Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 03:01:49 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #139 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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From Maestre Cobra (Jye nigma) 2. Capoeira (Brian Beach) 3. Capoeira (Brian Beach) 4. Ken McDonough (J.R. West) 5. From Another Group....What would you do? (Jye nigma) 6. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Kuk_Sool_=3F=3F?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:19:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] From Maestre Cobra Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net there is little use of offensive hand techniques in capoeira. Some have attributed this to the belief that slaves had to fight with their hands immobilized by chains and therefore emphasized foot and leg techniques. It is more likely however that the absence of hand techniques is based on an ancient kongo tradition in which the hands should be used for good work, i.e, creative activities, while the feet should be used for bad work, i.e, punishment and destruction. Fu-Kiau explained one relevant proverb in kikongo "Mooko mu tunga, malu mu diatikisa" (Hands are to build, feet are to destroy). __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:33:31 -0500 From: Brian Beach To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Capoeira Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I don't know much about the art - but one student at the dojang I attend cross trains in it. The kicks are for real. They come from unusual angles and timing. Someone that you think maybe in a prone position may not be. As for the punching it was explained to me, (There is a school near me in dc that gives demonstrations that I have gone to on occasion at Adam's Morgan day - did you ever go Ken?) as the hand is for building so you don't use to destroy. 2¢ Brian --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:39:13 -0500 From: Brian Beach To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Capoeira Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Found the school's web site that's near me - anyone that's ever in Takoma Park or DC gimme a holler. http://www.capoeira-angola.org/index.htm P.S. anyone else going to Hampstead Maryland Master West Seminar? Brian --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "J.R. West" To: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:18:55 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ken McDonough Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net " Ken, If I ever run into you in the real world I will buy you a beer. You can cover my back and I'll cover yours." Well said! I know Ken McDonough and have had the pleasure to share a mat or two with him over the years. I take some of his stories with a grain of salt because I know that his intention was to amuse...BUT...I also know that Ken wouldn't ever do anything that would get him deeper in trouble than he already was, and I can honestly say that I would have to trust his instincts. How many of you remember where Ken was during the horrible events of 9-11?, well I, for one, know where he was and what he did and it is my pleasure to call him my friend...Good job ...AGAIN.......J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:31:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] From Another Group....What would you do? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My biggest fear was being attacked by a mentally challenged person. Last Friday I met that fear in the school bathroom. My friend was washing his hands in the sink while a boy from the special ed class was brushing his teeth. The boy spat on my friend's hands, which I found to be pretty disgusting. I looked at my friend and we both just figured 'whatever' and were about to leave when the boy started splashing water at us - repetitively. I told him to stop and then what do you know, he comes at me swinging his fists. Despite his mental disability the boy was pretty large and I didn't want to get caught by a wild swing. At the same time I didn't want to hit the kid. I held him away with an open palm and backed up towards the door. He kept coming at me swinging his fists and I was just wondering what I could do. I faked my front leg at him and that froze him long enough for me and my friend to get the hell out of there. That was one of the weirdest moments of my life. I'm surprised that the kids from the special ed class aren't accompanied to the bathroom. If someone who's mentally disabled attacks you, do you have the right to defend yourself? Is it morally correct to fight back? I've been contemplating this ever since it happened. Thomas __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:54:05 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Kuk_Sool_=3F=3F?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jye: ".....Also, it should be noted that the Lee brothers studied hapkido, and were a affiliated with kuk sool won before launching hwarangdo....so I believe that hwarang-do is nothing more than the Lee brother's creation and their verison of kuk sool won and hapkido......" Thanks for the response. I had heard that GM Lee had studied Hapkido, but was not aware that he had studied Kuk Sool as well. Were I to draw a connection it might be that Hapkido and Kuk Sool originated simultaneously and shared material before going their separate ways. Thoughts? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustutkd1@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest