Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:53:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #197 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Agony of Da Feet (SEXTONR003@hawaii.rr.com) 2. Dojang Software (Charles Richards) 3. New Dojang (Charles Richards) 4. re: MA Programs (Lasich, Mark D.) 5. Kenpo model (Charles Richards) 6. Re: Martial Arts Business (Stovall, Craig) (scottm@scubadiving.com) 7. Models (Ray Terry) 8. Feet fitness (daniel_abramovitch@agilent.com) 9. Private lessons... (Eric Walker) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: To: Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 00:36:40 -1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Agony of Da Feet Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Duct tape and Motrin might work pretty good! Randall Sexton www.LaughingHara.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Dojang Software Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Sharon (and Kat) I use and like Master Vision it's pretty robust and covers just about everything I need to do. The NAPMA/EasyPay folks also had a software they marketted and I liked it too, but MV is more robust. There is an investment curve in putting in all the raw data you need for MV, but garbage in = garbage out. I use 3 levels of progress checks, mass testing, who's testing list, condensed belt order list, re-order list, attendance function, renewal date of contract, lead follow up functions, source generation tracking, and info call history, plus I will use the point of sale function as soon as I enter the rest of my items (see time investment above). Also, I print labels for attendance cards and birthday cards, and keep an Active Student roster with me at my day job... Sorry Ray, I think that was a MV commercial, Regards, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:48:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] New Dojang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jeremy, - Technically it will be my first school that I will be running on my own. I had a class that I used to teach a while ago, but disbanned it due wanting to learn more so I could teach more. So yes I guess you can say this will be my first authentic school ---------------------------------------------------- We need more instructors like you. Always make your training a high priority! - I am wanting to start as small as possible. At this time I am trying to find a part time job to earn some money that I can use as saftey money along with any loan I may have. If I can skip the loan part and still start a school, I would be more than happy to. I am not looking to start start a 2000 sq ft dojang yet. :) ---------------------------------------------------------- OK, if you're single and have no other obligations, I would suggest a full time job with benefits that has hours like 7-3 (first shift). Or if you can stand it 11-7 (grave-yard), either of which leave you free during Martial arts prime time 3pm-9pm and also with a steady live on income, plus healthcare benefits. Also, look for a low rent location that is 1600 to 2000 sf so you can build a student base of 50+ before you transfer to a commercial site. - No this will be a part time school to begin with, until I can bring it up to par to compensate me enough so I can leave my real job now. ---------------------------------------------------------------- See above, if your real job that you have now has health care, don't leave yet, wait until you grow your phase one school to a size large enough to meet all expenses except salary of a store-front location, then transfer them over, and possible switch to part time day-job and full time 3-9pm martial arts. - I am not sure what is meant by this question. However, if I am reading it right, my goal is to bring in $24K-36K gross after expenses. I am not sure if this is a high or low goal yet. My long term is to have the school up in running and earning between $80K-$100K within 5 years. Again I don't know if this goal is too high or too low. Opinoins from more experienced people are welcomed. ---------------------------------------------------------- Again assuming you're single and the lease/purchase of a dojang vehicle is included in expenses, then $24-36K is probably enough to walk away from corporate america. Remember that you will have to pay your own taxes, and company matching portion, so run some numbers before you leave your day job. $80-$100K proffit is reasonable and would take about $200 to $250K of gross revenue or about 200+ students all doable in 5 years and yes in 2,000sf with some good planning. - I have not considered that. How would you recommend going about this. I really don't want to ask friends or family members. Kind of a rule I have when it comes to business. ------------------------------------------------------ Good rule, but you may need to bend a little. First finish a solid business plan. Then look at everyone you know who 1. Might have $10,000 to $25,000 to invest if you could return better than 3.9% (savings/CD) or the 10% that used to be the index fund average. 2. Would be open to owning shares (possibly non-voting)of your company 3. Or would be open to a signature loan at 12%. A family member near retirement with investments at less than 10% may be more willing than you think to do #3 (even a distant family member). One school owner I know did #2 with his chiropractor, so do you know any Doctors Lawyers, Real Estate Agents, or other business owners? Good Luck! Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang (E-mail)" Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:55:35 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: MA Programs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net With respect to Martial Art Programs, we have the Myrro Member Ties Professional that "should" work fairly well for tracking membership, dues, reports, etc. I say "should" as we are not really begun to utilize the software with any degree of regularity, but from what I have seen, it should handle the bulk of the membership needs of a MA program - there are even custom fields if you want to track testing dates, accomplishments, etc. You can set reminders for membership upgrades, and more....... Quote from their web site:"MemberTies(tm) is a club membership software program designed to help you save time and get your club organized!" They have a fully operational free download, which works for less than 20 members. Full version is only around $99, or so. Check it out at: http://www.myrro.com/memberties/ I wish I had more first hand experience to share, but you may be able to gather enough information from their web site to make an intelligent decision. I have Emailed them with questions and they do response very quickly on support issues. In the spirit, Mark --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:58:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kenpo model Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Having eaten my fair share of Ramen noodle dinners waiting for all the white pajamas, I'd have to say the Tracy Kenpo model won't work unless you charge what a doctor or lawyer does, and live in an area with enough people interseted in that level of training (about 0.5-1% of the general population). I pay monthly rent and it doesn't take you long to figure out you are paying for every hour of the month (used or unused), and the maximum damage with minimum effort is how ever many group students you can fit on the floor, for as many classes as you and/or staff can teach during prime-time hours. Teaching at non-prime time never generates enough net revenue to be worth your time. Teaching privates is a very small market. If you can keep a steady enough stream to pay rent my hat's off to you. Your's in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:20:31 -0400 (EDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Martial Arts Business (Stovall, Craig) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net craig, i think you got it right. never seen that other method of running a school--kinda curious about it, though. aside from some schools on the west coast that i've visited & trained, most owners that i know don't teach martial arts full time. master j.r. west is one of the few people i know who runs a traditional dojang and is successful. not that master west really needs the plug, but i have attended a few of his seminars and they are top notch! anyway, the tkd organization i am affiliated with has had big success with the amp(after school martial arts program) thing that jim king & y.k. kim came up with a few years ago--we're talking some serious bucks! it's saved a few schools in my organization, but were i a school owner, i'm not sure i would want to do it. i've seen the amp in action over the last 3 years & you can't argue its success--but personally, i don't want a school that big with so many kids. just my 2 cents worth. scott Craig Stovall said "...BTW, I've generally run into two types of martial arts instructors. The part-timers who work a 9 to 5, and teach on the side. Then there's the full-timers who seem to always be on the verge of joining the welfare ranks. I've met VERY few successful full-time instructors (which is why I dismissed it as a career option...as much as I love to teach). If you're successfully making a living teaching martial arts...my hat's off to you. It seems to be a hard trick to pull off..." --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Models Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net fwiw, I believe the Tracy Kenpo model is the same/similar to the way CHOI Yong-sool taught Yawara/Hapkido. Gm Choi probably wasn't the first to employ this method, and as we see, not the last. If you and/or your art are in high demand, it seems it would work well. A few premium students, paying premium prices. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: daniel_abramovitch@agilent.com To: rterry@idiom.com Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:42:40 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Feet fitness Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Someone once told me that dancers soak their feet in warm water with alum dissolved in it. It seems to dry up a lot of blisters, etc. and might help. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Eric Walker" To: Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:28:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Private lessons... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Stovall--- <1. Little or no group classes. Most, or all, classes are performed in