Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 03:01:50 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #198 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. looks like dirt to me... (L. Veuleman) 2. Martial Arts "University" (Wicker, H. Keith) 3. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_School_Model_Stuff_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 4. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Ego_too_big_for_the_training_floor?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 5. Re:_School_Model_Stuff (Ray Terry) 6. Re: Feet Fitness (Jason E. Thomas) 7. Swords and Patton (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:13:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Veuleman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] looks like dirt to me... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net While on the subject of external medicines, a 'karate' buddy of mine gave me some stuff the other day that I found interesting. The product is 'YUNNAN PAIYAO', made in good ol china, and it is a brown powdery product with a small red pill located inside. Supposedly, you are to make a paste with the powder and rub it on bruises, burns, or swelling. The red pill is called an emergency pill, and is to be used only in the case of gunshot or other serious wounds, and is to be taken with either wine or water, but wine is suggested. Anyone ever come in contact with this stuff? Have any interesting stories with it? I have heard a few interesting stories from the guy that gave it to me, but I am not willing to take a bullet for trial and error process of quality testing. Yours In The martial Arts, Charlie Veulemancharlie@bluewavekarate.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Wicker, H. Keith" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:56:21 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts "University" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To all DD members, The following link is for the "American National University Martial Arts Science" site http://anuma.edu/welcomeabout.html >From their site home page: "Welcome to the American National University Martial Arts Science. We are pleased that you are considering the American National University Arts Science as your partner in the higher education. The American National University Martial Arts Science is an independent study program. It is an off-campus university. The catalog explains the curriculum and its process of the martial arts science program in the Bachelor's, Master's, and Doctorate degrees. " Any DD members know about this "off-campus" university? Any DD members know of any "on-campus" universities that offer similar programs? Keith Wicker Wicker's Korean Martial Arts, USKMAF League City, TX --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:47:07 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_School_Model_Stuff_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Charles and Jeremy: ".....OK, if you're single and have no other obligations, I would suggest a full time job with benefits that has hours like 7-3 (first shift). Or if you can stand it 11-7 (grave-yard), either of which leave you free during Martial arts prime time 3pm-9pm and also with a steady live on income, plus healthcare benefits. Also, look for a low rent location that is 1600 to 2000 sf so you can build a student base of 50+ before you transfer to a commercial site....." To add onto that last sentence by Charles let me say that many MA teachers have made a point of dedicating a part of their house to MA instruction. Having said that, let me also say that when in doubt about things, I tend to delve back into history and examine how things were done by people before us. Here some things to consider. Most teachers in the Orient were, or had been otherwise employed or supported. For instance, retainers in Japan were pressed to teach they skills to others and/or teachers could be hired who in time became retainers. In like manner there are all sorts of situations where teachers of martial arts in China, Korea and many other countries were retired from their day job, or were doctors, or lawyers or teachers during the day and taught out of their homes at night. The full-time MA teacher who instructs out of a rented space as a full-time, self-supporting occupation is actually a recent (post 1950) and rare situation. The number of dedicated students who will make an on-going committment to your establishment in sufficient numbers to maintain such a venture will take quite a while to accrue. In the meantime you will find yourself moderating your position and material in deference to retaining students. In order not to fall into this position you can a.) have a day job that minimizes your economic dependency on your venture, or b.) teach non-commercially by either volunteering your skills to an agency or teaching through an agency which will compensate you for your services. I do both of the latter and have never regetted it. The small amount I earn off-sets the expenses I might otherwise incurr for my own training. And I am not beholding to anyone for what I choose to do with my KMA career. BTW: On the heels for that last comment let me also say that having your own self-sustaining commercial venture also opens you up to quite a bit of under-handedness in the MA field. It would be naive to think that other instructors won't talk about you, or propagate erroneous information about what you are doing or who you are. Its amazing some of the stuff some of my students have brought to my attention. Its also amazing that even your best friends in MA won't tell you what's being said. Then again, the first time that you find that some person who signed up for instruction is quietly talking-up the school down the street in the dressingroom, or after class with the students you have worked hard to gather, I can bet you that you will have all sorts of non-Humanistic impulses. Even as a teacher who works hard to give other schools and classes in the area all the support that I can, I still have to be VERY careful around other schools and students. Regardless of what comes out of my mouth, teachers who depend on their schools as a livelihood are incredibly suspicious of me and my motives. Can't say I blame them, so I do what I can--- but carefully so as not to threaten. FWIW. Good Luck. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:07:42 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Ego_too_big_for_the_training_floor?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Eric: "..... Teaching someone to fight effectively and passing on a martial art would be two different things entirely. If I don't have the chance to try out a hip throw on a 250 pound bruiser or an 85 pound 16 year old girl then I can only guess at what adjustments need to occur in my technique or how to explain it to someone else. As an added bonus, I have continual reinforcement of the material from previous ranks by working with the other students......" I hope you will pardon me dovetailing on your post. I was thinking as I read your words that there is another point that gets in the way here. And I would like to use myself as an illustration. When we bow in for class, the class and I circle-up, meditate briefly and then bow formally to the circle. In doing this I tell my students that we are ALL (me, too) students. In my case I have a rank that says that I have chosen Yon Mu Kwan Hapkido as the venue for learning more about myself--- but I am STILL learning. In the class I know more than anyone else, but I am STILL learning. In fact I used to carry a White belt in my bag when I visited other schools but it seemed to cause more disruption than it solved- - but thats another issue. The point that I am working to make is that perhaps too many teachers have forgotten what it takes to conduct themselves as students, or to become students. Maybe its just too much of a sacrifice to get onto a mat and not be the one in charge or identified as the one who has all the answers. Lately I have been revisiting the Yon Mu Kwan Hyung that I have been studying for years, but in terms of how the same techniques or methods might be done using biomechanics first postulated by Chinese stylists, rather than relying heavily on the Japanese-influenced TKD executive style. When I visit a kwoon and the teacher is showing an "arm-bar" sort of technique the last thing he needs to hear is me telling him how I already know that technique--- but I do it THIS way. I'm not saying that its easy, but I believe that it is a necessary skill that people need to master if they are ever to be true teachers. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:_School_Model_Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > To add onto that last sentence by Charles let me say that many MA teachers > have made a point of dedicating a part of their house to MA instruction. Be careful. In today's sue-anyone-for-any-reason (at least in the US) this is a good way to lose your home. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:09:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason E. Thomas" Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Feet Fitness To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Glenn, When I first started training with Jack Lococco we had a vistion who studied Moo Duk Kwan, and he helped one of the senior students. He used a product called "Hound Dog Tuf Foot". I don't know if it was truly an animal product. That was some 15 years ago. I don't know if its still available. I found it on the web: They make it for people too, here is the URL: http://www.tuffoot.com/about1.htm Hope that helps. GLENN MCINTOSH wrote: ----------------------------------------------------------- This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. ----------------------------------------------------------- Can any body give me some advice? While free sparing last week I tore the soft pad of the bottom of my left foot (ouch!!!!!!!!). The problem I have is that I have an all day training session with my Master coming up early next week, which I've been waiting for, for weeks. Has anybody any suggestions on how strap my foot or apply suitable balms that would give me enough freedom to train. Thanks Glenn McIntosh Australia Regards, Jason --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Swords and Patton Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce said: > Most cultures have tried to marry the benefits of both architectures of > blade and the controversy of Straight vs Curved continued all the way up > the 20th century with Gen. Patton (yes, THAT Patton) designing a straight > cavalry sword for use by the US Army. Patton was the US Army's first Master of the Sword. A title and position still in use today. A snippet from Geo. Patton's career... 1912 Places fifth in the Olympics' Military Pentathlon in Stockholm, Sweden. 1913 Attends the French Cavalry School and studies French sword drill. Becomes the U.S. Army's first "Master of the Sword." Designs the U.S. Army's M1913 saber. 1914 Writes the U.S. Army Saber Regulations of 1914. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustugold@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest