Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 03:01:52 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #208 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Questions re: origins and mimickings (Khalkee@netscape.net) 2. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Answer?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 3. Hapkido movies (Klaas Barends) 4. RE: medical advice on rec.m (Kirk Lawson) 5. Visa Question (Ali Alnasser) 6. Fulbright Forum Friday May 16 (fwd) (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:38:28 -0400 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Questions re: origins and mimickings Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >With the below in mind (with the thought that it is true), > my question is to all those who ask these questions.... > who really cares! Well, obviously all those who question care, yes? >> Why the Korean culture is bound and >> determined to mimic Japanese MA when >> they already have quite a culture of >> martial Science of their own bests >> the heck out of me. FWIW. I'm not saying anything unknown, but let's remember how Korea was dominated by the Japanese, during which time indigienous martial practices were repressed. Consider the effects of colonialization and enforced repression of cultural expressions on cultures around the world. The dynamics are the same ... in some places the ways of the colonizer become more highly valued than the indigenous ways and their influence will persist even after the colonizer is gone. Sometimes the colonizer will mimick the colonized, assimilating the ways of the colonized as their own ... and superior, of course. "Well, uh, we always had this!!! Sez so right here in our history book . . ." __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:56:33 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Answer?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear J. : ".....With the below in mind (with the thought that it is true), my question is to all those who ask these questions....who really cares!....." I have heard this question more times than I really care to, but perhaps its time to give you an answer. In the past couple of years I have been exposed people who sell rank and certifications. I have been exposed to people who make up their own "Korean" martial arts. I have been exposed to people who mix and match various activities with impunity and market it as "traditional". I have witnessed a variety of personalities including a large number of Korean nationals who give little or nothing back to Korean traditions, but are not above selling their own culture if it will give them a leg up in money or prestige. Lets take it a step farther. I have also been exposed to a small army of folks who will discuss the most pedestrian aspects of KMA including the most base level of competition, No-holds-barred garbage, and whiney "my GM is better than your GM bull ad nauseum. However, ask an intelligent question, request citations or supportive material, attempt an intelligent exchange of resources and the conversation dries up in no time at all. So... You ask "who cares?" and my response to you, Mr. J. is that "I care" and my interests, goals, intentions and values are at least as valid as yours.If you don't have the intelligence or resources to participate in the discussion wait for the next round of "could Yong Sul Choi beat up Claude VanDamme?" or some other equally insipid exchange. Against that opportunity you might want to try taking notes and recording some of what is said here so that in the years to come you can speak with some sort of authority about what you do. The alternative is to move to Forida, put on some weight and expound on matters that can only serve to embarrass you in front of your peers. In fact I suspect I can recommend an individual down there whose organization and values are probably a fine fit for yours. Yes, I think I can put that together. Now I realize that this response is more that a post-puberescent troll who is unwilling to sign his name deserves. But then, thats probably why you are unable to contribute anything more to the discussion that you did. Regards, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:55:25 +0200 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido movies Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Warning: shameless plug :-) Hi all, right now our sabunim Ko Baek Yong is visiting the Netherlands. Many people are shooting videos and pictures ofcourse, thought I might share some of them with you http://www.hapkido.nl/index.php?mode=movie Any comments? -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:50:00 -0500 From: Kirk Lawson Organization: Heapy Engineering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ("THE$DOJA@SMTP {the_dojang@martialartsresource.net}") Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] medical advice on rec.m Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:34:36 -0500 > From: "Burdick, Dakin R" > To: > Subject: [The_Dojang] medical advice on rec.ma > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I wrote: > > >I remember an M.D. mentioning that the stuff works > > great, but may have nasty side effects. > > Kirk Lawson (a blast from the past!) wrote: > > >Robert Shin maybe? > > I think you're right!! It's been a 8-10 years, so I can't be > sure, but it sounds right. There are a few Dr.'s and knowledgable hobiest that come through, but Shin is a staple. > I'm glad I'm not the only guy still interested in yabbering away about > the martial arts! > Thanks for the invite back Kirk, but time does not allow. I love your > quotation from > Chas: > > "A herd of martial artists gets together and a fight breaks > out; quelle surprise." Chas is a classic. :-) > I think that explains why I do this and Iaido-L instead! :) Sometimes it's not all that different. > Is there a searchable archive > for rec.ma these days? I'm sure the technology has improved! Yeah. Google (http://groups.google.com) has a good archive that goes all the way back to RMA's inception. They get just about every other NG there is too. > Take care, And you also. P.S., Your Dissertation is occasionally referenced, particularly on the Western martial arts lists (such as the [western-arts] yahoo group). The most popular part is the Throws Chart. The only complaint I've ever seen is a wish that the chart would have been more exhaustive. :-) Peace favor your sword --- "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Ali Alnasser" To: Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 05:03:44 +0900 (KST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Visa Question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I applied for a C-3 visa from the Korean consulate this afternoon and I was informed it good for 90-days per visit and valid for 5 years. My question is: What is the cheapest route to re-enter Korea? They informed me to either travel to Hong Kong or Japan but I was told there's an Japanese island not too far via boat from Busan. Could anyone advise me on this matter? Thanks in advance! [TABLE NOT SHOWN][TABLE NOT SHOWN][IMAGE] --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 21:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Fulbright Forum Friday May 16 (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: FULBRIGHT FORUM!! Fulbright in Seoul (the Korean American Educational Commission) is pleased to invite you to attend the Fulbright Forum for May, which will be held this Friday, May 16, 2003, at 6:30 p.m. at the Commission offices in Mapo. This speaker this month will be Ms. Johanna Kuhn-Osius, a 2002-2003 Fulbright Junior Research Fellow in Korea. Ms. Kuhn-Osius graduated from Pomona College with a B.A. in Asian Studies in 2002, where she wrote her senior thesis on Korean stupas (pagodas), and their religious context. The topic of the presentation this month will be: "Sacred Geography: Mountains and Buddhism in Korea" Sacred mountains can be found in many religions and cultures, but Korea has a particularly long history of mountains as sacred ground. The connection between mountains and the spiritual or supernatural has manifested itself in Korean Buddhism in a variety of interesting ways, such as the incorporation of mountain spirits into the Buddhist pantheon, mountains with Buddhist names, mountains as three-dimensional mandalas, and the belief that bodhisattvas (Buddhist "saints") literally dwell on some peaks of the Korean peninsula. This presentation will explore these issues in the past and present, and will include pictures of important sites. We welcome to the May Fulbright Forum all Fulbrighters, senior scholars, graduate students and ETAs, as well as Board Members, Fulbright alumni, Peace Corps alumni, Korean studies scholars, foreign graduate students, RAS members, and any other interested friends of Korea or members of the Fulbright family. The presentation will be followed by a buffet reception (in lieu of dinner.) We hope many friends will come to enjoy the lecture, the discussion, and the food. Place: Fulbright Building 168-15 Yomni-dong, Mapo-gu see maps on our website: www.fulbright.or.kr or call Mrs. Lee: 3275-4000 for directions Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 Time: 6:30 p.m. See you this Friday! Horace H. Underwood, Executive Director Korean-American Educational Commission (Fulbright) Seoul, Korea hhu@fulbright.or.kr --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustugold@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest