Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:42:06 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #211 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Greetings from the way west (SEXTONR003@hawaii.rr.com) 2. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Sure_thing,_Jeff?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 3. Frustrating Dilemma (RMoore7619@aol.com) 4. RE: wrestling and throws (Kirk Lawson) 5. NK Terrorism (Ray Terry) 6. Re: Mimics? (Kent Frazier) 7. Knee Exercises for Strengthening & Injury Prevention? (adam flanders) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: To: Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:30:43 -1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Greetings from the way west Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Ya'll...Or should I say ALOHA! Aloha is good. While you're on Oahu, if you get tired of the tourist thing, stop by the most beautiful dojang in the world and work out. Just ask for directions to Magic Island at Ala Moana Park. Go past the Tahitian drummers and dancers (you may stop and admire the way their hips move briefly) to the big Banyan Tree at the Ewa side of the point. (Directions on this island are Makua (towards the mountains), Makai (towards the ocean), Ewa (a town on the leeward side), and Diamondhead (on the windward side). Go till you hear the waves pounding on the shore and you'll be there. Class starts at 7pm in the daylight as the sun is setting over Pearl Harbor and ends in the darkness as the trade winds serve as an air conditioner on your sweat. Class is on Tuesday and Thursday and 2 Saturdays. a month. You can even be the guest instructor. Sir Randall of Oahu www.LaughingHara.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:56:30 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Sure_thing,_Jeff?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jeff: I wanted to take a moment to jot off a post to you to let you know that you are right. If I have this little exchange figured correctly it won't matter to you WHAT I say, because the issue probably has very little to do with me, and I have not an ice cubes' chance in Hell of saying anything that you will respect or regard positively. All the same, perhaps it might be of some assistance to others to see your communication addressed.You certainly gave me enough invitations, so lets take a quick look. First off, I don't have any fear of using my name here on the DD. I have been a member for a while and I am guessing that most people know pretty much where I stand on things. Hiding behind an initial, or an alias, or a title is not my idea of responsible membership and using my name is my way of saying that I stand behind what I am offering (for better or worse).Apparently others support this view since even folks such as Rudy and JR are willing to forego their well-earned positions and titles and make themselves available on a first-name basis. You are also correct in assuming that I have a small library of materials that I reference on a regular basis, and cross-reference for clues to even further investigation. I am a teacher, and folks that I offer material to deserve to get the most accurate information I can find. Of course, folks such as Ray, Dakin and others will let you know that I an not infallible, and that too is part of the process. Thirdly, you are also correct that I spend not a little time researching, investigating, correlating and questioning. The results of what I do, often provided free of charge to anyone who reads or asks, may well come across as a bit too stuffy. I don't have a problem with that. For every one or two like me there are, perhaps, hundreds of folks whose only resource is the latest pulp magazine and whose training regime is mixing and matching disparate arts. As I said in my last post there is room for your view, here, and there is also room for mine. Nobody is putting a gun to your head to read my stuff. I think I have had occasion to disagree with Dakin, Rick, Rudy, Ray and a host of others on occasion and I am guessing that this Net is the better for all of us NOT moving in lock-step. Whatever your aversion to what I write its there for you to do with as you please. I don't get paid for my time and efforts and as such I don't have any hidden agenda in what I write. Finally, let me say that my intention is to leave the KMA a little better for my having been involved in this field. Though I belong to a couple of organizations I don't promote these and have earned quite a bit of trust from some very untrusting students because of it. I am certainly not interested in starting an organization of my own, making a lot of money, being a commercial success, or accruing a large following. I have some skills, experience and beliefs that I share freely in the hopes that other peoples KMA exeprience will be the better for it. In closing, if I have things figured right, you will be using an "angry" or "irritated" voice in your head to listen to this message as you read it. Thats part of the reason there is a lot of miscommunication with e-mails. There are simply no other cues to tell us what is going on with the speaker. Let me tell you that as I wrote this I felt no anger or irritation with you. Little Disappointment? Maybe a little Frustration? Yeah, probably. But, honestly, you have given me more reason to reach out than you may know. You may be one of those folks who could use a bit of expansion in your views, and oddly enough, thats exactly the folks to whom I am writing. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:40:55 -0400 From: RMoore7619@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Frustrating Dilemma Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Luke wrote: <> Luke, many universities will have a martial arts program available for faculty, staff and students. Sometimes the program is offered for physical education credits, and sometimes they are offered in the afternoons as part of a sports club program. Either way they are normally inexpensive in order to appeal to students. Check with whoever operates the sports facility at your university. If your university has neither, then you should look for a group of individuals who are interested in training and establish a time for you all to meet and workout. It has been my experience that universities have many individuals in the same situation as yourself and are also looking for someone to train with. Bobby Moore --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 9:38:00 -0500 From: Kirk Lawson Organization: Heapy Engineering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ("THE$DOJA@SMTP {the_dojang@martialartsresource.net}") Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] wrestling and throws Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:55:30 -0500 > From: "Burdick, Dakin R" > To: > Subject: [The_Dojang] wrestling and throws > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Thanks! I did that chart after my advisor got lost in the techniques > and suggested > a guide to the technique comparisons might be helpful. Understandable. > The reason it doesn't go > very far is because I really couldn't. I was limited by the > books that actually named > the techniques. The Japanese are very particular about naming every > variation, but > the British wrestlers didn't have that sort of practice, at least in > their written works. I've noticed that. I've also noticed some, errr... "variation" in western naming as well. Cross Buttock in one may be something else in another. And the Trippet > If someone would go chat with some of the old hookers [that's a pro > wrestling term > folks -- not the OTHER kind!], and collect some of the oral tradition, > we might > extrapolate further. Who is still around these days? Lou > Thesz? That might be a good idea! Now *that* would be cool. > Oh, and check out Farmer Burns' manual -- it's not half > bad. I downloaded the Farmer Burns lessons (http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competition/Burns/lessons/lesson01.htm) and am slowly reading through them. I haven't seen a lot of takedowns/throws yet, but it's all good stuff. :-) > Eventually I'll redo my hapkido manual, and when I do it will include > not only the > Korean terminology, but also the Japanese and English (and > Chinese if I can manage it!). Now, *that* would be great. Be sure to advertise the feature as widely as possible please. Pop on over to RMA and the western arts lists and let us know. Peace favor your sword --- "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 06:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] NK Terrorism Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What Kind of Terrorism Does North Korea Sponsor? By Brendan I. Koerner Once again, the State Department has officially cited North Korea as one of seven "designated state sponsors of terrorism." Yet the Stalinist "Hermit Kingdom" is certainly no breeding ground for the likes of al-Qaida or Hezbollah. How exactly does North Korea sponsor terrorism? According to the State Department, mainly by selling missile technology to the likes of Libya and Syria, two other members of the ominous list. There is also ample evidence that Kim Jong-il's regime has knowingly sold smaller weapons to separatist groups; three years ago, the Philippines publicly alleged that North Korea did an arms deal with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front. Such sales are believed to be one of North Korea's few sources of hard currency, along with counterfeiting and other criminal activities. In terms of direct terrorist action, however, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (as the nation is formally known) has been relatively quiet since 1987, when it's believed to have orchestrated the bombing of Korean Airlines Flight 858. That attack is thought to have been a tactic to scare tourists away from visiting the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul; Kim Jong-il was miffed that his country had not been asked to co-host the games. North Korean operatives were also behind a 1983 attempt on the life of South Korean President Chun Doo Hwan, who was scheduled to visit a memorial in Rangoon, Burma (now Myanmar). A traffic delay may have saved the president's life: The timed bombs went off before his arrival, killing 17 South Korean dignitaries instead. South Korea also believes that its northern neighbor was behind the 1996 assassination of a South Korean diplomat in Vladivostok, Russia. The killing closely followed a warning from Pyongyang that it would take action if South Korea did not repatriate the bodies of several North Korean spies. Every year, the State Department also mentions North Korea's harboring of four members of the Japanese Communist League-Red Army Faction. These terrorists were involved in the 1970 hijacking of a Japan Airlines jet, sometimes referred to as the "Yodogo Incident." They flew the plane to the DPRK, hoping to found an operational base from which they could foment a worldwide proletariat revolution. These Red Army members (originally nine in number) were allegedly later responsible for ordering the kidnappings of several Japanese citizens and spiriting them away to North Korea in the hopes of brainwashing them into becoming Communist loyalists. Japan still demands the extradition of the surviving four hijackers left in the DPRK, but Pyongyang shows no signs of relenting after all these years. Bonus Explainer: Another splinter group of the Japanese Communist League-Red Army Faction, known as the Japanese Red Army, is believed responsible for the 1972 massacre at Israel's Lod Airport and may still be limping along. According to the latest State Department report, it maintains "six hardcore members" who may be hiding out in Lebanon. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:02:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Kent Frazier To: Digest Dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Mimics? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello again Bruce. I have been thinking for a while about just the subject you bring up here. I personally am of the opinion that what is presented doesn't have to be originally Korean. In fact, it is really difficult to find authentic Korean material, as I am sure you are aware. I agree that it is a bit dishonest to teach a form as traditionally Korean when in fact the instructor took it from some other non-Korean source. When an instructor introduces something into his/her art, it would be ideal if that person always explained where it came from to avoid misleading the students. In regard to incorporating non-Korean material, though, it is important to remember that most of Korea's martial arts are derived from earlier arts of China and Japan. Korea has its own martial tradition as well, but its scope is much narrower than either of these martial arts giants. Much, indeed perhaps most, of this influence comes from Japanese arts. I have never really understood your huge objection to the connection there. I understand that the Japanese mistreated the Koreans while they occupied Korea. That is a travesty, but hiding the origin of many Korean martial arts is hardly going to rectify anything. You are also right that we should look at the influence the Chinese had on the KMA. Some styles have quite a bit of Chinese influence. I wonder why it is perfectly acceptable to you to admit and even laud the Chinese influence in the KMA, while you seem to downplay the importance of Japanese influence. How exactly should we go about adding new forms or techniques to a style? You seem to really favor teh MYDBTJ, but from what I know of it, it is basically a Korean translation of an earlier Chinese text. How is it more traditional to bring in these Chinese forms? Is it because the Koreans themselves decided to emulate the Chinese? I could see your point to a degree, there, if that is how you feel. However, I feel like adopting forms from the MYDBTJ is no better or worse than adapting a Japanese form to a Korean martial art, or any other source for that matter. Perhaps that is just Bruce Lee talking through me. Anyway, I am sure you have very good reasons to believe the way you do, and I anticipate your response. i am sure it will be well-thought-out as usual. Until then, Kent Frazier P.S. I am pretty tired, so I am not entirely sure how cohesive this post is. Here's hoping you can pull my meaning out if its a bit muddled. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "adam flanders" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:51:59 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Knee Exercises for Strengthening & Injury Prevention? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello everybody, Does anyone have any advice for strengthening a knee injury? My injury was a torsional strain to the inside of my left knee when I performed an improper right high roundhouse kick (I should've known better--I know, I know....acck!). I perform some standard weight-lifting exercises like leg presses, leg extensions and such, but didn't know if someone might recommend an exercise or practice that might succeed in strengthening its stability again... Does anyone recommend some exercises they do to prevent such injuries in the first place...aside from using proper form when you kick? Dakin and Ray, I remember your sound advice about practicing with the pork chop pads...anyone else do anything different when it comes to knee protection? Thanks! 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