Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 17:22:04 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #201 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Uniform trim (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Re: Uniform trim (Ray Terry) 3. Uniforms (michael tomlinson) 4. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_News_Coverage=3F=3F?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 5. Official Uniforms and Happy.... (bob smith) 6. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:Traditional_Doboks_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 7. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Working_from_the_inside....?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 8. Ohio seminar (Rudy Timmerman) 9. straight/sword (Michael Whalen) 10. New Dojang thread (Charles Richards) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 00:34:55 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Uniform trim Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray writes: > In 1984 the white uniform with black trim and black trim around the > cuff of the legs > became the official uniform of the Korea Hapkido Federation and > authorized > to all affiliate organizations such as the NHA. Hello Ray: I (and many others) used to wear a similarly trimmed Dobok in the late 60s and early 70s. In those days, students often trimmed their uniform according to the rank they held. In fact, I think they were actually for sale in the trim of your rank. I guess I've been an imposter for a while now, and I did not even know it:) Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Uniform trim To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 03:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > In 1984 the white uniform with black trim and black trim around the > > cuff of the legs > > became the official uniform of the Korea Hapkido Federation and > > authorized > > to all affiliate organizations such as the NHA. > > Hello Ray: > I (and many others) used to wear a similarly trimmed Dobok in the late > 60s and early 70s. In those days, students often trimmed their uniform > according to the rank they held. Yep. I trimmed mine, too. We had to take off the old trim and add the new. Luckily we didn't have as many belt colors as are used these days... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 11:50:29 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Uniforms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have to agree on this one. If you are arguing about the "official" Hapkido uniform then you have missed the whole point of training. It reminds me of all the posers I run into in the Hapkido world. These guys seem to always be concerned with their uniform or their belt or who they know or how many times they have been on vacation to Korea... they very rarely actually talk about techniques or training,,, the uniform means NOTHING!! It is meant for you to train in,, after coaching wrestling for years it makes it even more ludicrous to me to see people get all bent out of shape about a uniform,, wrestlers will train in anything,, it doesn't matter to them "or the Hapkido guys I train with", most of the time we don't even wear uniforms, we just sweat and learn and work out, we wear our "nice" uniforms on occasion or when we go to other schools but most of the time down here in Florida we train in t-shirts and shorts or sweat pants,, I have judo uniforms, hapkido uniforms, wrestling singlets, hakama's etc,,, and you know what, not one uniform changes my technique or makes it better... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:07:13 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_News_Coverage=3F=3F?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ".....This Sunday Korea's royal Yi clan hold their annual memorial ceremonies at Seoul's Chongmyo Shrine, between Chongno and Ch'angdok Palace/Secret Garden, beginning around 9 a.m. ....." Does anyone know a reliable resource that might be covering this event. I don't see myself making it to Seoul anytime soon, but would be very interested to get some insights into this event. Anyone?? How about the wives?? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "bob smith" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 08:42:22 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Official Uniforms and Happy.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Happy Cinco de Mayo to all the KMA People, In celebration tonight, I am going to wear a pink dress with the official World Hapkido Federation symbol. Additionally, waving my internet purchased PhD.(only $39.95, mine is in Korean Studies!) over my head as I drink tequila. Peace & Health Bob Smith The TKD Smith Family _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:21:13 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:Traditional_Doboks_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mark: ".....V necks w/& w/o wtf logo, cross tops of a variety of colors, Judo Gi, Hakama, Kung Fu b&w and blue, Karate 3/4 sleeve, competition styles, HKD black w/white diamonds, HKD white w/black diamonds, Thai boxing shorts, sweats & T- shirts, TKD white w/black trim, and when I was younger I dressed up like Ninja (both white & black...ahhh, those were the days!!!)...." In deference to the traditions of KMA, I have been giving some serious consideration to all of my students wearing the little loin cloth/belts that are worn in Sseirum matches. I know what you are thinking. This is just some transparent attempt to get my two 9th degree BB (Bambi and Christi) into a thong. No Way! They get enough of that at that Gentlemans' Club they dance at. Nope. This is a serious attempt to respect the Korean heritage given into our care ---- Just like Chubby Wannabees' organizations. Oooopppss. Gotta go. My instructors are telling me its time for my daily warm oil massage. These ancient Korean traditions can be SUCH an inconvenience. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:32:25 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Working_from_the_inside....?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Neal: ".....but I have found that dampening an ordinary tea bag with water (Lipton or a similar tea is fine,...." I have heard of this trick and must say that it does a nice job on those sorts of injuries too big for stiptic pencils. Used to be that doctors of old used fresh cobwebs in much the same way, though I am sure the advent of the common band-aid probably moved people away from this practice. BTW: I know that there are a lot of claims made by various oriental preparations and just thought I would pass along the following. Most people are probably familiar with Dit Da Jow, the lotion of Chinese origins that is used often in conjunction with conditioning hands and feet. I would like to attest to the fact that it does a wonderful job minimizing bruising and speeding healing for bruises. I am guessing that one can find it in most MA supply stores. I have bought mine at Midwest MA Supply on Irving Park Road in Chicago. I am always amazed at how quickly bruising subsides and then reverses the day after using it. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:34:53 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Ohio seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings everyone: This is a shameless plug for an upcoming NKMAA seminar with Rudy Timmerman Date: Saturday, June 7, 10:00 am to noon, and 2:00 pm to 6:00 pm Place: North American Martial Arts Institute, One West Main St. Norwalk, OH The seminar is hosted by Master John Orndorff, and I will have Masters Trudeau and Keatley as co presenters. For more information, please contact me at kwanjang@sympatico.ca I hope to see you there! Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Michael Whalen" To: "dojang digest" Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:21:23 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] straight/sword Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks to all the DD members and their valuable feedback on this topic. However, it finally occurred to me that the main disadvantages of the straight and curved swords are purely my lack of training. (and I plan to do something about that!) thanks to all again, michael whalen KSWnut --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:50:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] New Dojang thread Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jeremy and Bruce, Charles, again, thanks for the advice. My marital situation is that I am married with 2 beautiful sons (also involved in the martial arts). I work a full time day job 7-4:30 ( I am usually home by 5:30). So it will be a interesting to see how I can work all of this out. ---------------------------------------------------- Go for the 2 classes 2 nites per week in a big gym and spend lot's of time with your family until you can build a good 50 to 100 students, then switch to full time as posted before. I haven't picked out a specific location at this point, I do have a general idea of where I want to look though. I am currently talking to another one of the black belts at the school I am with to see if he would be interested in teaching part time so he can cover early afternoon classes until I get there. He seems to want to come on board and it would work well for him since he is currently a 2nd year college student. ----------------------------------------------------- Can be a good idea as your school can have twice as many class offerings, with about 1/3 to 1/2 the time commitment of each instructor (you will both be there for BB classes, tests and clinics). I personally am done with equal partnerships (a long story). I like the owner - employee/subcontractor/volunteer model as it leaves questions about new initiatives resolved (whatever the owner wants). Thank you for the compliment. I learned from my HKD instructor, Mst. Stigal, that you should never tire of learning new stuff. It was always humbling for me to see him yield the floor to other instructors to teach his students. Not many instructors are out there like that anymore (at least not in my general area). ------------------------------------------------------ Teaching ability is a requirement for Red in our school and ability to lead warm-ups is a Brown Belt (3rd gup) requirement. I usually get some conditioning in as my senior students lead warm-ups. I have also been coaching them through teaching, at which time I either observe and mentor or line up in the senior position and work out :-) Thank you all for your advice and well wishes. Even though I have a year to prepare, it feels like I have already ran out time and I'm under the gun. Again, if anyone has business stats or know where I can get some concerning the MA industry, please let me know. I am still trying to develope a solid business plan as well as curriculm. -------------------------------------------------------- OK I would start with Andrew Woods' and Jim Graden's Book (Graden has two that I bought from him through eBay). Woods' book has a kinda "go-by" business plan and balance sheet. It would be good to go through all the steps in Woods' book. I can help with some sources and rules of thumb for stats, but I choose to answer those questions in an off-list more specific dialogue if you're so inclined. To add onto that last sentence by Charles let me say that many MA teachers have made a point of dedicating a part of their house to MA instruction. Having said that, let me also say that when in doubt about things, I tend to delve back into history and examine how things were done by people before us. Here some things to consider. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- We started in my 20x20 garage with two 9 year olds one day a week. Within six months we had 6 students taking a 9th gup exam and about 6 people in plastic chairs watching the exam. After that we moved to a daycare (2 days per week) and then to our tiny commercial site. Most teachers in the Orient were, or had been otherwise employed or supported. ... The full-time MA teacher who instructs out of a rented space as a full-time, self-supporting occupation is actually a recent (post 1950) and rare situation. The number of dedicated students who will make an on-going committment to your establishment in sufficient numbers to maintain such a venture will take quite a while to accrue. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IMHO you must have a successful process that brings in new students on a predictable regular basis or you will always be at risk for some or all of your hobby studio's bills, so in that case I would vote for no rent in your basement/garage. In the meantime you will find yourself moderating your position and material in deference to retaining students. In order not to fall into this position you can a.) have a day job that minimizes your economic dependency on your venture, or b.) teach non-commercially by either volunteering your skills to an agency or teaching through an agency which will compensate you for your services. I do both of the latter and have never regetted it. The small amount I earn off-sets the expenses I might otherwise incurr for my own training. And I am not beholding to anyone for what I choose to do with my KMA career. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce I'll take a stand that the opening of that statement is somewhat of a copout. IMHO c.) we have to moderate the presentation of our cirriculum so that it is interesting and safe enough for enough of our students to train for a predictable long enough period for us to meet all the expenses of our dojang (consistently every month) beit in our garage or rent for space. Otherwise we are taking money away from our families to support our hobby of passion. Parts of this thread are not repeated to honor Master Terry's request. Please see the archives to fill in the gaps and sorry for the lengthy post. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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