Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:50:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #223 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Bruce about kicks (George Peters) 2. Re: New member (Portswood Hotel) 3. KHF English Web site (John Johnson) 4. the roundhouse kick (Christopher Spiller) 5. Hi Pat!! (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 6. about kicks (Ray Terry) 7. Re: hyung,pusan, ksw (Michael Whalen) 8. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Better_Things_to_Do_.......?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 9. Re: Fun in Wisconsin (DPRYGA) 10. School (Chuck) 11. Re: School (Ray Terry) 12. Re: Korean Movies (J T) 13. RE: High Kicks (Wallace, John) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 02:55:00 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Bruce about kicks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sir, In regards to your questions about the roundhouse kick and high kicking, perhaps this will help you. The roundhouse kick is a basic part of any system I have investigated. To the best of my knowledge, it exists even in the oldest martial texts of Korea. As to its origin, I have friends who have practiced chinese arts for over forty years and they attest that this kick exists in some variation for each of them. Since this kick is such a natural motion,its use probably dates into pre-history. I have listened to the debate on the height of kicks for many years. Ideed, if a Korean stylist bows onto the mat at a competition, everyone expects high kicks and even airial kicks. The reason for this is really quite simple. You have already stated yourself that high kicks do not always have martial value and you are correct. The reason so many true martial artists practice high kicks is if one practices these kicks in their most difficult form,then the practical use of these kicks is a most simple and natural thing. If my front snap kick is very good at head height, then it should be totally awesome at groin or any other low target height. Sparring is not fighting, when the match is over, we return to our homes, families and Dojangs, therefor the high kick is acceptable. The same holds true with many of the more advanced kicks. If you were to develop a nice back wheel kick, you would also find that your back kick has improved. In short, all this is for the development of better basics, the true foundation of a martial art. You may question this today,(I do not know your seniority) but in years to come this will become quite evident. The whys, wherefors, and uniqueness of the way Korean arts are practiced is due to Korean philosophy adhered to by the many organizations practicing today. On the surface, these teachings may appear remarkably similar in most Asian cultures, however there are many subtle albeit pertinent differences. Forgive me for being so long winded about this, but the causes and effects of every aspect of the martial arts seem to be always entwined with another, thereby rendering a seemingly simple explanation into a lengthy dissertation. I hope I have been of some service to you. Respectfully, George _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Portswood Hotel To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:57:27 +0200 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: New member Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all! I have been following this newsletter for about a month now - thanks for some great entertainment and information. I have been doing taekwondo since the beginning of this year - the best decision I have ever made in my life. I have been training really hard, a minimum of 4 days a week, and hope to grade for my green belt next month. Wish me luck! I would love to attend the seminars so often mentioned - only - I am in South Africa! It is nice to know that there are people all over the world who can find unity in one thing. It is amazing to be part of something so disciplined, energetic and beautiful. Take care everybody ! Celeste Steyn, Cape Town, South Africa [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef] --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "John Johnson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:32:38 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] KHF English Web site Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello. My name is John Johnson and have earned a 3rd degree in Hapkido since I arrived in Seoul nearly five years ago. Recently I have joined the KHF IT team and have been helping design their English Web site. You may visit it at http://hapkidokorea.org. The site is going to allow anyone, free of charge, to post their personal essays and thoughts. Therefore, the supervisor of the group, Master Bae, Sung-book, has asked me to contact anyone who would like to contribute articles and essays to the site. We are looking forward to having your articles on our site. If you would like to contribute, please email me or Master Bae at master1@hapkidokorea.org. We need your help in making this one of the best martial arts Web sites in the world. It is possible with the framework that is established. All we need is your help. Sincerely, John A. Johnson College Guidance Counselor Daewon Foreign Language High School Seoul, South Korea _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 05:37:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] the roundhouse kick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce said: >>There are two never-ending mysteries for me. One is the origin of the Roundhouse kick and the other is the origin of high kicks.<< I reained for a while in Praying Mantis kung-fu which was developed in the 1700's. In the first pattern learned by beginners ("Sob Sae Lo," Sp.?) there is a series of techniques which has you practicing roundhouse kicks with the instep. This pattern also contains front kicks which are executed to the opponent's throat as well as jumping kicks. IIRC this pattern was developed before the 20th century. Ray said: >I believe it was an article in JAMA, shortly after it first hit the stands... Claimed that the roundhouse kick was invented by mistake during a tournament when someone went to throw a front kick, tried to change it up and it ended in a roundhouse-ish type technique.< Did the author list any sort of reference for this claim? I'd be very interested in knowing if this is a fact or just another martial arts urban legend. >However it came about, (low or high) it has clearly become one of the moreeffective offensive kicking techniques in the MAs (for street or sport application).< Now this is a statement you just can't argue with :) Taekwon, Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:57:10 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hi Pat!! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Pat, Welcome to the DD. Good to see another WTSDA member here. This is an excellent place to learn about KMA in general. Danny Dunn --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 06:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] about kicks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > The roundhouse kick is a basic part of any system I have > investigated. To the best of my knowledge, it exists even in the oldest > martial texts of Korea. Can you be a bit more precise? Exactly which old martial texts of Korea? Thanks! Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Michael Whalen" To: "dojang digest" Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:40:19 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: hyung,pusan, ksw Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net hyung: connected movements I believe you're refering to George Flitas. Yeah, he kicked a little butt (no pun intended) while he was there in pusan (between sessions at the kareoke bars) and I know from experience, it's hard to dodge his head shots) <.....i'm only a white belt, but i've never encountered anything but tolerance and a desire to help from my teachers and classmates. Of course there is a bit of arrogance associated with it - KSW is the best and the like. ........> Rachel, I agree with you. Just as there are always a few rotten apples in any bunch, MA is no different. I never let the politics interfere. Don't care about 'em, never will. michael "rittle frish in big prond" whalen KSWnut --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:18:41 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Better_Things_to_Do_.......?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: ".....I notice that our friend, the Floridian Flounder, will be in Appleton, Wisconsin to teach an "advanced" Hapkido seminar on June 7......" My evil twin would probably be tempted to put in a showing at Appleton just to be able to critique the teaching style and material. However, unlike as in the case of GM Ji, I suspect that I am on firmer ground anticipating the quality of what will be done. Can't imagine people spending good time and money to go there when there is the Seminar in Mosinee, Wis (JR West) on May 31st, and the the Seminar in Toledo (Rudy Timmerman) on June 7th. Given my druthers I'd rather attend the real thing rather than somebodys' recruitment effort. Along these lines, I am thinking that someone like Dr. Wannabe will harvest whatever it is that he is sowing. However, I can think of nothing that will hurry the process along than if we continue to advise people of quality events here. People attracted to Dr. Wannabee will attend his functions no matter what is said here, and people interested in authentic material wouldn't be dragged there with a tractor. I'm betting, though, that there is a lot more going on at any given time, and would heartily encourage folks to advise us, well in advance, when things are coming up, yes? FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:14:26 -0500 From: DPRYGA To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Fun in Wisconsin Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net on 5/20/03 6:51 PM, Ray wrote: > I notice that our friend, the Floridian Flounder, will be in Appleton, > Wisconsin to teach an "advanced" Hapkido seminar on June 7. > > Anyone in the Wisconsin area up for a little fun -n- games??? :) I had recieved a flyer for this clinic and considered attending but could'nt fit it in the schedule. The group hosting it is called "KIHAP" and is run by a man out of Green Bay, Ed Annibale. I've never met him, or heard much about him. I have contacted him and invited him to come over for some of our events, up to this point he has respectfully declined. Does anyone know about "KIHAP"?.......Dave --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Chuck" To: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:29:18 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] School Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a student (about 8 years old) whose Mother has just returned from the Iraq. He is living with his Grandmother and is going to stay with his Mother for the summer in Virginia Beach, VA. He would like to train while there. I would like to know of any USTU schools where he might train for approximately three months. Any suggestions? Chuck --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] School To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have a student (about 8 years old) whose Mother has just returned from > the Iraq. He is living with his Grandmother and is going to stay with > his Mother for the summer in Virginia Beach, VA. He would like to train > while there. I would like to know of any USTU schools where he might > train for approximately three months. Any suggestions? You might try checking the USTU. http://www.ustu.org/cgi-script/cLinks/category.cgi?category=/USTU/Schools/Virginia&start=0 Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean Movies Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes I have Shiri at home as well. I like that one. You are right though, Koreans seem to love tragic endings to their films. Another one to check out is Chingu. Jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] High Kicks Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:57:34 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Never having actually researched Taekkyon, I'm talking out of my hat at the moment, but isn't it true that points are scored in the game by kicking the opponent's topknot? Perhaps that's where Korean styles' cultural preference for high kicks came from... -JW -----Original Message----- From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:43 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] High Kicks, was Re: High Kicks > There are two never-ending mysteries for me. One is the origin of the > Roundhouse kick and the other is the origin of high kicks. I believe it was an article in JAMA, shortly after it first hit the stands... Claimed that the roundhouse kick was invented by mistake during a tournament when someone went to throw a front kick, tried to change it up and it ended in a roundhouse-ish type technique. However it came about, (low or high) it has clearly become one of the more effective offensive kicking techniques in the MAs (for street or sport application). Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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