Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:18:01 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #212 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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(U) Lethalo Martial Art (Boit Clinton L Capt 67 IOW/MO) 2. The Other Kind of Hookers (Stovall, Craig) 3. Bruce's Post (Ali Alnasser) 4. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:Clarification_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 5. Let me just say this Bruce... (FirstPe315@aol.com) 6. Re: knee strengthening exercises (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 7. The Way Alone (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 8. Notice: Stanford TKD Spring Open Tournament (Patrick Lu) 9. Wisconsin Seminar (J.R. West) 10. Jung Shin Spirit (Rudy Timmerman) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Boit Clinton L Capt 67 IOW/MO To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:18:40 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] (U) Lethalo Martial Art Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Please check out: http://www.lethalo.com The website states that this martial art is the most effective style ever, and you can master it on-line by purchasing four courses. Looks a like a crock of you know what. Anyone know of this so-called martial art? --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:25:05 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] The Other Kind of Hookers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<< If someone would go chat with some of the old hookers [that's a pro wrestling term folks -- not the OTHER kind!], and collect some of the oral tradition, we might extrapolate further. Who is still around these days? Lou Thesz? That might be a good idea! Oh, and check out Farmer Burns' manual -- it's not half bad.>>> A good source would be Karl Gotch. Last I heard/read he was in the Tampa area down in Florida. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Ali Alnasser" To: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 02:34:39 +0900 (KST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Bruce's Post Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry Bruce but I'm not the author of this: Dear Ali: <<".....The dynamics are the same ... in some places the ways of the colonizer become more highly valued than the indigenous ways and their influence will persist even after the colonizer is gone.....">>[TABLE NOT SHOWN] [TABLE NOT SHOWN][TABLE NOT SHOWN][IMAGE] --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:07:12 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:Clarification_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Kent: It was great to hear from you again, especially if the comments you made about my views are shared by a large number of other folks. Let me see if I can adjust things a bit here. First off, I don't know that I have any "objections" to using Japanese traditions. Its not as though I have some deep-seated grudge against the Japanese culture. I think what I am advocating is greater balance in this matter. I have been in discussions where people have gone so far as to say that Korean has no martial traditions except what they got from Japan and that all of any other traditions died out well before the Japanese Occupation. Thats just not true and the MYTBTJ that I am so fond of citing is only one of a number of books that crop up in Korean history and speak to their traditions. Korea has its own traditions and most of everything else was borrowed from Japan and China. Thats fine. I honestly don't have an issue with this. I just can't figure why the emphasis from most pratitioners of Korean arts is always on the Japanese side. Japanese have swordsmanship, but then, so did the Chinese. Both cultures have stick, spear, staff, truncheon, empty-hand grappling and so forth. Both cultures have forms/kata/hyung but the emphasis always seems to fall on the Japanese side of the house. I'll say it again-- its not that I have some grudge against Japanese culture. I simply don't understand why the KMA --- and the Koreans themselves would rather eschew connections with Chinese traditions and cling to the Japanese stuff. I even noticed that some of our more serious kata people are backing up to Okinawa to get more authentic material. Why not back up to the animal styles of Southern China if you are going to do that? Gawd knows, I can make a place for Japanese influence in my practice. The hyung of Yon Mu Kwan are heavily influenced by TKD and in turn back to Japanese Karate. But wouldn't it only be reasonable to include material from the Chinese side to keep a balanced representation of the origins of KMA? Its not that it would then be MORE traditional, but at least it would be AS traditional, yes? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 From: FirstPe315@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:48:56 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Let me just say this Bruce... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce- On the contrary, I like you feel no anger whatsoever. You think you may be too stuffy at times and you don't care, I don't care either. I am often not politically correct in my views and I really don't care what others think either. The fact that you know people personally on this list and you think signing your name means you are willing to "back up what you say" is your business. I don't think that necessarily means anthing. I have respect for all views (whether I agree or not) but I don't feel a need to write Master Jeff this or what have you in an effort to gain more attention. And you know Bruce, there are people on these sort of lists who are very "attention seeking" (to use a phrase from the Juvenile Corrections field with which I am involved) in their behavior. I choose to be completely the opposite. Is there something wrong with this? Isn't that what most of us need to be striving for in the martial-arts anyway? And you are right in the misjudging of tone and intention in e-mails, I have indeed given you the wrong impression (or you have misjudged...take your pick) that I don't find anything you say worthy. On the contrary, despite your extensive verbage, I think you have a good deal of knowledge and I would agree with many things that you say. Just because I don't choose to wax philosophical on EVERY thread in this list (this is for you JT) has nothing to do with anything, that's my business. I have no understanding on why that is not respected. I hope that you and JT are not assuming that those who speak less (usually a sign of wisdom BTW) or who lurk or just like to read, have any less authority to speak when they actually do. Frankly, that is not logical! Honestly, from what I read, I am slightly more open-minded than you are so the thought that I need some "expansion in my views" I think is interesting. I would disagree with that. Anyway, I thought your response to me was actually appropriate and quite level-headed. Just remember, I did nothing to you or said nothing ill of you and your initial response from my insignificant e-mail was inappropriate and uncalled for in my opinion. You lashed out at me. And are we not taught to defend ourselves when attacked? Of course! Thus, my response I think was appropriate. Lastly, just to clarify, my initial e-mail on the list was more in line with what you were saying about your ability to change my mind about anything. Those who look at Hapkido this way or that are mostl entrenched in their thinking. The "true" roots cannot truly be found. What resource you bring in or I would likely contradict each other and ad infinitum... For example, the Kyuk Too Ki (Korean "kickboxing") is believed by the Koreans to have originated in Egypt (due to cave paintings). This art is exactly the same as Muy Thai and those in the Phillipines would greatly disagree with this origin. Who borrowed it from who? Those in the Muy Thai world have their beliefs and vice versa with the Koreans. This is true with the argument I delved in on. There is only each persons personal beliefs about the information they have and how THEY choose to interpret it, nothing else. My point is that the argument will continue with no end or resolution in sight. I personally could care less (although your dissertations are interesting). I guess if others choose to continue on, so be it! Didn't mean to indicate that you didn't have the right. I have no ill-will toward you Bruce and I don't dislike you in any way. Hell, I don't even know you. My subject said "Let me just say this". Ouch! Apparently, you are beginning to rub off on me. Jeff In a message dated 5/14/2003 8:33:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > In closing, if I have things figured right, you will be using an "angry" > or "irritated" voice in your head to listen to this message as you read it. > > Thats part of the reason there is a lot of miscommunication with e-mails. > There are simply no other cues to tell us what is going on with the > speaker. Let me tell you that as I wrote this I felt no anger or irritation > > with you. Little Disappointment? Maybe a little Frustration? Yeah, > probably. But, honestly, you have given me more reason to reach out than > you may know. You may be one of those folks who could use a bit of > expansion in your views, and oddly enough, thats exactly the folks to whom > I am writing. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:26:54 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: knee strengthening exercises Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 5/14/2003 10:33:07 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > Does anyone have any advice for strengthening a knee injury? hi adam, i'd recommend some low weight leg extensions. sitting on a table with your lower legs hanging, extend the lower leg from vertical to horizontal. also, turn over on your stomach, leg straight, then bend your knee, bringing your foot to your butt. first exercise works your muscle group in your quad, second'll strengthen the hams. take care of yourself, though, and dont overdo. slowly increase the weight resistance over a period of weeks. take care and good luck, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1-573-673-2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1-877-847-4072 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:09:31 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] The Way Alone Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Luke, What you are facing and experiencing is very common. You didn't say what level you are at. But as long as you have a good founding of the basics you should be OK in practicing alone. I have black belts right now that are experiencing the same thing you are. First, as Bruce indicated to you, training alone takes self-control, perserverence and an indominable spirit. I'm sure if you are Tang Soo you have heard those thiongs a few times. I have spent a lot of time training alone myself. It involves being your own instructor and student. It involves analyzing what you are doing and what you could do to improve. Spend a lot of time working on the basics, mechanics of motion for speed, power and efficiency. And don't let yourself whine about not learning new forms and stuff. In my experience, its not how many forms or other stuff you know that leads to self-mastery, its how well you understand and perform what you do know. After all, it only takes a few hours to learn a new form. (And I am in no way knocking forms. I love them.) By the way there is a book, The Way Alone, forgot the author that deals with training alone. It might be helpful. You have already gotten some very good suggestions from others. The sports group was very helpful to me when I was in college long ago. In fact, I taught in what we called the free university, which was kind of alt ed. But it was the first time I was ever exposed to a lot of the styles. Many of the people who worked out with me were low dans in lots of other styles. Gave us lots of opportunity to understand the basics of lots of different styles. But the key is you have to set up and commit to regular and constant training. I would suggest from experience that you set a schedule of training x times/week for a total of y hours. This was much more workable for me than practicing at 7 every evening, or at 6 every morning. I have an edan in law school who trains once or twice a week with another school about an hour away when she can, then trains for a break in reading and studying in her apartment. Is her physical conditioning as good as when she was training more? No. But, on the other hand, I believe she is a much better martial artist because she has made improvements in technique and overall understanding in the last year. By the way, we focus a lot on forms when she is able to make it home. Good Luck! Tang Soo! Danny Dunn --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Patrick Lu" To: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:20:37 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Notice: Stanford TKD Spring Open Tournament Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Friends of Stanford Taekwondo: On May 31st the Stanford University Taekwondo Program will host the 2003 Stanford Taekwondo Spring Open Tournament. Here are some of the features: Matted Rings Electronic Scoring Online Registration (save $5.00!) True Match Numbering (know ahead: ring, color and match no.) Experienced judges/referees 40.00 one OR two events (register online: 35.00) includes free tournament t-shirt (for first 100 registrants) Special this year: If you have ever placed 1st - 4th at the U.S. Senior Nationals in the Black Belt Division and are competing in the 2003 Spring Open, Stanford Taekwondo will provide one night free lodging in the official tournament hotel. "At Stanford, the tournament is for the benefit of the COMPETITOR." Tournament Link: http://www.stanford.edu/group/Taekwondo/spropen2003/ (If you are thinking of competing, contact the tournament directors and they will help in any way they can) Hope to see you there! T. Ghormley Tournament Director, 2003 Stanford Taekwondo Spring Open Head Coach - Program Director Stanford University Taekwondo Program Dept. of Athletics 375 Santa Teresa Street Stanford, CA 94305-8125 Tel. (650) 482-9727 --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "J.R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:09:14 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Wisconsin Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I want to reiterate that I will be in Mosinee WI on the 31st of May for an all day HapKiDo seminar as the guest of Mr. Dave Pryga and the Central Wisconsin Martial Arts Institute. I will be accompanied by Dr. (as of May 23rd) Tavassoli, Mr. Watkins, Dr. Collipp and one or two other draft choices to be named at a later date. We will be departing Jackson, MS on Thursday evening in the "stealth van" and will hopefully arrive in WI on Fri. morning in time to get our 1st $9, 24 oz. steak for the day. Mr. Pryga will be testing for his HapKiDo chodan on Saturday during the seminar, and we have brought enough folks to be continually throwing fresh people at him during the course of the day. I hope a couple of DD members get to make the trip up and allow me to put faces to the names on the list. For those the are planning on making the trip, our hotel has an beautiful indoor pool and hot tub, (and of course the $9 steaks next door) and I can seem to vaguely remember some very deep martial art discussions being carried on in that tub .....right, GM Timmerman? If anyone has any questions, feel free to contact me, or Dave Pryga at ehccwmai@mtc.net .......Thanx....J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 00:27:47 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Jung Shin Spirit Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bobby writes: > Luke, many universities will have a martial arts program available for > faculty, staff and students. Sometimes the program is offered for > physical education credits, and sometimes they are offered in the > afternoons as part of a sports club program. Either way they are > normally inexpensive in order to appeal to students. Check with > whoever operates the sports facility at your university. Hello Luke: As Bobby writes, there are many opportunities for you in a University setting; however, they may not come to your doorstep. I set up an entire martial art program while I attended University, and the going was rough. The powers to be cited bad past experiences, fear of injuries, other programs, and a host of other good reasons for reasons not to give me the space I needed. This just made me more determined, and I went to work on ways to combat these issues. One of my ways to combat it was to run for Student Senate. Once elected, no small feat for an old dude back in a college full of young folks, I set about ways to make things happen. The end of the story is a martial art program that is still going strong many years after I graduated. Like Bruce said, things are tough, but that is when true martial artists shine:) You can do it! Rudy --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustugold@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest