Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 03:01:49 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #150 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Needs (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Testing (Rudy Timmerman) 3. Re: Master West seminar - Hampstead Maryland (Brian Beach) 4. CT Seminars (Chris LaCava) 5. Ancient Korean(?) Forms in the MYDBTJ (John Groff) 6. Re: Buddha's Birthday (ABurrese@aol.com) 7. Re: Sun Ba Yak (Chosondo@aol.com) 8. Injustice to a MA family member (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 9. Seminar in Brainerd (Rudy Timmerman) 10. Re: CT Seminars (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:21:32 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Needs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig writes: > I've found that there's nothing that will shake you up more > than taking a quick slide down Maslow's needs hierarchy. Y'know...on > Monday > you're working on the self-actualization end of the spectrum ("Gee, do > I > really want to work in finance for the rest of my life?"), and on > Wednesday > afternoon you're all of a sudden concerned with the stuff you took for > granted ("Gee, I'd do just about anything at this point in order to > keep the > kids fed, and a roof over our heads?"). Hello Craig: The Maslow boogie really hits home when you begin to feel that urgent need to get your affairs in order:) BTW, I hope you and Bruce will find something good in the very near future. I almost wish we were back in the old days when we could simply take care of the "problem" and get some training in at the same time. I can't believe this bull, and something does need to be done about it. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:24:41 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Testing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kat writes: > When testing I always make sure I do not look at the others testing > with me > as it can be distracting and confusing. > I keep my eyes on my own belt if there is a mirror and always keep my > ears > focused on the instructor giving the exam. > Always remember that having fun is the best way to not let your nerves > get > the best of you. It can also help you not to become to self defeating > when > a minor mistake happens. Focus on what you do correctly. Hello Kat: Nice to see you focus in on testing, you'll have a chance to practice what you preach on May 16-18, when we have a scheduled test in the Sault:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:11:39 -0500 From: Brian Beach To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Master West seminar - Hampstead Maryland Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just got back from the seminar in Hampstead Maryland giving by Master West Hosted by Global Martial Arts and Master Instructor Joe Borucki (Happy Birthday). I now understand what the hype is about. Master West is an excellent instructor, very funny, very approachable and generous with his time. His students are very knowledgeable and move excellently, you can see that they were taught well and absorbed the lessons. I have very little experience outside my federation and it was wonderful to play with hapkidoin of such quality. Thank you Master West and Global Martial Arts. Brian Beach --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 21:08:43 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] CT Seminars Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey here is a quick update on some seminars here in Connecticut. Jung Ki Hapkido Seminar with (DD Member) Master Todd Miller Saturday, April 19 "Come spend the day learning about Jung Ki Hapkido from the New Hampshire representative of the Jung Ki Kwan, Master Todd Miller. We will go over history, principles and techniques in a comfortable environment to enrich and enhance your martial art experience." 2:00-5:00pm $35.00 pre-reg $45.00 at the door ---------------------------------- Sayoc Kali Blade Fighting Seminar with Guro Jeff Chung Saturday, May 31 "If you intend to see the movie “The Hunted,” you will see first hand the style that will be taught at this seminar. The technical knife advisors and choreographers are Sayoc Kali Instructors. The blade work is second to none. Spend the day learning about proper methods of using a blade from one of Sayoc Kali’s own, Guro Jeff Chung." 11:00-5:00pm $75.00 pre reg before May 10 $90.00 after May 10 (if space is still available) Price includes 6 hours of intense training AND your own aluminum training blade!!! Both seminars will be held here at... LaCava's Martial Arts 275-50 Post Road East Westport, CT http://lmaa.bravepages.com/ Pick-up service available from the MTA Westport Train Station for more information and/or to register, please contact me at 203-767-6567 or LaCavaMartialArts@hotmail.com ----------------------------------- In related news... :) Sin Moo Hapkdio Seminar with Grandmaster Ji, Han-Jae Saturday, May 17 and Sunday, May 18 I don't really have a blurb for this one, but I will say that last year's seminar was great! Don't miss out on training with a Hapkido legend. 10:00 to 6:00pm $150.00 for one day $200.00 for both days (by March 31) $225.00 for both days (after March 31) Hosted by Master Mike McCarty at World Sin Moo Hapkido Connecticut Dojang Bloomfield, CT http://www.hapkidojang.com/ Hope to see you. Take care Chris "from CT" LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "John Groff" To: Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:02:17 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ancient Korean(?) Forms in the MYDBTJ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce Wrote: <"One other thing is that not ALL of the hyung in the MYTBTJ are reproduced in the videos. There are almost all of the sword hyung, I think, and most of the staff and spear hyung. Oh yes, and they DID do the single MT hand hyung in the book for those who are interested. I know people must get tired of me citing this hyung so often but I think it is important to remember that it relates directly to General Qi's work written in 1567 and as such carries greater provenence than most other hyung or kata found in modern KMA have." [end quote] Eh...you're right to an extent, Bruce. However, the fact we must all face is that virtually every version of the MYDBTJ empty handed form done today is a RECONSTRUCTION. The same can be said for the weapons forms from this volume which are practiced today. As such, it seems sensible to assume that those who created reconstructed versions of the empty handed MYDBTJ form were influenced by the martial arts they had already studied (KMA, Chinese, whatever it may be). Additionally, each reconstructionist was faced with the considerable obstacle of the language and culture barrier presented in turn by: 1. archaic terminology, 2. vague terminology and references, 3. vague and rough illustrations, and 4. vastly different cultural norms which the volume cannot begin to explain. It seems only prudent to question whether ANY of the reconstructed versions are anything more than recent exercises in creative thinking--"INSPIRED" forms as opposed to "preserved" forms. Were there additional movements or behaviors included in these forms which weren't detailed, such as a pause here, a slow movement there? Was much lost when the forms were brought to Korea from China (by book, I remind you), and Korean field drill instructors (I use this term generally) has to reconstruct and interpret these movements from a vague illustrated guide themselves based upon their own experiences? As far as I know, there are AT LEAST 4 reconstructed versions of the empty-handed form from the MYDBTJ. They all differ markedly from one another, and they are ALL attempted reconstructions born of our modern era. I don't think we could merit this form (or any of the other recent reconstructions from the MYDBTJ) "ancient roots" any more than we could reconstruct a complex dance depicted with 30 or so basic drawings and vague descriptions of each manouver. Most modern martial artists laugh at the idea that anyone could learn martial arts from a book. But when it comes to the MYDBTJ (or other manuscripts), some people it seems are willing to make exceptions and allow nostalgia to cloud their judgement. How close can even an experienced martial artist get in bridging a 200-350 year gap with guesswork and modern martial arts experience as guides alone? How much creedence would any of you old heads out there give to someone with 30 years experience in Karate or Taekwondo who learned a Tai Chi form from a book (even a modern book with clear photographs and specific descriptions), and taught it as legitimate, authentic Tai Chi? Or someone who studied Aikido or Tai Chi for 30 years, who learned Taekwondo Poomse from a book? Would they be experts in the art they had book read? Could they be? What a fascinating double standard. Good practice to all, Chaney Hardman --__--__-- Message: 6 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 22:46:00 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Buddha's Birthday Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Would someone in Korea please tell me what day Buddha's Birthday is celebrated this year? It should be the 4th month 8th day by the lunar calendar. (I miss having a Korean calendar where the lunar dates are in the corner and Buddha's B-day is in red since it is a national holiday) Thank you! Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Chosondo@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:31:59 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Sun Ba Yak Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 3/30/2003 5:52:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > Has anyone heard of or understand the concept (or word) > Sunbayak as it relates to Koream Martial Arts. > > Mr. G used to talk about it at times and explained it only > in rudimentary terms. I'm curious if anybody else has heard > this word and how it is interepreted. > > As far as I know, and according to GM James Garrison of WOMAF, "Sun Ba Yak" refers to the application and use of centrifugal force. It can be likened to a blade of straw caught up in a cyclone and later found imbeded in a tree trunk. Weather the term is a legitimate use of the Korean language or not, what I have explained evokes a powerful image of the use of force. Further, it captures several concepts and principles we all hold out as key in the delivery of martial art skills. I hope that this helps. Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster International Chosondo Federation Choson Kwon Bup - Hapkido - Taekwondo 7252 Valley Ave Philadelphia, PA 19128 215-483-5057 www.chosondo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:23:15 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Injustice to a MA family member Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig told Bruce: << Having said all of that, "pissed off and dismayed" does not do justice to how I feel about what happened to you. It was criminal, and I hope the person(s) involved pay for what they did. >> Well said, Craig, I couldn't agree more. Bruce, you have my best wishes for a speedy and satisfactory resolution to your occupational needs. Sharon --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:09:36 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Seminar in Brainerd Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings everyone. I just want to let folks know that I will be in Brainerd, MN as a guest of fellow DD list member Master Garrett DeWitt. I Barring any driving problems, I should arrive in time to do a workshop on Friday evening from 6-9, and we plan to have an all day session on Saturday. I am sure I speak for Master DeWitt that the doors are wide open for our fellow DD list members, and I hope to see you there. For those who are driving to Brainerd, please be careful and arrive alive. I like live bodies to "work" on (or should that be with:) Beside the usual technique portion, the seminar will also include weapon (staff) training. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] CT Seminars To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:15:59 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > style that will be taught at this seminar. The technical knife advisors and > choreographers are Sayoc Kali Instructors. The blade work is second to none. > Spend the day learning about proper methods of using a blade from one of Second to none??? Umm, not so sure about that. It is just Eskrima... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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