Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 03:01:51 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #171 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Korean Style Sword (Wicker, H. Keith) 2. Sword Manufacturing (FirstPe315@aol.com) 3. No Subject (Michael Whalen) 4. RE: Korean Sword Sources (Kirk Lawson) 5. Re: Korean Style Sword (Ray Terry) 6. Turtle Press HDGD video and Sword Dealers (A. Boyd) 7. Ian, Downers Grove seminar (bob smith) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Wicker, H. Keith" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:29:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Style Sword Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To DD members, I ordered a Korean style sword (made in the Philippines) from Kris Cutlery. I have been quite please with the sword. Check out the link below. http://www.kriscutlery.com/Kris/other/korean.html Keith Wicker's Korean Martial Arts, USKMAF --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:46:17 -0400 From: FirstPe315@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Sword Manufacturing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, Dakin mentioned a lot of Koreans who think Japanese sword techniques are cool and that they used to make Japanese swords. Great! Basically then, buy Japanese. Check out bugei.com for the Bugei Trading Co. They custome make and test their swords constantly. They'll give you a free, large, color catalogue for their products ranging from $850 - $6K including supplies (i.e. cleaning, sharpening, tatami straw [for cutting practice], stands etc.) They're the best. Check them out. Jeff --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Michael Whalen" To: "dojang digest" Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:04:11 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] No Subject Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "I sure haven't had any luck finding a Korean blade. If anyone has any sources, I sure hope they will share them." You might try the World Kuk Sool Organization's website. The pick is limited however, (and I am by no means an expert on sword craftsmanship but I do know quality when I see it) the quality is good. They are handmade in S. Korea and they have some Eui-San cutting swords. michael whalen KSWnut --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:06:00 -0500 From: Kirk Lawson Organization: Heapy Engineering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ("THE$DOJA@SMTP {the_dojang@martialartsresource.net}") Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Korean Sword Sources Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" > To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" > > Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:59:48 -0500 > Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Sword Sources > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Bruce, > > I sure haven't had any luck finding a Korean blade. If anyone has any > sources, I sure hope they will share them. > > Danny Dunn http://www.kriscutlery.com/Kris/other/korean.html Peace favor your sword --- "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Korean Style Sword To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I ordered a Korean style sword (made in the Philippines) from Kris Cutlery. > I have been quite please with the sword. > > Check out the link below. > > http://www.kriscutlery.com/Kris/other/korean.html FWIW, the owner of Kris, Cecil Quirino, is a friend of mine. He has been in business for many years, sells a quality product at a good price. A katana he sells has been rated as the best sword available for the price (or so it was rated a year or two ago). His largest market is medieval swords. His love is weapons from the southern Philippines (Sulu area). I can recommend him and Kris Cutlery. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:45:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Turtle Press HDGD video and Sword Dealers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I quite like the video that Turtle Press put together about HDGD for two major reasons. The first is that it is in no way trying to be a training video. The second is that it shows many different levels of expertise from Mastery down to "should have picked another art". Better yet, it looks and feels like the thing was done with no preparation on the part of those being filmed. Since this tape was recorded a permanent demonstration team was created and their showmanship and average skill levels have improved substantially as a result. While not all the things being done in demonstrations these days are realistic or really worth doing it has become quite the show. When I want a much needed centering or perhaps 'dose of reality' is a better term, I watch the Turtlepress tape. As for sword dealers their are a lot of barriers to overcome and some of these are changing right now. Licensing has become a lot more strict and all of us have had to report to the local police station to update our registrations. Fines for out of date information have been levied and they have been pretty significant. To even get a license in the first place you need to get a medical check-up, get the approval of your instructor, and have a clean legal record. Re-registration will now be yearly. Noise has been made about banning the removal of registered swords from Korea but I have no details on that yet. If true, that will certainly put a crimp in my plans to one day return home! I don't know how all of this affects exporters yet. I do know that some of the larger dealers import the blades from Japanese manufacturers and do the fittings themselves. Most are upfront about that. Generally, I have found that only Sehyun has any level of English at all. I like their service and many of their products, but I do not like their catalog of swords. I don't even know anyone that has one to ask about the quality. The major companies that the WHDGDF deals with are (forgive my transliteration): Sinra Do Gum, Daehan Do Gum, Hyunmoo Do Gum, Sam Jung DO Gum, and Hanguk Do Gum. Everyone has their preferences. Like any other major purchase it's pretty personal. The current going price for a normal-to-good blade for cutting purposes is one million won. In 1999 when I got my first sword (Daehan, made in Korea) the price for a good blade was 700,000 won. How things change. A hand-forged in Korea, good to very good quality blade for cutting purposes will be more than two million won. My newest blade (September 2002) was one million won (Sam Jung, made in Japan). In general, the quality of fittings and service has gone up with the gradual expansion of the market. While the quality of my first blade is a bit better than that of my new one, I had a lot more input into the design and look of the new one. Perhaps the lack of a strong internet service for blades in Korea has to do with the legal paperwork as much as the language barrier. ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "bob smith" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:50:34 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ian, Downers Grove seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Ian, What is the date of the seminar in Downers Grove, IL? That information I did not see. 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