Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:16:04 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #153 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Happy Birthday, Dear Buddha...You're Growing Oooooolllllllld (Ali Alnasser) 2. Religion in Korea (Ali Alnasser) 3. Jung Ki Kwan (Chris LaCava) 4. The Hunted (Chris LaCava) 5. Land of Blazing Crosses (A. Boyd) 6. Dan Certification (Robert Block) 7. video (freddie bishop) 8. Re: re: the hunted movie (Ray Terry) 9. Re: sabaki challenge (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 10. Re: Dan Certification (Braeswood Martial Arts) 11. Brainerd Seminar (Rudy Timmerman) 12. Learning MA from books (SEXTONR003@hawaii.rr.com) 13. Reconstructing Sword Forms (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Ali Alnasser" To: Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 02:20:06 +0900 (KST) Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Happy Birthday, Dear Buddha...You're Growing Oooooolllllllld Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From what I know, Korean traditional religious is rather syncretic in nature, as are traditional religious practices in Japan and China. For example, in China, most people wouldn't be purely Buddhist in their religious expression, since a lot of their religious beliefs would be derived from Taoism and folk traditions. The degree to which this takes place probably depends on a lot of different factors: region, educational level, and so on. Korea I would suspect is very similar, having its own set of indigenous religious traditions ("shamanism"), plus the imported Buddhist and Taoist traditions. Christianity adds something extra to the mix, although it differs from Asian religious traditions in that Western religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) demand religious exclusivity. So although religious syncretism does exist involving Christianity, it is generally considered to be heretical and therefore derided by religious authorities. The last time I saw any statistics, Korea was about 1/3 Christian. It might be interesting to see if regional differences by Christian sect exist. This would probably be due to the activities of missionaries. Such differences exist in certain parts of Africa when missionaries "divided up" areas between themselves for conversion purposes. The Buddha's birthday celebrates the birth of Siddhartha Gautama, the historical Buddha. [TABLE NOT SHOWN][TABLE NOT SHOWN][IMAGE] --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Ali Alnasser" To: Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 02:28:43 +0900 (KST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Religion in Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's a link I found regarding various religions in Korea that might be of some help... http://www.lifeinkorea.com/information/religion.cfm [TABLE NOT SHOWN][TABLE NOT SHOWN][IMAGE] --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 15:36:20 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jung Ki Kwan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kent: <> Please don't mistake us for the Drunken Monkey Style of Hapkido. I have heard it a few times, but it's not a big thang. :) It's a great style of Hapkido. Some people probably wished we were strung out once we got a hold of them. ;) Hey, no offence taken. Take care Kent. Chris "from CT" & "from the Jung Ki Kwan" _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 16:12:18 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] The Hunted Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig S. <> Bomb... Da Bomb... Either way it's not all that important? If I was hosting a "screen writers seminar" then I would be right with you Craig. Niether one of the actors are known for their martial arts accomplishments so the bladework and fight choreography is not what's going to make or break this film. But anyway... did you hear I'm hosting a blade fighting seminar? Get a preview by watching the "not so financially beneficial" movie, "The Hunted" with Tommy Lee Jones. ;) Take care Craig. Chris "from Siskel & Ebert's worst nightmare" LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:32:48 -0500 (EST) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Land of Blazing Crosses Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Ingenious Craig Stovall asked about religion in South Korea... When I moved here in 1997 I think my most frequent comment about the cities and towns was that I had never in my life seen so many crosses and steeples. Protestantism in all it's familiar faces as well as in billions of independent, private tax haven for the preacher, guises is alive and kicking in the RoK. This is perhaps the one element of Korean culture that splits, divides, renames, and opens competing 'places of business' across the street from the 'competition' more than the martial arts. No kidding. At night when you look out across any town in any part of South Korea the night is light by an uncountable number of blazing red neon crosses. They are on classical brick churches, office buildings, temporary meeting halls perched precariously on the tops of buidlings or in parking lots. It's pretty incredible. I have encountered more witnessing, recruitment, and copies of the watchtower here than anyplace else I have ever lived. In addition, when one is a Christian in Korea one is expected to go to church all day on Sunday. All day. (For many, that's the only day off work.) Buddhism by comparison is relatively invisible. Most families incorporate Buddhist ceremony into normal life in much the same way as "everybody" at home celebrates Christmas. More people in my language classes claim to be Christian or profess no religion than Buddhism. Unlike other Asian cities, large, visible temples are not a part of Seoul's streets. You have to get in the car and go somewhere to find one. Little office style meeting places abound throughout the city, however, for your emergency needs. In short, many Korean churches are sending Christian missionaries to the West to save our souls... ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 20:10:58 -0500 From: Robert Block To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Dan Certification Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here is an issue I could use some advice on, I will attempt to be as short as possible. I do not intend on being disrespectful to my master, I have questioned him and not received satisfactory explanation other then the idea which to some extent I agree with and to another disagree, that a belt is only a piece of cloth. I trained for four and a half years and earned a 1st Dan belt issued only under our school, not WTF or any other "recognized" organization, and was told so. A year or so later 2nd Dan, it has been about 3 years now, I have started a martial arts Ministry for non profit. Quite early on I was told, by my Master that he was looking for this and that which would allow him to issue me a WTF certification. Now four years after, earning my 1st Dan, I have found out that I must begin with applying for 1st Dan through WTF, and the same time frames hold true for subsequent Dan levels. I know, how gullible can I get, and shame on me for taking things at face value, for not checking things out myself. Yes I feel that I have been let down to some degree. Do not get me wrong I am not pouting over all this, Because I am still OK with who I am, how far I have developed, and confident in my abilities, But I do want to be able to have some official recognition to verify my training. Am I making any sense??? Is there anyway to rectify this? RJB --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:16:42 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] video Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Monday, my son was in TKD class, and they spent a few minutes reviewing an Hapkido video tape. The instructor wanted them to see what Hapkido was supposed to look like. The tape was purchased from Turtle Press. The tape was a mere demonstration, not for information. At the tale end of the presentation the sound went out, thats quaility huh! Fred __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] re: the hunted movie To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:25:24 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > i'm not qualified to give a good opinion. master terry, if you have seen > this movie, please give your opinion on the knife-fighting. Ray is good enuf. Thanks. Sorry, I haven't seen it. But Sayoc Kali is essentially your basic Eskrima or Arnis. Kali is just another name for Eskrima and Arnis, primarily used outside of the Philippines. Eskrima & Arnis are excellent blade arts. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:45:50 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: sabaki challenge Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "What ever happened to the Sabaki challenge? Is it still around? Jye" hi jye, you might want to check out the sabaki list on yahoo groups. just go to yahoogroups.com and search for sabaki. its a good list :) take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1-573-673-2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1-877-847-4072 --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Dan Certification Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:43:34 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Robert, Check out the NKMAA web-site. www.nkmaa.ca or www.nkmaa.com My Master may be able to help you in this instance or point you in the right direction. I hope we can help. Kat NKMAA School Houston, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Block" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 7:10 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Dan Certification > Here is an issue I could use some advice on, I will attempt to be as short as possible. I do not intend on being disrespectful to my master, I have questioned him and not received satisfactory explanation other then the idea which to some extent I agree with and to another disagree, that a belt is only a piece of cloth. I trained for four and a half years and earned a 1st Dan belt issued only under our school, not WTF or any other "recognized" organization, and was told so. > > A year or so later 2nd Dan, it has been about 3 years now, I have started a martial arts Ministry for non profit. Quite early on I was told, by my Master that he was looking for this and that which would allow him to issue me a WTF certification. Now four years after, earning my 1st Dan, I have found out that I must begin with applying for 1st Dan through WTF, and the same time frames hold true for subsequent Dan levels. I know, how gullible can I get, and shame on me for taking things at face value, for not checking things out myself. Yes I feel that I have been let down to some degree. Do not get me wrong I am not pouting over all this, Because I am still OK with who I am, how far I have developed, and confident in my abilities, But I do want to be able to have some official recognition to verify my training. Am I making any sense??? Is there anyway to rectify this? > > RJB > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:42:27 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Brainerd Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings everyone: Master DeWitt of the Brainerd TKD school pointed out to me that I had mistakenly informed the list that his seminar is scheduled for THIS weekend. Actually, it is the NEXT weekend of April 12th. Sorry folks, I guess I am just too anxious to see the good folks in Brainerd:) I will teach Bong (staff) sool/hyung as well as Kong Shin Bup ho shin sool. All list members are welcome! Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 12 From: To: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:46:49 -1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Learning MA from books Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I still remember in junior high school, prior to any MA training, studying a judo book. One day a friend grabbed me from behind and found himself flying straight over my head and smashing into the wooden floor of our living room. I remember it surprised the heck out of both of us! Quote from Bruce: Randall Sexton www.LaughingHara.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:00:27 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Reconstructing Sword Forms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce and Chaney, There are some pretty substantial differences in the two partial reconstructions I have seen. I would characterize reconstruction more as connecting the dots. Chaney, you are correct that what anyone at this point will not be the same as the originally practiced form. What we have to go by are a set of positions, with essentially no directions on how to get from one to the next for the most part. Now if we are talking sword(it could be any form), a person who has no background in sword wouldn't be able to draw the line from point a to point b in a biomechanically and tactically reasonable manner. However, a person who has some sword experience can draw the line between a and b. However the line that 2 people with different art backgrounds may be two very different lines. But the more experience you have with an art, the more clues that positions (the points) give you. And obviously, the more experience the person has with any particular sword art, the more sound his line should be biomechanically and tactically. Bruce is correct that forms are changed all the time. Sometimes it is just a small insignificant change due to faulty memory, personal preference or laxness. Other times people make changes in forms for political reasons to differentiate themselves from parent organizations. Sometimes changes are made because the person making the change doesn't know enough to understand the meaning of a particular technique or combination, and thinks he is improving the form by taking out or modifying what he doesn't understand. And sometimes modifications are made because a person wants to emphasize a different way to achieve a result. I think all of these things have happened and significantly affect all the forms we practice today. Otherwise, we would be able to see most of the forms I practice being done the same way in Korea, Japan, Okinawa and China. So are these reconstructions the same forms that were practiced in the 1700's? Yes and No. I believe that a practitioner from that era would be able to recognize any of the reconstructions that I have seen, just as I am able to recognize the 20 or so variations of Bassai Dai that I have seen. Danny Dunn --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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