Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:35:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #213 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Kaesong in History and Memory (Ray Terry) 2. (re)Construction of Korean Tradition (Burdick, Dakin R) 3. Re: Let me just say this Bruce... (J T) 4. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Wisconsin_Seminar_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 5. Japanese to Korean (Chris LaCava) 6. Re: Knee Injury (DPRYGA) 7. Lethalo Martial Art (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 8. Waxing Philoso-fickle... (Eric Walker) 9. wrestling and throws (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 10. RE: Waxing Philoso-fickle... (Wallace, John) 11. West Seminar in WI (Rudy Timmerman) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 05:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Kaesong in History and Memory Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: I know this goes out pretty late, but if you're in the Cambridge (Mass) area, you may find the following workshop on Kaesong, which takes place on Saturday, interesting. Kaesong in History and Memory Workshop on the history and historical representation of Kaesong, ancient capital of the Koryo dynasty (918-1392) Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. Seminar Room 3 625 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138 Schedule 10:00 Welcome & introduction 10:10 "Temples of Kaesong" - Sem Vermeersch, Harvard University 10:50 "Kaesong as Burial Ground: An Examination of Burials of the Koryo Elite" - Charlotte Horlyck, Victoria & Albert Museum 11:30 "Geomantic Ideas that Influenced the City Development of Kaesong" Yoon Hong-key, University of Auckland 12:10 "Kaesong in the Eyes of Choson Dynasty Intellectuals" Sonja Haeussler, University of Berlin ~ Lunch break (12:50-1:30 pm) ~ 1:30 "Quietly Crying at The Melancholic Chirping of InsectsŠ": Kaesong's Forgotten Claim to Capital History Remco Breuker, University of Leiden 2:10 "Symbol of Hope or just another Failure? The Free Economic Zone in Kaesong" - Ruediger Frank, Columbia University 2:50 "Monuments of Kaesong - its Development as a Tourist Site" Tony Michell , Cambridge University 3:30 General Discussion _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Sponsored by the Harvard Korea Institute and the Min Young-Chul Memorial Fund Harvard University Internet Home Page: www.fas.harvard.edu/~korea/ --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:43:36 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] (re)Construction of Korean Tradition Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce wrote: >First off, I don't know that I have any "objections" to using Japanese traditions. Its not as though I have some deep-seated grudge against the Japanese culture. I think what I am advocating is greater balance in this matter. I have been in discussions where people have gone so far as to say that Korean has no martial traditions except what they got from Japan and that all of any other traditions died out well before the Japanese Occupation. Nope. They still had ssireum and t'aekkyeon, and of course archery. >the MYTBTJ that I am so fond of citing is only one of a number of books that crop up in Korean history and speak to their traditions. Can you post a list of the other books on the Korean martial traditions? Maybe we could get Stanley Henning to contrast that list to Chinese martial classics. >I just can't figure why the emphasis from most pratitioners of Korean arts is always on the Japanese side. Because the Japanese were strong enough to take over Korea, and in fact defeat the Chinese in the Sino-Japanese War to do so. >I simply don't understand why the KMA --- and the Koreans themselves would rather eschew connections with Chinese traditions and cling to the Japanese stuff. Because most of the Chinese (PRC) are Communists. And so is North Korea. I'm sure if you looking in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, you would find more wushu (I mean, musul). >I even noticed that some of our more serious kata people are backing up to Okinawa to get more authentic material. Why not back up to the animal styles of Southern China if you are going to do that? They would if they could. If you can make a definite connection in that lineage, I'm sure lots of people would listen. Patrick McCarthy is definitely aiming that way. But lineage is still important to many people, rather than being interested in efficiency. And if efficiency is important, then we wouldn't be just looking at the Chinese, right? Then boxing and wrestling and capoeira and mallakalla and silat and kalaripayattu and muay Thai and everything else would be fair game too. >But wouldn't it only be reasonable to include material from the Chinese side to keep a balanced representation of the origins of KMA? Its not that it would then be MORE traditional, but at least it would be AS traditional, yes? Not really. Traditional relates to what people do. Kwan-Sik Myung, for example, has a very strong system that really looks very much like a Japanese style. That is "tradition." You would prefer to do more Chinese material, which is great, but what you are calling for is a new construction of Korean identity, which we would impose on the Koreans just as the orientalism that Edward Said talks about. It may be fun and it may introduce new challenging material to the syllabus, but one can't call it "traditional." It is at best reconstructed tradition. The Japanese have done this with some old martial styles. The styles were dead and were "reconstructed" by looking at scrolls. It may be interesting and fun, but it is hardly authentic. And Bruce, you know I can go either way on this. My hapkido is very eclectic, but my iaido is very traditional. I love 'em both. Yours in the Arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 06:49:55 -0700 (PDT) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Let me just say this Bruce... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jeff, Those who have different opinoins than mine don't know what they are talking about. :) (Joking really). Perhaps I missed the full post, but it seems that you didn't even have an opposing opinoin either way on the topic. It was just a who cares about this thread attitude. What point did that statement serve? If you don't care about it, skip over it. If you don't like the topics being discussed then start one that sparks your interest. If you don't agree with the statements, then by all means debate. Let's face it the only way we are going to agree about this whole incident is to all go out and have me (the junior) buy the first round for you and Mst. Sims. :) Jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:26:26 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Wisconsin_Seminar_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear JR: ".....I want to reiterate that I will be in Mosinee WI on the 31st of May for an all day HapKiDo seminar as the guest of Mr. Dave Pryga and the Central Wisconsin Martial Arts Institute. ....." Just to clarify, 'k? Your group will be arriving Friday morning but will NOT be actually teaching until all-day Saturday, right? Or, is there a chance that there might be something going on Friday night as well? How about Sunday morning? I have been planning on getting up there by Saturday morning, but if you and your crew are going to be there earlier (or stay later) I would really enjoy maximizing the time you will be there, even if it means bargaining with "The Boss" for an overnight up there maybe even Friday AND Saturday nights. Thoughts? BTW: As of this writing I understand that Anthony New will be coming from Ft. Wayne but I don't believe that Jere Hilland will be coming from Harrison. Looking forward to seeing you. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:16:37 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Japanese to Korean Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello I was hoping someone might be able to translate the Japanese term "Kazushi" or "the stealing/breaking of the opponent's balance" into Korean? Thanks. Chris "from CT" LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:34:18 -0500 From: DPRYGA To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Knee Injury Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net on 5/15/03 12:18 AM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net at the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > Does anyone have any advice for strengthening a knee injury? We generally prescribe open-chain exercises (variations of lunges, squats, step ups, wobble board) vs. close-chain exercises (leg-extentions, curls, machine presses, etc.) for post-rehab. The open-chain ones will create less shear on your knees and work more of the assistance muscles (balance) around the injured joint. Use strict form, Make sure your knee stays alligned directly above your ankle while doing the lunges. Hope this helps...Dave --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:46:16 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Lethalo Martial Art Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I hope your not serious. This fellow has to list his colored belt ranks in other arts and admits to only being a 2nd dan in an unspecified style of karate. The sad part is, he will probably sell a lot of ranks by mail. Even with all the knowledge found on this information highway, these folks are doing just as well today as they did back when we sowed our own trim on our dobok. But now they come in different forms, instead of just taking money from students, there are now many folks like Oliver and Graden who want the money from the instructors. Just an opinion... Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com << To: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:48:09 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Waxing Philoso-fickle... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi All, I'm reading, with interest, the thread between Mr. Sims and Mr. Hindley. While I don't have any comment really on the issues between them I was thinking about the aspects of communication in the world around us and how it relates to self-defense and the martial arts. Mr. Sims, I believe, mentioned the inability to accurately judge tone in a written communication, an email. Well, this got me thinking about communication. Every day I deal with people at my job, walk past them on the street, drive past them in my car, etc. ad nauseum. I know that I probably have walked past many a mugger in the French Quarter or waited on a child molester in my store. Hell I went to school, home room even, with someone who now sits on death row in Starke, Florida, a convicted serial killer. Two doors down from where I grew up the nice older civil service guy with wife and two kids ended up a confessed and convicted pedophile. The suburban neighborhood I grew up in turned out its fair share of whackos. Why haven't I become the victim of one of these nuts so far? Why does someone else become the victim? Perhaps I am communicating something about myself in an unconscious fashion as I walk through my life. I believe I have some understanding of the essentials, such as basic awareness of your surroundings, and the like, but it seems to go deeper than that to me. Can someone truly be taught how not to be a victim? Is someone that successfully defends themselves from a murderous attack still a victim? Even though they may walk away relatively unscathed they will still carry away something bad or very bad from such an incident. I can tell you to be aware of your surroundings, but that is an intellectual approach. How do you take a person, say a 15 year old female that is extremely shy or meek, and begin to shape them into a person that never truly has to defend herself in that manner? Is it even possible? Is it Warrior Spirit that I'm getting at? Can this be instilled in someone? Or does it come with heredity? Just Curious Eric --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:15:10 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] wrestling and throws Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dakin; You stated that you are going to name the techniques in Korean, Japanese and English (possibly Chinese). That is going to be a chore. I have the terminology in English and English-edized Korean and I am in the process of typing the Hangul. But I must confess that I can't type in Hangul as fast as English and it is taking a lot longer than I thought. That is going to be a chore, doing the translation in Hangul, Kanji and what are the Chinese ideograms called? Zhongwen? Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Waxing Philoso-fickle... Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:45:44 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Eric I think there are at least two possibilities 1) As we all espouse, proficiency in the martial arts results in some interpersonal (mostly non-verbal) communication and set of behaviours (stupid risk avoidance) that tell predators we're not worth their time. Or 2) Martial arts practice "selects for" individuals that convey those things in their essential personality. In other words, the victims might never try MA, or they drop out because the lifestyle doesn't suit them. In microbiology this is called "enriching for" a trait. It isn't exposure to antibiotics that makes germs drug resistant, its that the non-drug resistant neighbors die off leaving room for the tough guys whose population then grows, unchecked by crowding. I lean towards the first for two reasons. There's not much point in training if you inherently radiate bad-assedness. Why go through all that sweat and pain? It’s a tautologicial argument of course, but whatever. Also, before I took up MA I got pounded on quite a bit. It stopped around the time I got into training, and not because I started winning fights. It just stopped. Coincidence? Dunno. -JW -----Original Message----- From: Eric Walker [mailto:ericules@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:48 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Waxing Philoso-fickle... Hi All, Why haven't I become the victim of one of these nuts so far? Why does someone else become the victim? Perhaps I am communicating something about myself in an unconscious fashion as I walk through my life. I believe I have some understanding of the essentials, such as basic awareness of your surroundings, and the like, but it seems to go deeper than that to me. Can someone truly be taught how not to be a victim? Is someone that successfully defends themselves from a murderous attack still a victim? Even though they may walk away relatively unscathed they will still carry away something bad or very bad from such an incident. I can tell you to be aware of your surroundings, but that is an intellectual approach. How do you take a person, say a 15 year old female that is extremely shy or meek, and begin to shape them into a person that never truly has to defend herself in that manner? Is it even possible? Is it Warrior Spirit that I'm getting at? Can this be instilled in someone? Or does it come with heredity? Just Curious Eric --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/2003 --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 00:04:05 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] West Seminar in WI Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net JR writes: > I want to reiterate that I will be in Mosinee WI on the 31st of May > for an > all day HapKiDo seminar as the guest of Mr. Dave Pryga and the Central > Wisconsin Martial Arts Institute. I will be accompanied by Dr. (as of > May > 23rd) Tavassoli, Mr. Watkins, Dr. Collipp and one or two other draft > choices > to be named at a later date. We will be departing Jackson, MS on > Thursday > evening in the "stealth van" and will hopefully arrive in WI on Fri. Hello JR: what with the GM:) Anyway, please have a safe trip, and a great weekend in WI. Congratulations to Dr. Tavassoli and a big hello to Dr. Collip and Mr. Watkins. What a great crew for the Hot tub:) I encourage all NKMAA members who are able to make the trip to attend. Your support will be appreciated, and I KNOW you'll learn lots of good stuff. Sincerely, Rudy BTW, sorry for the typo in my last post to Luke. Would you believe a late night:) --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustugold@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest