Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:01:49 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #167 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: PhD Verification (Stovall, Craig) 2. I hate to take issue with Bruce... (Stovall, Craig) 3. Re: Sword Dealers (Jye nigma) 4. Re: no warm up (Bryce Burrows) 5. No Warm UP? (Art VanVranken) 6. Sword Dealers (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 7. Existential crisis (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 8. RE: Sword Dealer (Sun Mu Kwan) 9. Existencial crisis part II (Jeremy/Caltera School) 10. Self-Defense in School (Michael Rowe) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:24:20 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: PhD Verification Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bobby wrote, <<>> The basic premise behind the question is that there's a certain "high ranking" martial artist who has gained quite a reputation (at least in these parts) of both harassing his fellow martial artists, and making various organizational claims that can't withstand the onslaught of even the slightest scrutiny. He also claims a PhD, and seems quite fond of the title "Dr.". I was just wondering if there was a way to verify the validity of a person's PhD, since most of us wouldn't put it past him to go around fronting a mail-order doctorate. The gentleman in question is referenced in Bruce's post. As an aside, always be wary of martial artists flaunting PhD's that never seem to mention their field of study, much less the university from where it was earned. I would remind folks of the now defunct University of Oriental Philosophy run by Rod Sacharnoski and his merry band of walking makiwara. There's no telling how many "PhD's" that paper mill handed out before the state stepped in and closed it down. I would not be shocked if certain folks in Florida could trace their academic lineage back to that sorry state of affairs. Then again, maybe the guy's got a degree from Harvard. Who knows? Craig "Gots More Degrees Than a Thermometer...Yo!!!" Stovall ;) --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:52:42 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] I hate to take issue with Bruce... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ...since I've never done that before. Bruce writes, <<>> I'm going to have to sight you for that one. In fairness, Judo is only a "sport" in so much as someone practices it within that strict modality. Yes, Jigoro Kano did not organize Judo in order to train killing machines, and at the end of the day I don't think that's what you'll get. The original intent was to build atmospheres of mutual self-development through rigorous (yet survivable) training. The irony in all of it is that his introduction of the strong randori element to complement the kata produces ass-kickers out of those who have put in the proper training. A nice balance of theory and application. Unfortunately, this same randori element (and it's competitive outbranch of shiai) leads people to lump Judo into the same category as football and curling. I disagree. Yes, in recent times most Judo programs (especially here) have become too focused on getting that Olympic gold, and some training programs have become slanted toward getting things done on the tournament mat. As a result, the ground work in a lot of quarters has gone straight to hell, and you're hard pressed to find some of the more self-defense oriented material. Speaking of which, here's my recommendation... Before you poo-poo on Judo too quickly, go take a look at some of the material that you won't find in your typical YMCA program. Namely, Kodokan Goshin-jutsu, Kime no Kata, Joshi Judo Goshinho, and Ju no Kata. These materials make a NICE complement to the more widely practiced throwing and grappling techniques for those that want to emphasize the "martial" nature of Judo. IMHO, the complete Kodokan curriculum has as much claim to the term "martial art" as anything else I've seen. Honestly, in the world of the knife and the gun it's ALL recreational. For what it's worth. Craig Stovall --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:09:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sword Dealers To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What type of swords? --- J T wrote: > Does anyone here or in Korea have connections to a > good sword dealer? > > Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:12:20 +1000 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bryce Burrows Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: no warm up Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Fred No warm up before beginning strenuous exercise during class is obviously not an acceptable situation, if he is not listening to your protestations and your kids want to keep training (and you don't want to pull them out of the class) then do that, take the initiative and warm then up before classes. While kids need less of a warmup than adults - it will teach your kids the importance of a correct warm up. I'd suggest you look at the misc.fitness faq http://www.faqs.org/faqs/misc-fitness/part1/ Personally, i had a class like that at hapkido today. After a big of joint rolling we went into kicks...I've been through that sorta stuff before and i just keep my kicks etc low and low power until i've warmed up to what i consider a decent level. But i'd seriously look for another class if hes not playing ball with parents wishes about safety - he doesnt have to pay your medical bills cheers -- Bryce Burrows [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Art VanVranken" To: Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 08:05:07 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] No Warm UP? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Our class always begins with 10 -15 minutes of warm ups, and stretches before the real thing begins. This instructor is asking for trouble, pulled muscles or something more serious could result. Any good MA instructor would do some form of aerobic exercise to warm up before any strenuous workout. We even work up a sweat prior to doing our Poomses! --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:27:52 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sword Dealers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jeremy, the Japanese Sword Society of the US has a big Chicago group (http://www.jssus.org/) called the Chicago Token Kai. If you are looking for the real thing, you can obtain blades from Koto Era pre-1596, Shinto Era 1596-1780, ShinShinto 1781-1886 and the more modern Gendaito Era 1887-to present. My blade is from the ShinShinto Era. My fittings are from the Shinto Era. They are collectors (only about 2% of the members are practitioners). I was affiliated with the Houston Token Kai until I moved up North. Now these are very real blades, not modern machine made copies. Be prepared to spend several thousand for the real thing. For contact info go to: http://www.japaneseswordstore.com/clubs.html. Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com <<>> --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:31:02 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Existential crisis Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Eric, that is the way hapkido is supposed to work. Let me share with you an article I recently wrote for our newsletter: Muscle Memory Hapkido is mudo, a ‘martial art’. Mudo can be translated many different ways. ‘Combat techniques’, is another common translation that better defines the term mudo. In practice, the student develops a level of understanding about the technique, the body remembers the technique and learns to move in specific automatic ways following the natural laws of his/her body type. No two people respond to a technique the same way. It is important to practice with as many different people as possible in order to understand the commonalities about the technique and how certain body types respond to variations. My teacher often says that one should perform a technique 4500 times; 1500 with a partner, 1500 without a partner and 1500 times with your eyes closed. To understand muscle memory, compare it to the way we tie our shoes without thinking. We have done this so many times it is an automatic process. Muscle memory becomes reflexive through repetition. This is why the developed student responds easily when attacked by surprise. When we are aware of an attack, we must stay calm and relaxed, in order to avoid panic. We practice staying relaxed through the following methods: defining our technique, understanding basic motion, developing proper breath control, practicing ki extension and applying the advanced theories of hapkido motion. The attack is already in motion. If one is tense there is too much time to go from the senses, to the thought process, to the technique. One should respond with the body, thoughts and breath – relaxed. Remember that relaxation does not require one to go limp, as we cannot relax our bones. Relaxing is realized through motion and non-motion. The response becomes truly reflexive by allowing the body to respond while maintaining a calm awareness. Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Sun Mu Kwan" To: Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 01:52:55 +0900 (KST) Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Sword Dealer Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's the website to the dealer I use in Korea. I've been pretty happy with their service. http://www.sehyun-kumdo.com/ [TABLE NOT SHOWN][TABLE NOT SHOWN][IMAGE] --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Jeremy/Caltera School" To: Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:35:23 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Existencial crisis part II Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net First of all thanks to everyone for all the responses, some of them have been very helpful and thought provoking. I'm sorry to have to do this, but I feel I should re-ask my question as it has been misinterpreted. After re-reading it, I understand why. Let me clarify a few things. First, I am not really interested in the reality of a fight. I am not asking, "How do I know this stuff works if I don't try it"? Second, I have no intention of giving up hapkido for judo. Third, I am by no means suggesting that hapkido won't work, or questioning it's effectiveness. Here is what I am getting at. In judo, which I suck at by the way, we practice drills that seem realistic, we practice a myriad of throws, take downs, and grappling techniques. Then we go at it for real and the meaning of all these moves changes. What you thought was important is not, what you didn't think was important suddenly is, you can't believe how naive you were to have thought that some things would have worked, or that others wouldn't. It all changes. You realize that all the preliminary practicing of these techniques was just that, preliminary, important yes, but preliminary. Here's the kicker, we practice the techniques as realistically as possible the same way we do in hapkido. In hapkido, I have fast accurate natural reactions. Ironically, my judo throws in hapkido are fluid and effortless. I can defend myself mindlessly against most attacks with vigor and grace. But now that I have become acutely aware that all these drills are drills, it all feels preliminary. It makes me quite insecure and leaves me unsatisfied. I love hapkido, I don't ever expect to give it up, I just have a strange relationship with it right now. I am not asking what I can do to prepare for a real fight. I don't think that getting in a fight would change anything. I am asking if anyone has been in my shoes, and if so, does this insecurity pass or does it continue to grow? Do any of you with high ranks in hapkido have an insecurity deep within you because you feel in a sense you've never really trained? I don't mean that as an attack, it's just a question. Jeremy Callner --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Michael Rowe" To: Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:00:05 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Self-Defense in School Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> It has always amazed me that schools actually threaten this. I mean I understand that they want to have a Zero-tolerance policy, but come on now. If an adult defends themselves in real life they are afforded a hearing at least. Things such as appropriate use of force can become an issue but the right to defend you self to continue to have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is guaranteed to all. Not just for those who have reached the age of majority. But people are totally against the violence in our schools, so everybody must be punished. It really is a sad commentary. 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