Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:44:03 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #144 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Treated Injuries in men over 20. (Hay, Pat) 2. Injuries (Rudy Timmerman) 3. The_Dojang] The Arnold and full contact (Divetony@aol.com) 4. Joe's Post and Injuries (bob smith) 5. RE: GM Ji and Poland (Piotr Bernat) 6. Kook Sool - Hwa Rang Do (Patrick L) 7. Re: RE: GM Ji and Poland (Ray Terry) 8. off to Ohio (Ray Terry) 9. Re: Kook Sool - Hwa Rang Do (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Hay, Pat" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:52:45 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: E.R. Treated Injuries in men over 20. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think needle point was the next on the list. Be careful Ken. Pat H. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:31:42 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Injuries Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Byron writes: > My only gripe is that at most every tournament, the old guys (50 +) > have their bracket collapsed into the 32+ category. Hello Byron: That was a good report on the Arnold Classics, and I highly recommend the tournament for many reasons other than the contact sparring. I see good demonstrations, and there is a real sense of camaraderie during the daytime competition. It is a good place to introduce students to a wide variety of martial arts. The night performance is something else. Competitors are tired, and they are excited about performing in front of a large crowd. This is a mixture for disaster if refereeing is not strict. Your statement about the age 32 group is just one of the gripes I have with many martial art competitions. As you said yourself, you do not feel at par with the 32 year olds in sparring. We all know that there is a loss of speed and agility as we get older, and to lump the 50 year olds in with the younger ones is paramount to asking for injuries. The Arnold is not alone in doing this, and the reason is fairly simple -- not enough 50 year old participants to make up a division. After hosting competitions for more than 35 years, I have come to the conclusion that the organizers have to actively take responsibility for the safety of competitors. If we are to accept older competitors (and why not), we must group them in equitable divisions for their own safety even if this means that the division is a small one. To allow full contact at this level is a questionable practice, because with age the bones become more brittle. In the Can-am Classics (a tournament I host), I have a nice group of older competitors who return each year to compete. Their skill level and sportsmanship are most pleasing to spectators, and their division is a highlight of the competition. In those 35 years of hosting the Can-Am, I have had only one broken bone (Jaw was broken with a spinning kick in the men's brown belt division), and that was the only time we ever had to transport anyone to the hospital. I make it my personal business to hand pick my referees, and I credit no nonsense judging for having a safer tournament than I see in most other places. I attended the Kido Hae competition in Seoul, Korea last year, and sparring there included full contact strikes plus takedowns. The judging was fair and decisive. IMHO, this is what prevented injuries, and most everyone went home happy. In closing, I'll go back to the Arnold's; however, I will not allow my students to compete in the contact matches until the judging improves. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Divetony@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:41:02 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The_Dojang] The Arnold and full contact Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 3/24/2003 11:55:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > The_Dojang] The Arnold and full contact It's good to see this kind of chat. In our school we spar with controlled contact, being 42 and sparring 20 year olds is interesting and ok within our school. Would I want to do this at a tournament, no way, too much at stake no matter what the skill level. I did the tournament thing 15 years ago (and won), my 15 year absence hasn't dimmed the experence, I rememer it as if it were last week. So been there done that. I just wish our instructors wouldn't ask if we are going to a tounament in fron of the class and then ask why if we say no, it's kind of embarassing. I am 2nd gup and could probably do well against others my age but what's the point? I get satisfaction out of doing what I'm doing, I don't need another trophy or medal to make me feel good about the work I've put in. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "bob smith" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:32:42 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Joe's Post and Injuries Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net While I think most "good" dojangs & Instructors try to keep the sparring and injuries to a minimum, there are more injuries then my be reported in the discussed statistics. I personnaly have spent much time on Saturday afternoon with ice packs and aspirin trying to ease the pain. However, I would not change a thing (unless maybe inflict a little more pain on my sparring parteners). My two cents........ Bob Smith The Smith TKD Family _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Piotr Bernat" To: Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:20:04 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: GM Ji and Poland Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray wrote: > I had a chance to talk with Gm Ji a couple times last week. The info > I had received was incorrect. Actually he was teaching over much > of Europe, but not in Poland. Nevertheless we just had a great HKD weekend in Poland with Mark Klinger from Germany giving a seminar on Hwal Moo Hapkido, the first one of such kind in this country. It was definitely a lot of fun and just another look on HKD for me. There was also a TKD black belt grading afterwards and two of my students got their 1st Dans. Even 13 hours travelling there by train and another 13 hours back was worth it... Piotr Bernat www.dan.swidnik.com.pl --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:05:58 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kook Sool - Hwa Rang Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Sims, The early Hapkido umbrella included the Kook Sool Quan, and the Hwa Rang Do school. Regarding material, there was little sharing, some trading, and a lot of selling. As far as going their separate ways, IMHO if you took the Hapkido out of HWD or KSW you would be left with a lot of Chinese forms and silk. That is not to say that I do not respect those arts, I must - they are Hapkido :) Getting in the WAY, Patrick >Were I to draw a connection it might be that Hapkido and Kuk Sool >originated simultaneously and shared material before going their separate >ways. Thoughts?< _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: GM Ji and Poland To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:08:55 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > from Germany giving a seminar on Hwal Moo Hapkido, Is that MOON Bung-tae's group? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:19:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] off to Ohio Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net fyi, I'm off to Ohio again for a few days. While there I'll have an opportunity to teach a seminar on sin moo hapkido. Should be fun. The list should remain up and running, but if it slows down a bit you now know why... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:29:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kook Sool - Hwa Rang Do To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Patrick you hit it right on the head! I believe kuk sool won is heavily influenced by hapkido and chinese arts, and hwarangdo is basically kuksoolwon and some other chinese arts. Jye --- Patrick L wrote: > Mr. Sims, > > The early Hapkido umbrella included the Kook Sool > Quan, and the Hwa Rang Do > school. Regarding material, there was little > sharing, some trading, and a > lot of selling. As far as going their separate > ways, IMHO if you took the > Hapkido out of HWD or KSW you would be left with a > lot of Chinese forms and > silk. > > That is not to say that I do not respect those arts, > I must - they are > Hapkido :) > > Getting in the WAY, > > Patrick __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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