Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 03:01:49 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #174 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Opinions on HKD & Kyusho Jitsu/Tuite (Mark Seidel) 2. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Multiple_Conflicts_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 3. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Sword_Question?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 4. RE: Opinions on HKD & Kyusho Jitsu/Tuite (Jye nigma) 5. Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Sword_Question?= (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 06:32:36 -0400 From: Mark Seidel Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Opinions on HKD & Kyusho Jitsu/Tuite To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Interesting post sir as I am 50 and have had the same thought. I have supplemented my TKD with some Hapkido and Kempo. I have also read Dillman's books. There is a lot more to Hapkido then being flipped and thrown; I would suggest learning the joint locks. TKD sparring is a sport not an art. Most professionals will admit that spinning high kick to the head is easily defended by a seasoned street fighter. Learning where to kick and strike are the keys; learning activation points to a pressure point strike is appropriate. Finally spend your wise years reading, wisdom of the mind will condition the body's actions. MM Master Mark Seidel The Midtown Academy Martial Arts School Special Needs and Exceptional Child Specialist -----Original Message----- From: Wilson, Byron [mailto:WilsonB@sconet.state.oh.us] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 8:32 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Opinions on HKD & Kyusho Jitsu/Tuite Good Morning, all. During my rehab for a crushed radius after getting tagged by a spinning back wheel, I have had time to contemplate my future in the martial arts. In the last two years I have received this crushed arm and a shattered calcaneous. Even though I know that these injuries aren't necessarily inherent in the practice of TKD, they are inherent in full contact, full speed sparring as I age. I think my Olympic Sparring days are over, except maybe as a referee. Having not ever had the fascination with oriental weapons that generally come with most martial arts, I began my practice to always have weapons "available" for use and to tune my body. While watching some HKD matches I really enjoyed the moves and felt that HKD would make an excellent complement to my TKD training. However, my Sabumnim has been gently trying to tell me that HKD is not an art easily begun by a 50 year old without a necessarily higher risk of injury, both minor, nagging aches and major dislocations and breaks. Becoming discouraged to pursue HKD, I began to read Dr. Pier Tso's texts on Pressure Point fighting, purchased and pored over three of George Dillman's books on PPF and read somewhat extensively on Dim Mak. (I am still not sure I can tell you the exact distinction between each). Being a Christian, I am troubled by the depth of Eastern philosophy (I suppose Confucianism) embedded in Dr. Tso's work. Even Mr. Dillman uses the metals, elements and outlook of the oriental mind to teach his art. Is it effective? Is it practical at my age? Can I practice PPF without having to become immersed in a religion/philosophy I have neither interest nor faith in? Since there are several of you that are Hapkido Sabumnim and Kwanchangnim, I would sure appreciate your opinion on the practice and use of HKD and the "aging" body. Is it as destructive as I have been led to believe? Would I be "overreaching" to attempt to learn such a demanding art at 50 and continue my first love, TKD? Secondly, do any of you have an opinion of the efficacy of pressure point fighting and its practical application as a skill that would compliment my TKD training and offer addition skills upon which to draw when necessary? As my body advances toward becoming potting soil, I would like to remain fit, flexible and, when absolutely necessary, lethal, without continuing to nurse broken bones, hyper joints and deep bruises. I would appreciate any advice from the sages of the DD. Byron Wilson TKD Student [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 08:38:23 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Multiple_Conflicts_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Byron: I wanted to propose some things for you to consider, but perhaps we need to start with correcting a few misconceptions you might have. ".... Even though I know that these injuries aren't necessarily inherent in the practice of TKD, they are inherent in full contact, full speed sparring as I age. I think my Olympic Sparring days are over, except maybe as a referee......" Yes, its true that competition is a young mans' game, but that can be said of just about any dynamic sport including boxing, football and volleyball. There is nothing to say that a person couldn't continue in TKD and even competition (within ones' class). Personally I have never seen the worth of that particular activity but then I'll bet that there are folks who question my interest in bouncing (and being bounced)off a mat on a regular basis. "......However, my Sabumnim has been gently trying to tell me that HKD is not an art easily begun by a 50 year old without a necessarily higher risk of injury, both minor, nagging aches and major dislocations and breaks....." At least in the classes I teach the Golden Rule holds sway. Yes, you can get paired-up with someone who is younger and perhaps less considerate in their practice, but I have yet to attend ANY HKD activity where a partner was not willing to modify their practice in deference to the immediate needs of age, or injury, skill level or even body type. HKD is not, however, an activity that one can dabble in. It takes regular commitment, and a willingness to study deeply. ".....Becoming discouraged to pursue HKD, I began to read Dr. Pier Tso's texts on Pressure Point fighting, purchased and pored over three of George Dillman's books on PPF and read somewhat extensively on Dim Mak. (I am still not sure I can tell you the exact distinction between each)....." I have never been a fan of PP work as promoted by Mstr Dillman. I understand his premise but have never seen the sort of material that he advocates used successfully in a true combat situation. HKD teaches 36 PP and later 48 strike points in its BB material. These are not necessarily exotic or obscure points but, in their turn, can be used to either debilitate an individual or in some cases to facilitate a manipulative technique. You may want to examine GM Myungs' book (HAPKIDO- Art of Masters) or pick-up Brian Adams book "Medical Implications of Karate Strikes" for further elucidation. "....Being a Christian, I am troubled by the depth of Eastern philosophy (I suppose Confucianism) embedded in Dr. Tso's work. Even Mr. Dillman uses the metals, elements and outlook of the oriental mind to teach his art. Is it effective? Is it practical at my age? Can I practice PPF without having to become immersed in a religion/philosophy I have neither interest nor faith in?....." The Oriental MA proceed from a culture as steeped in the religions of their society as are the martial traditions of the West influenced by Christianity and Judaism. Practitioners of religious traditions of the West always seem to have a lot more trouble with this that do Orientals who engage in Western activities. To the best of my knowledge there is nothing espoused in the martial arts of the East or in its medical protocols or philosophies that would put your Chiristian beliefs at risk. In fact you might find quite a bit in Buddhist and Taoist systems that will compliment and encourage your faith in Jesus Christ and his teachings. I believe that Jesus encouraged his followers to "go forth among men as a lamb among wolves". I would like to think that such martials arts as are found in the World today would help you to follow this injunction with greater peace, efficiency and effectiveness. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 08:43:19 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Sword_Question?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: Do you have any resources for checking some of the companies identified so far and making recommendations regarding purchasing weaponry directly from Korea? I was thinking that perhaps we could take some of the names that have come up such as the ones that Anthony suggested and do a quick thumbnail on each. Perhaps it would also be worthwhile to publish some guidelines for purchasing and importting such items. We have a counselate here in the Chicago area, but I am thinking that perhaps it might be better to get the information from the OTHER end, yes? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 08:14:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Opinions on HKD & Kyusho Jitsu/Tuite To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am a christian also, and the truth is, in certain martial arts such as traditional kung fu which is heavily based in religion be it buddism or Taoism, there will be a time when your journey comes to an end in the portion. What I do is learn everything to know about the system and then do away with the buddism/taoism things, and replace those with my christian beliefs. I learned that the higher levels of Kung Fu deals with what Christians would call demons entering your body. The Chinese masters would call them spirits. You basically learn to invoke certain spirits for power, or what ever need you have for them. Ninjutsu is another system which teaches its student how to invoke certain "spirits" . These are the things we as christians need to recognize and stay away from. So happy training, and be alert, the Holy Spirit will let you know when something is not right. Jye > -----Original Message----- > From: Wilson, Byron > [mailto:WilsonB@sconet.state.oh.us] > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 8:32 AM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Opinions on HKD & Kyusho > Jitsu/Tuite > > Good Morning, all. > > > > During my rehab for a crushed radius after getting > tagged by a spinning > back wheel, I have had time to contemplate my future > in the martial > arts. In the last two years I have received this > crushed arm and a > shattered calcaneous. Even though I know that these > injuries aren't > necessarily inherent in the practice of TKD, they > are inherent in full > contact, full speed sparring as I age. I think my > Olympic Sparring days > are over, except maybe as a referee. > > > > Having not ever had the fascination with oriental > weapons that generally > come with most martial arts, I began my practice to > always have weapons > "available" for use and to tune my body. While > watching some HKD > matches I really enjoyed the moves and felt that HKD > would make an > excellent complement to my TKD training. However, > my Sabumnim has been > gently trying to tell me that HKD is not an art > easily begun by a 50 > year old without a necessarily higher risk of > injury, both minor, > nagging aches and major dislocations and breaks. > > > > Becoming discouraged to pursue HKD, I began to read > Dr. Pier Tso's texts > on Pressure Point fighting, purchased and pored over > three of George > Dillman's books on PPF and read somewhat extensively > on Dim Mak. (I am > still not sure I can tell you the exact distinction > between each). > > > > Being a Christian, I am troubled by the depth of > Eastern philosophy (I > suppose Confucianism) embedded in Dr. Tso's work. > Even Mr. Dillman uses > the metals, elements and outlook of the oriental > mind to teach his art. > Is it effective? Is it practical at my age? Can I > practice PPF without > having to become immersed in a religion/philosophy I > have neither > interest nor faith in? > > > > Since there are several of you that are Hapkido > Sabumnim and > Kwanchangnim, I would sure appreciate your opinion > on the practice and > use of HKD and the "aging" body. Is it as > destructive as I have been > led to believe? Would I be "overreaching" to > attempt to learn such a > demanding art at 50 and continue my first love, TKD? > > > > Secondly, do any of you have an opinion of the > efficacy of pressure > point fighting and its practical application as a > skill that would > compliment my TKD training and offer addition skills > upon which to draw > when necessary? > > > > As my body advances toward becoming potting soil, I > would like to remain > fit, flexible and, when absolutely necessary, > lethal, without continuing > to nurse broken bones, hyper joints and deep > bruises. > > > > I would appreciate any advice from the sages of the > DD. > > > > Byron Wilson > > TKD Student > > [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type > image/jpeg which had a name > of image001.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Sword_Question?= To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Dear Ray: > > Do you have any resources for checking some of the companies identified so > far and making recommendations regarding purchasing weaponry directly from > Korea? Sorry, I do not at this time. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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