00 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ken "King of the Watering Hole" McDonough Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think the real lesson here is to meet your friend at a restaurant, or the mall next time. Seriously, this is the number one reason why I don't go to bars or clubs anymore. On top of the fact that I only have a drink about twice a year, bars and clubs are a good place to rub elbows with career @$$holes. I could go into the whole sermon about mixing alcohol with sexually frustrated males and how conflict usually arises out of that equation, but I figure we're all grown-ups and the truth of that well-worn observation is quite apparent. Now, Ken...don't take this the wrong way, but I was with you all the way right up until the point that you typed this: <<>> LMAO!!! Yeah, what exactly DID come over you my friend? Sounds like your capacity for tolerating B.S. came to a sudden and abrupt end at that point, and the reptilian brain decided to take over the wheel for a couple of miles. Oh well, I wasn't there and I didn't see the guy's body language or hear the inflection in his voice. It's not like they tell you when they're about to sucker punch you, so your instincts may have saved you a lot of pain and hospital bills. Then again, maybe he was just "playing the role", and offering to buy the guy a beer could have de-escalated the situation. Then again, maybe he was going to stab you right in the neck. Then again, maybe he was just having a bad day, and was looking to blow off some steam through his alligator mouth (which evidently wrote some checks that his hummingbird @$$ was not able to cash). Who knows, man? That's the reason why I don't go into the meat markets anymore. Nowadays, I take my liquor at the hiz-ouse, and if I get a hankering to whoop on somebody I drop Tekken Tag Tournament into the Playstation 2 (at which point my 10-year old niece beats the crap out of me). By the way, when you clocked him...was that with the 5 of Clubs, or the Ace of Spades? I'd like to point out another lesson in your story that kind of goes back to what I've been saying over my last few posts: <<>> Isn't that amazing? It sounds like he got the literal and proverbial snot beaten out of him, but he was still willing and able to play. Of course, that's real life. I know the Duke could always put 'em out with one punch, and Big Guido usually stays down after Steven Seagal sends 'em flying through the potato chip rack...but real flesh and blood humans (even wheezy smokers who take their breakfast in a gin bottle) have an AMAZING tolerance for punishment. Of course, being liquored up helps a lot too (another reason I don't go to bars...it's easier to beat up the sober librarian). The larger lesson is if it's "fer really real", then don't expect them to roll over and play dead even when you've just stomped a mud hole in their butt and walked it dry (forgive my Southern). Of course, Ken and other like-minded people understand this because they operate within the confines of objective reality. Craig "I've Never Been Hassled at Chuckie Cheese's" Stovall --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:45:26 -0800 (PST) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Dr. Covington- What's Up Doc (I did move) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dr. Covington: You comments were: <.. and therefore you initiated the fight. In court, you loose, pay the fine, or go to jail. Next time, with all the time you seemed to have had, perhaps the best thing to do would be to get up and move. Seems someone else in this story had something to prove.> Response: What's up Doc ? Please re-read the synopsis of the analysis. I indicated I retreated on three separate occasions. Also, as a non-practicing attorney I think there is something about not being about to retreat ? Or, feeling your life is in danger ? Certainly a menacing individual who approaches you with fists raised is not out to invite you for tea and biscuits ? Now, Dr. C, Monday morning quarterbacking is great and I would love to see you in action under the same conditions...and possibly out of an Ivy Tower or comfortably situated out of a nice office. Is your premise that if I withdraw from an area, retreat to the end of the bar, and then the individual invades my space with no opportunity to retreat (back to the wall), I started the fight ? Would not a court or jury view the aggressors actions as looking for a fight. Moreover, I rather pay the court fees than have my face kicked in ? Please re-read the analysis and note that I did move. Not being defensive, but there is often some liberal academic in the crowd who has little real life experiences but espouses unrealistic expectations of what the real world entails. Finally, the only thing I had to prove was to save my ass in a bad situation. The moral of the story is no matter how nice you are, sometimes you do have something to prove. To prove to get your ass out of a sling. Hey, I will bring you along as my mouthpiece next time and let you do the blabbing while I watch. Peace, Ken McD... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:10:06 -0800 (PST) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] And another thing= worries about legal stuff ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You know this "stuff" about, "Oh My God" in a court you would lose, "Oh God, are you legally in trouble..." or, "oh, wow should we invade Iraq ?" Thats the problem right there. Without ranting. But I will sligthly. When I was a young guy with flowers and beads in my hair and saying lets give peace a chance, I thought the same way. "Peace baby...free love..." Right ! Then I tried to talk myself out of a fight. Cause like the Honorable Dr. Covington, "Oh...walk away...you could be sued ?" And, what happened, I got my ass handed to me, a bottle over my head, and a nice broken jaw. That was 30 years ago. I don't like to revisit that memory. I prefer to retreat, then defend. Worry about the consequences later. Nothing to prove but getting out safely and quickly. Does martial arts teach us that or should we learn more verbal judo stuff ? Or both. Now, if all you worry about is the legal stuff first when you are threatened, don't worry about martial arts study. Yes, you use your training judiciously and correctly. But, nothing wrong with attacking first if your back is against the wall. I mean stay home and work on your etiquette and being spiritually in tune with yourself if you are worried about court cases. After all, if your spritually sound--no one will harm you ? That is just plain bad karma baby ! But, the reality is there are bad people. There are people who want to hurt you and you often can't walk away. You may try but you can't. That was the point I was trying to make. That even if you walk away from a situation some moron will follow you and will still attempt to make your life miserable. At that point I question if your mindset should be on worrying about legal implications or saving your ass ? For example, today I have no scars and I am not in the hospital with a broken jaw ? Which is the better route ? So, it is you trying to get out of a bad scene. Often lofty ideas don't make it in a cesspool reality situation. I say if you back is against the wall, you have attempted to retreat, and you are being menaced and provoked, and there are few options, make the first move...then get the heck out of the situation. Ah, I love a good plan when it comes together (source: The A Team) Ken McD... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Michael Rowe" To: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:40:40 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Triple Impact Seminar in Denver Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just got back this morning from Denver, Colorado where I attended a wonderful two day seminar hosted by Steve Materkowski. The seminar featured Grandmaster John Pellegrini, Master Carlson Gracie Jr. and Bapak Willem de Thouars a.k.a. "Uncle Bill". This seminar was spectacular! During the course of two days participant's brains were pumped full of information and techniques. GM Pellegrini covered aspects from Combat Hapkido that included Trapping, Escorting, Pressure Point Compliance, takedowns and finishes. Master Gracie shared with us many aspects of ground defense including, chokes, submissions, reversals, and takedowns from the perspective of ground fighting. Uncle Bill presented his Kuntao Silat to a captivated crowd. Aspects covered where Kuntao legs trapping entries, Shaolin Fist striking, as well as the Silat knife work. Overall the weekend was awesome as the infinite diversity of students and instructors in attendance were sharing skills and points of view as equals. Nobody felt pressured or intimidated by anyone else. If anyone of you gets the chance to attend next year's Triple Impact don't miss it. Even if you have problems with any one of the instructors the material presented by the others is just magnificent. Michael Rowe Dan Il Press --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:41:14 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Shooting Yourself in the Foot Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Oh, now that was just plain mean...but true. LOL!!! I have to admit that I LOVE to watch Capoeira being played between people that know what they're doing. It's definitely one of the most beautiful arts in the world. The athleticism of some of the players is just absolutely astounding. As far as its application as a fighting art...I'll let people make up their own mind. Craig "I Thought Jinga was a Party Game" Stovall --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:01:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Grant D. Watson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Striking first Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > .. and therefore you initiated the fight. In court, > you loose, pay the fine, or go to jail. Next time, > with all the time you seemed to have had, perhaps > the best thing to do would be to get up and move. > Seems someone else in this story had something to > prove. IANAL (I am not a lawyer, for you non-geek types), but IIRC one can strike first and still have the law recognize it as self-defense, provided the usual self-defense criteria are satisfied. Unfortunately, I can't go find a trustworthy reference since the only MA-and-law book that I own isn't that great. Anyone? ===== Grant D. Watson, __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:43:35 -0800 (PST) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cc: martialscience@topica.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Scenario Number 2= In the hospital right now ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Scenario Number 2. In the hospital and using a bed pan to go to the bathroom. Preface: Tongue in Cheek comment. Not true. Just an analogy of some sort. “Guys and Ladies. Hi. I am in the hospital right now. I was in a fight last Friday. I tried to avoid it. In fact, I walked away. But, this long haired creep came up to my table with a menacing look and he was gesturing like he wanted to hurt me. But I froze. All my martial arts training seems to have gone out the window. I don’t know why. I tried to reason with the ugly, long haired man who had evil intent on his mind. But, I listened to this guy on the Dojang Digest. Calls himself Dr. Vinne Gumbots ! In some of the seminars I took from him (he has a plethora of tapes and videos), he talks about worrying about legal ramifications first and your face and body second. On his tapes, sent via interstate commerce, he sez that even if you walk away and are then subsequently threatened, and are backed in a corner—you should not try to defend yourself. You know sort of like a Jesus symbol, turn the other cheek. Wait until you get slapped around and stomped on the floor. Then you can try some techniques, provided your not too wobbly and your jaw ain’t broke yet. So, I tried those techniques. Guess what ? I am on the second floor of the intensive care unit ! I tried to contact Dr. Vinnie Gumots, but he has a recording telling me he is in the Carribean. He sez if it is an emergency to contact his lawyers and they will represent me in court to collect for my body damage. Whaaaaaaa ! I am hurtin pretty bad. Whaaaaaa (crying). Do you think I should have followed Dr. Vinnie Gumbots’ advice ? Should I have waited to have my face caved in first, out of fear that I would lose in a court of law ? I am so confused right now. These tapes are like those real estate tapes those midgets were selling on late night TV a couple of years ago. I lost a fortune then, and now I am in traction for 6 months. I should have listened to Professor James and others who walk you through situational scenarios. You know, react appropriately, defend yourself and get out without too much damage. But, noooooooooooooooooo ! I had to listen to some liberal leaning guru who has a happy smile and is sipping on some margaritas while I am in the hospital. Damn, I am confused now. Why ? Cause I have to go to court anyway to get me those hospital bills paid up ? Anyway, send your cards and wishes to me. Don’t think I will be in the gym for awhile. Hugs (if I can bend my arms) Ken (the Chump) McD…” --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Yarchak, Mary Kay" To: 'Dojang Digest' Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:06:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Salute, etc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was taught as Ray said on this one: that ku ki refers to one's national flag. We have both an American and a Korean flag hanging at the front of our dojang and the person explaining it to me told me that, as we perform the hand over the heart motion, we salute our national flag but also pay respect to the country of the origin of our art, tang soo do. (I train in GM C.S. Kim's International Tang Soo Do Federation). We too use 'ku ki ba rae' to mean 'salute the flag'. Michael W., we use the term ba ro (as op. to ba rae) for 'stop'... but I have seen the same results of not heeding the command. Push ups, shoot the cannons, etc. may follow... MK --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:02:16 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hackworth tapes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 3/17/03 5:57:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > A complete set of VHS videos covering all rank requirements from 9th Geup > to 1st Dan are completed in English. The set has been reviewed and approved > > by the Executive Board of Directors for the Korea Hapkido Federation. The > 10 > Tape set features GrandMaster Richard Hackworth and features video clips of > > Hapkido Masters from around the world! > > How could he teach anybody to master Hapkido? You have to be a real Hapkido master. Anybody see these tapes? is he in a suit or dobuk? --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Denise Lee" To: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:31:07 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Salute, salutation, bow, pay respect Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have allways been interested in Korean terminology; . . . When salute to the Flag if say ?KukKi BaeRe KyungNet is to KukKi = Korean Flag ; BaeRe = Face the... ; KyungNet = Bow ! So the hole thing would translate too 'Face the Korean Flag and Bow'. Then the frasing : 'KukKi Da Baere KyungNet' would be something like 'Face and look at the Korean Flag and Bow'. Also when saying 'ChaRyot Title Kay KyungNet' would be (with the title/SabomNim) 'ChaRyot SabomNim Kay KyungNet' would be 'Look at SabomNim and Bow' To Ramon Navarro, Sabom Nim- Thank you for your help in developing a better understanding of our Korean terminology!! Denise --__--__-- Message: 16 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:34:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] from the Korea Kido Assoc website Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good info, taken from the Korea Kido Assoc website... As a result of the corrupt government at the end of the Yi Dynasty, social chaos broke out everywhere. Korea found herself in a helpless position against the powerful foreign nations. In this situation, Korean Martial Arts flourished for a brief while, thanks to a few patriots who were aware of what was happening to their nation. However, the ancient classical weapons inevitably disappeared in the face of the modern weaponry (guns, cannons, etc.) and only the empty-handed Martial Arts seem to have stood out in the minds of the people. Korea was annexed by Japan in 1910. Every aspect of the Martial Arts in Korea underwent an extremely serious crisis and the entire Martial Arts tradition began to disappear. It was indeed the darkest hour in the long history of Korean military arts. During the 36 years of the Japanese occupation of Korea, practically the life span of a whole generation lost its freedom and identity. The Japanese authorities tried to completely eliminate Korean thought, Korean cultural arts, and the very foundation of Korean traditional Martial Arts, which had been preserved in Korea for thousands of years. Ironically, it was the Japanese who had, in the past, brought Korean traditional Martial Arts into their own nation and then modified those arts to suit the Japanese culture. Then in this century, the Japanese tried to assert that Korean Martial Arts originated in Japan. In fact, today's Karate, Kendo, and Aikido were probably influenced by the traditional Korean Martial Art tradition. The classification of different types of Martial Arts as various kinds of "Do" is a Japanese way of thinking. In Korea, on the other hand, the Martial Arts have been recognized traditionally as being either "Ki" ("skill"), "Sool"("art, method"), or "Kiyae" ("mechanical art"). That is to say, Koreans looked upon Martial Arts as either a means of fighting or as method of developing the mind and body. Examination of the ancient Korean historical records reveal that such terms as "moo-do", "koong-do", or "gum-do" were not so much as once used. It was only after the middle of the Japanese colonial rule in Korea that the term "do" first appeared in Korean records. In Korea, "mu-yae" or "moo-sool" were traditionally used instead of "moo-do". In the same way, "koong-sa" (bow shooting), or "koong-sool" (bow technique) were used by Koreans instead of "koong-do". In addition, "yoo-sool" was used in Korea, not "yoo-do". After the Korean liberation from Japan (August 15, 1945), Korean Martial Arts (i.e. "moo-yae" or "moo-sool") spread rapidly throughout the country. Classical Korean Martial Art techniques, which had been hidden, one by one surfaced and became publicly known. The reason for this rapid public disclosure of secret arts stems from the rivalry that developed between each proponent of some individual Martial Art form. That is, individual masters of their own particular Martial Art techniques tried to show theirs to be the "superior" Korean Martial Art. --__--__-- Message: 17 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:45:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] list 'o links Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Don't see your school or org listed at: http://martialartsresource.com/links/links.htm#Korean%20Arts Maybe it doesn't really exist... :) Send URLs you'd like listed to me at the below address. Thx. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustutkd1@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest