Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 18:16:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #199 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: looks like dirt to me... (Chris LaCava) 2. Re: Swords and Patton (ABurrese@aol.com) 3. GM Ji Seminar May 17 & 18 (mccarty@hapkidojang.com) 4. florida imposter (Ray Terry) 5. Hapkido in the Midwest (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 6. Ego and and other thoughts... (Eric Walker) 7. Re: looks like dirt to me... (Jye nigma) 8. MA Business (J T) 9. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Tough_stuff_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 10. bent weapons and other curvature points (A. Boyd) 11. Re: bent weapons and other curvature points (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 06:29:24 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: looks like dirt to me... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Charles V. <> Hey Charlie. It sure does look and smell like dirt. :) Yunnan Paiyao is great for blood clotting. By applying the powder directly on a cut it helps to stop the bleeding. Very similar to applying dried yarrow in a cut. The red "hit pill" can be used for internal bleeding. I'm just glad I have never had to try that one. I keep a bottle in my first aid kit at home and in the dojang. Take care Charlie. Chris "from CT" LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 2 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 08:16:49 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Swords and Patton Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray mentioned some things about Patton and the Sword. Yes, Ray, but you forgot to mention Patton's attack philosophy. He wasn't into defense much with the sword either, he believed and fought with the good offense is your defense attitude that he is known for. :-) Yours in Training, Alain (Who enjoys studying Patton, and uses him as a model in my new book) www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 3 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: mccarty@hapkidojang.com Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 05:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Ji Seminar May 17 & 18 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It's just two weeks away from a fantastic opportunity to train with one of the top martial artist in the world. Grandmaster Ji, Han Jae will be conducting a seminar in South Windsor, CT. on Saturday and Sunday, May 17 and 18. I know that I'm looking forward to it along with the many that have registered for the seminar. Official Registration closed on Wednesday, April 30. HOWEVER,if you forgot to get your money in or didn't know about the seminar or just realized you really want and need to be there, there's HOPE. Write me directly at mccarty@hapkidojang.com or call 860.796.0811 to make arrangements. It's first come first served. Don't miss out on this opportunity. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 07:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] florida imposter Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Folks should find the attached sad, but truely amazing. The HKD imposter from down Florida-way is making the following statement. Amazing, simply amazing. Geez... Ray HAPKIDO IMPOSTERS: Unfortunately there are those in the Hapkido community who create confusion and spread lies. One of the ways that they do this is by wearing the official Korea Hapkido Federation and NHA uniform. In 1984 the white uniform with black trim and black trim around the cuff of the legs became the official uniform of the Korea Hapkido Federation and authorized to all affiliate organizations such as the NHA. However it has come to our attention that there are people who illegally wear our uniform simply because it is available from some US suppliers. Do not be fooled by these imposters. If they are not listed in our directory, they are not supposed to wear our official uniform. The Kido Hae, World Hapkido Federation, World SinMoo Association all know this. That is why they have their own official uniforms. However, some of their members, desperate to get students, often wear our uniform hoping that unknowing people will be fooled into joining their school. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 10:41:14 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido in the Midwest Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On May 31st (at the end of this month), in Mosinee, Wisconsin, Mr. Dave Pryga, USKMAF 3rd dan (a member of this group), of the Central WI Martial Arts Institute, will host its' annual hapkido seminar featuring Master J. R. West and several of his higher ranking assistants. Dave breaks out the grills for lunch. You can reach Dave at ehccwmai@mtc.net. Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Eric Walker" To: Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 09:47:05 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ego and and other thoughts... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Sims, First, I must say that I'm glad you're posting again. The DD is all the better for your input and lively style. I know where your coming from, since I've never been ego-deficient. Hapkido has helped alot to trim it down though, it's helped me in ways I didn't really think about before I started training again. I certainly didn't expect to start feeling like I have a responsibility towards a martial art, but it has gotten that way lately. I'm being given something that I must be able to give away someday also. I'm interested in the different hapkido "styles" that exist. I'm completely ignorant of what they are (my fault) and what their differences may be. The hapkido that I train has, as far as I know come through two different GM's. Master Toth was with Grandmaster Kim, He Young in the 80's when I first began training in TKD as a young teen, and now is under Grandmaster Park, Jung Hwan. He's been through several other forms of MA also through the 60's and 70's.We call it simply hapkido, or Toth's Self Defense. GM Park's book is called simply "Traditional Hapkido". What is Yon Mu Kwan and what makes it different from Mu Do Kwan? Or any other style for that matter? Keep up the good work everybody on the DD. Thanks again. Eric --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 08:29:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] looks like dirt to me... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is a reply from a Shaolin Kung Fu individual: Its probably Dit-da Jow (traumatolgical linament) of some kind, there are hundreds of varieties (from mild to supernatural in efficacy.) of gunshot or other serious wounds, Probably Tinchat powder. This powdered herb is carried in sachets by Chinese soldiers for such wounds. Regards J. --- "L. Veuleman" wrote: > While on the subject of external medicines, a > 'karate' buddy of mine gave me some stuff the other > day that I found interesting. The product is > 'YUNNAN PAIYAO', made in good ol china, and it is a > brown powdery product with a small red pill located > inside. Supposedly, you are to make a paste with > the powder and rub it on bruises, burns, or > swelling. The red pill is called an emergency > pill, and is to be used only in the case of gunshot > or other serious wounds, and is to be taken with > either wine or water, but wine is suggested. Anyone > ever come in contact with this stuff? Have any > interesting stories with it? I have heard a few > interesting stories from the guy that gave it to me, > but I am not willing to take a bullet for trial and > error process of quality testing. Yours In The > martial Arts, Charlie > Veulemancharlie@bluewavekarate.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 10:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] MA Business Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Charles, again, thanks for the advice. My marital situation is that I am married with 2 beautiful sons (also involved in the martial arts). I work a full time day job 7-4:30 ( I am usually home by 5:30). So it will be a interesting to see how I can work all of this out. I haven't picked out a specific location at this point, I do have a general idea of where I want to look though. I am currently talking to another one of the black belts at the school I am with to see if he would be interested in teaching part time so he can cover early afternoon classes until I get there. He seems to want to come on board and it would work well for him since he is currently a 2nd year college student. Thank you for the compliment. I learned from my HKD instructor, Mst. Stigal, that you should never tire of learning new stuff. It was always humbling for me to see him yield the floor to other instructors to teach his students. Not many instructors are out there like that anymore (at least not in my general area). Mst. Sims, I understand what you are talking about when you talk about the underhanded side of martial arts. I have already experienced a mild form of that. However, another lesson I learned from my Tang Soo Do/Wing Chun instructor, Sifu Gabriel, was that when people talk smack about you, it is usually because you are doing something right and they can't handle that. To me if they are too much of a coward to tell me what they think of me to my face, then I don't bother with their opinoins. I not perfect and will make many mistakes and I am not above having my seniors and juniors tell me I'm messing up. So I will just let everything unfold as it should and we will see what happens. Thank you all for your advice and well wishes. Even though I have a year to prepare, it feels like I have already ran out time and I'm under the gun. Again, if anyone has business stats or know where I can get some concerning the MA industry, please let me know. I am still trying to develope a solid business plan as well as curriculm. Jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 13:40:41 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Tough_stuff_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jason and Glenn: I have not been paying close attention to this discussion so forgive me if I am sharing something that someone might have contributed earlier and that I missed. In my own case this comes from my experience while training in Shudokan back in the 70-s. Practice at our school was conducted on a tongue-&-groove hardwood floor. However the surface, I believe, had been coated with a polyurathane and this over a rather poor finishing job. The result was that rather than work on polished surface, our two-hour classes went back and forth across a floor coated with minute stubble. The result was that after one or two classes new students developed large blisters which broke. The students were encouraged to work out as well as possible on the blisters with a minimum amount of dressing. The skin toughened in short order and such a conditioning process came to identified as a sort of rite of passage for new people. Now the reason I share all of this is that a product called "Tough Skin" came out and was touted to us as being a sound substitution for the sort of self-abusive rite we had come to accept. Students tried using it on their feet and later on their hands for makiwara practice. Initially it seemed to do the trick. The problem was that in time the chemically cornified skin detached from the underlying structure and pulled free. Interstingly what grew back in time was not skin but scar tissue. I have come to believe that the original approach while perhaps distasteful to some not only cornified the epithelial skin cells in a more natural fashion but also conditioned the underlying structures for better adhesion of the skin. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 20:02:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] bent weapons and other curvature points Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Let's see... I've been too busy to write much this week so in no particular order: Craig "Deft In-Filler-of-Blanks" Stovall made a point about sword curvature: 1) From what little I understand (and it is little), Japanese blades were not intentionally forged as curved blades. They were actually forged as straight blades, and they become bowed (curved) as a result of the cooling process. ________________ My poor attempt to respond goes something like this: Matters of size (or its lack) aside, I think you are correct, blade curvature in this style of blade probably wasn't planned the first time out. Forging a sword of this type without curvature is possible at the same level of technology, but requires more effort. For some reason, however, the blade curvature has been preserved. I believe that there may be a good reason for this beyond: "Look at that! This one's bent, too!" Neither Korean nor Japanese craftsmen have struck me as being lazy (as a rule) so I tend to feel that the blade design proved its worth. _____________ Other advantages of the curved blade (other than speculations about cutting power) are that the curvature facilitates drawing as well as reducing the chance of the blade becoming mired in the target. Disadvantages are that curved blades require more training for tactics such as thrusting and enemy blade control. Still, far more important than the idea of curved or straight is that of blade cross-section. This will have a greater impact on the behaviour of the sword on the medium being cut. ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] bent weapons and other curvature points To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 17:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Disadvantages are that curved blades require more training for tactics > such as thrusting and enemy blade control. Anthony... What aspects/concepts of 'enemy blade control' are taught in Haedong Gumdo? Just curious. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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