Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:15:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #176 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Fan Hyungs (Ken) 2. PPF and TKD (Charles Richards) 3. Shameless Plug (Charles Richards) 4. Hapkido for the Aged (Burdick, Dakin R) 5. Korean Swords & ASMKA (Burdick, Dakin R) 6. More on Korean Swords (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Ken" To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:50:40 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Fan Hyungs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Group, Does anyone do or know of a fan hyung, if so is there a video/CD of such a hyung that I could purchase. The reason is I have a few female black belts that express an opinion that the fan would be better than a sword for a woman. Thanks in advance Ken Shinson Tang Soo Do --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:11:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] PPF and TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Bryon, I'm not a sage, but I do have a grey beard, and students and training partners in your age range. -------------------------------------------------- Becoming discouraged to pursue HKD, I began to read Dr. Pier Tso's texts on Pressure Point fighting, purchased and pored over three of George Dillman's books on PPF and read somewhat extensively on Dim Mak. (I am still not sure I can tell you the exact distinction between each). ------------------------------------------------- Dim Mak is nearly the same as PPF. It involves cutting the air and cutting the blood (I forget the Chinese names). -------------------------------------------- Being a Christian, I am troubled by the depth of Eastern philosophy (I suppose Confucianism) embedded in Dr. Tso's work. Even Mr. Dillman uses the metals, elements and outlook of the oriental mind to teach his art. Is it effective? Is it practical at my age? Can I practice PPF without having to become immersed in a religion/philosophy I have neither interest nor faith in? --------------------------------------------------------- FWIW many Chinese Sifu/Sigong are were also OMD's (Doctors of Oriental Medicine). One must learn to heal when learning to harm (yes a taoist concept). The five element theory is a central concept to understanding OMD, and many of the advanced and/or multipoint PPF concepts won't work, or make sense unless you understand OMD and the five elements. Is it effective? Yes, but IMHO not by itself. I like to use "pain compliance points" with joint manipulations as they set each other up nicely (again a taoist concept of yin/yang balance duality and interdependence). Is it practical at your age? Again IMHO PPF is a good assist for those with less muscle mass, our declining fast twitch muscles. As to changing faith, try this. Just accept that centuries of folks before you have dedicated their lives to practicing and researching OMD, and that reluctantly, even the AMA is recommending some OMD concepts that science can not deny the effectiveness of. However, approach it from a listening of I am open to accepting this other belief system and what works from it, but without converting from my to anyone else's core belief system.... ------------------------------------------------------- Since there are several of you that are Hapkido Sabumnim and Kwanchangnim, I would sure appreciate your opinion on the practice and use of HKD and the "aging" body. Is it as destructive as I have been led to believe? Would I be "overreaching" to attempt to learn such a demanding art at 50 and continue my first love, TKD? ----------------------------------------------------------- Depends on the school. If there is a lot of hard "air falls" and full speed joint locks, then you will surely suffer a bone dislocation and/or ligament/tendon tear before earning a black belt in that type of school. If there is more enphasis on taking balance and body mechanics, you can probably train for years without getting injured -------------------------------------------------------- I would appreciate any advice from the sages of the DD. -------------------------------------------------------- Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:25:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Shameless Plug Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Just had Master Hodder up to WV over the weekend for a Promotional Exam and Seminar. I had 18 students pass their test in order to advance to the next rank. Then immediately after the test, Master Hodder conducted a 3 hour Hapkido seminar in which many terrific techniques were covered. Being a Tae Kwon Do school we have had next to NO Hapkido exposure so having this kind of seminar was surely a thrill for all of my students and guests who were in attendence. My dojang was packed! If you get a chance to have Master Hodder come and do a seminar for you, you are in for a treat. James Morgan GTKDA www.gtkda.com <> OK Shameless plug. GM Hodder will be at the 3rd Annual Moja Kwan Moo Do Camp on September 27, 2003 in Canton Georgia (for the third year in a row). Keep watching www.mojakwan.com/events for the flyer and online registration, or send me your email or postal address for more info. OK double plug While you're at www.mojakwan.com/events you can still pre-register for the Moja Kwan Invitational Tournament June 7, 2003 in Roswell Georgia. Only one month left to get the discounted rate! Featuring electronic scoring in the Olympic Sparring Divisions, a weapons division, and action photographs from Crews Photography.... Regards, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:20:15 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido for the Aged Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Folks, For my money, I tend to steer people into taijiquan or other softer arts after age 40. If you want self-defense, hapkido may not be the best answer. Striking works better, and a .45 works even better. For health, hapkido can be rough on the body (falls, locks, etc.). I love it, but I don't know how much longer I can keep doing it. Playing with those 23 year olds is getting a lot harder. I'm not a fan of the Dillman pressure point stuff either. Of course, if you find the right instructor, any art can work, but finding that perfect instructor is often nearly impossible. For my money, I would say take Yang style taijiquan from one of the William C.C. Chen guys or learn to do boxing drills at the local boxing gym.Baguazhang might not be bad either. Good luck! Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:26:38 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Swords & ASMKA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce Simms wrote that: www.song-moo-kwan.net that offers swords for sale and identifies them as having been forged in Korea. I found the URL by punching "korean swords"+purchase into YAHOO. FWIW. Ali Al-Nasser also wrote: Here's a link for Korean swords here in the U.S. http://www.song-moo-kwan.net/korean_swords I checked out the swords, but really didn't find a lot of information to tell me what they were. They say they are "live actual cutting blades with and not replica or ornamental blades," but the prices range wildly from $145 to $1350, without much description of what the difference in quality is. I couldn't find any testimonials on the web of people who have bought these. Looking at the webpage, I found that the American Song Moo Kwan Tae Kwon Do Association is headed by "Kirk I. Koskella (Grandmaster) and a staff of expert instructors, including Masters' James D. Wohlwend and In Soo Lee." The address given is American Song Moo Kwan Association, 117 East Main Street, Emmett, Idaho 83617, Phone: 208-398-7477. Doing a Google search on Kirk I. Koskella, I found: http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17657.htm which reads in part: "UNITED STATES SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION Litigation Release No. 17657 / August 5, 2002 Securities and Exchange Commission v. Kirk I. Koskella, O. Jay Neeley and ELTC Limited, Civil Action No. 01-C-6227 (N.D. Ill.) (WJH) The Securities and Exchange Commission (Commission) today announced that, on July 24, 2002, the Honorable William J. Hibbler, United States District Court Judge for the Northern District of Illinois imposed a civil penalty of $110,000 against Defendant Kirk Koskella (Koskella), of Orem, Utah, in the above matter. " Now this might not be the same Kirk Koskella, since the one in the fraud case is in Orem, UT, and the ASMKA is in Idaho. BUT.... we can find the following site (a guest book): http://martial-arts-network.com/guestfeb9.htm which reads: "Guest : Kirk I. Koskella Home Page: American Song Moo Kwan Association How did you find TMAN?: Net Search Comments: The guestbook sems to have a lot to offer those who wish to network as support each other... Please feel free to look at two of our sites... we will reciprocate. I am the Executive Vice President of Grand Master Bong Soo Han's International Hapkido Federation (sm - Service Mark),(www.intl-hapkido.org) which has been operating in the United States for the past 30 years... Why not take a look and at a grand Master we all feelwe know. Also, please take a look at a site which represents the 1st Kwan ever established from the man who created the Korea Tae Kwon Do Association and World Tae Kwon Do Federation at www.song-moo-kwan.org. I'll be checking back to answer some questions and ask a few myself. Thanks. Kirk I. Koskella Orem, UT USA - Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 06:33:08 (PST)" So apparently the Grandmaster Koskella and the fraudulent Koskella are one and the same. The Salt Lake Tribune writes at: http://www.sltrib.com/2002/mar/03292002/business/723501.htm That on Mar. 29, 2003: "Utah Attorney Added To Fraud Indictment A federal grand jury has indicted Utah attorney Robert Dodenbier in a case involving five Utah businesspeople accused of defrauding more than 50 people in several states of an estimated $15 million. Dodenbier of Spanish Fork was named Thursday in a superseding indictment that added his name to a case in which Provo attorney Ozy J. Neeley, Springville attorney Paul J. Young, Orem accountant Stacie Bateman, Murray accountant Chad L. Merica and Highland resident Kevin Crockett, an owner of an accounting and tax preparation business, were indicted on Jan. 25. The U.S. Attorney's Office for Utah alleges the group encouraged clients throughout the United States to put their assets into bogus offshore "trusts" to conceal income from the Internal Revenue Service. Prosecutors said clients paid $8,000 to $32,000 to the defendants to set up the bogus trusts to reduce or eliminate their tax liability and that most clients probably knew the trusts were illegal. The five businesspeople worked through companies called Anglo-American Investments Ltd. and Anglo-American International owned by Kirk Koskella." If you're interested, the ASMKA's instructor oath can be found at: http://www.song-moo-kwan.net/certified_instructor and it reads in part: "I pledge further, that I will never abandon the tenets, and teachings, which reflect personal integrity and honor. I will accept the appointments ceded to me within the school, and the American Song Moo Kwan Association and by personal request received of Grandmaster Kirk I. Koskella as it may pertain to my conduct as a Black Belt Instructor and teacher of the Martial Art of Tae Kwon Do, Song Moo Kwan style" As for the other instructors listed in ASMKA site: James D. Wohlwend is listed as a Tae Kwon Do instructor from Orem, UT at: http://www.masterssite.com/world_registry.htm The certificates at that site cost $25 to $125 and they come from Martial Arts Masters World Federation Inc. M.A.M.W.F. P.O. Box 1859 Dunedin, FL 34697 USA I couldn't find much of anything on 5th dan In Soo Lee. As to where the swords come from, the following page: http://my.ecplaza.net/songmooheadq/ says that ASMKA "is almost exclusive to the purchase of Golden Tiger Trading Company in Los Angeles, California. Member orders are dropshipped from the manufacturer /distributor and shipped from the headquarters location in Idaho as well." Golden Tiger's site is at: http://www.goldentiger.com/ and their traditional Korean swords run from $695 to $1795. I called the company and they didn't have many details beyond that it was a "sharp steel sword" (on the website). They did say they were handmade and came from Korea and that they were 440 steel. Bruce also wrote: "However, there is supposedly a Masters' thesis available through PROQUEST (cost to me was $34US+shipping) by one Gyves, Clifford Michael which is a translation of the Boxing Canon." Cool! The full citation is: Gyves, Clifford Michael. "An English translation of General Qi Jiguang's 'Quanjing Jieyao Pian': (chapter on the Fist Canon and the Essentials of Nimbleness) from the 'Jixiao Xinshu' (New Treatise on Disciplined Service)." M.A. Thesis, University of Arizona, 1993. vi+63 pp. Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:47:30 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] More on Korean Swords Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would like to say thanks as well to all the responses on Korean swords. I checked the World Kuk Sool website. Their swords are only available to BB members. Also of note, while their practice swords are straight, their cutting sword looks to be a standard katana blade and mounting. Dakin, I emailed Kris for some info on the Korean sword that Keith told us about. Mr Cecil Quirino (I believe this is your friend Ray) emailed me back. Don't think he would object, so his response on the Korean sword is: ""The question on the Korean swd. style is very difficult to answer. It appears that the Japanese imported swd. technology from China & Korea before the 11th cent. One such swd. that is the Tokyo Mus. is a straight single edge blade (no fittings. ) This is the same style blade that was found in a document in Korea re. the blade. A customer of mine gave me a copy. Again no fittings. Our Korean has a resemblance of that style."" One last question (well maybe two) for those of you that have cutting swords you are happy with. How much does your sword weigh and where is the balance point? Thanks. Danny Dunn <<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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