Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 06:43:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #225 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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KHF information (John Johnson) 2. Re: A secret kick... (Jye nigma) 3. re:fun in wisconsin (Joe Gorges) 4. Re: A secret kick... (Ray Terry) 5. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_A_Walk_down_Memory_Lane...._?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 6. Welcome Celeste (Rudy Timmerman) 7. training with repetitive stress syndrome (Rain Breaw) 8. A secret kick... (SEXTONR003@hawaii.rr.com) 9. Re: Ray Terry on RH kick (George Peters) 10. Re: The_Dojang digest, about Kicks/Roundhouse (ramon Navarro) 11. RE: High/Round-House Kicks (Farral, Kim) 12. Hamstring Injuries (webmasterJoe@estradatkd.com) 13. secret kick (rich hodder) 14. Re: Re: Ray Terry on RH kick (Ray Terry) 15. Re: training with repetitive stress syndrome (Jeremy Anderson) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "John Johnson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:03:14 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] KHF information Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have just discovered that the email address for Master, Bae, Sung-book I gave is not working. Please send all your questions to yesb279@hotmail.com or yesb279@hanmail.net. I am sorry for any inconvenience. Sincerely, John A. Johnson _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:11:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] A secret kick... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net there is no 'secret kick'. Think about it, the leg and only bend in a certain way, and the hip can only rotate in a certain way, so there is no such thing as a new kick or secret kick. Jye --- Robert Demers wrote: > I belong to a WTF sactioned TKD school and just > received my black belt in February. For my second > Dan my master tells me I need to do a secret kick. > I've been searching for what this could be but so > far have been unsuccessful. Does anyone know what > this could be or maybe give a hint or a direction to > go in to find the answer? > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Joe Gorges" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:27:30 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] re:fun in wisconsin Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That seminar is being held at the school that I am an assistant instructor. If anyone wants any more info about the seminar just ask and I'll help in any way I can Joe Gorges _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] A secret kick... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I belong to a WTF sactioned TKD school and just received my black belt > in February. Congrats! > For my second Dan my master tells me I need to do a secret kick. I've > been searching for what this could be but so far have been unsuccessful. > Does anyone know what this could be or maybe give a hint or a direction > to go in to find the answer? But if we told you it wouldn't be a secret any more... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:14:29 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_A_Walk_down_Memory_Lane...._?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jack: ".....> My evil twin would probably be tempted to put in a showing at Appleton just > to be able to critique the teaching style and material. However, unlike as > in the case of GM Ji, I suspect that I am on firmer ground > anticipating I don't understand what you mean by this stement, can you clarify it?...." What I was alluding to was the trip I took last year out to Ft Collins to experience firsthand a seminar by GM Ji. You might recall, I think that I was taken to task for criticizing his teaching methods without first having experienced one of his seminars. In response I took it upon myself to make the trip and.... well we all know what happened when I got back---- don't need to go there. Anyhow, the point I was making in this latest post was that it seemed un- necessary to go to this sort of inconvenience in anticipation of what might happen at Appleton. Considering the nature of the instructor I think its safe to conclude that the instruction will be commensurate. Don't need to waste good time and $$ over a fore-gone conclusion. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:08:02 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Welcome Celeste Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Celeste: Welcome to the DD. If ever you are able to come our way, please drop in. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:22:51 -0400 From: Rain Breaw To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] training with repetitive stress syndrome Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi! Like the recent poster from Cape Town, I am a green belt who has been training in Tang Soo Do for just over a year. I've also been silently following this listserv for about a month, and have enjoyed the conversations and the information that you offer. Thank you for allowing me to do so. After training in self defenses extensively this evening, I resolved to ask a question of this group. I have a horrible case of repetitive stress syndrome in my (dominant) right hand. It is not carpel tunnel - all tests, electroshocks, probes, etc. have proven this - so surgery won't help. The more I practice self defenses the sharper the pain in my right hand becomes. I'm handicapped doing simple things; tonight, when pulling a can from a supermarket shelf, the searing pain crumpled my hand. Also, my grip is often weakened when I practice, leaving me with a sense that my technique is rather impractical. I am loath to give up on self defenses, as I feel that they are incredibly important. The doctors have said they can't do anything for me. I know that there are enough techies like me out there who make it through similar handicaps, and so I'm hoping that a member of this list has some knowledge and advice. I would be very grateful for any recommendations members of this list might have to offer. Thank you! Tang soo, Rain --__--__-- Message: 8 From: To: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:33:41 -1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] A secret kick... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> I'd like to help you but I promised never to tell anyone! But if you also promise never to tell, contact me offline. Randall Sexton --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:53:25 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Ray Terry on RH kick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Even the illustrations in the Muye Dobe Tongji show this kick. Also there are paintings of monks practicing this kick during the Kokuryo Dynasty in the tombs along the lower stream of the river Ap Lok which is in a town called Jih Ahn. This goes back 1500 years. Also, our grandmaster includes this as a part of our system and believe me I KNOW he would never deviate from the traditional. He started his training in Korea about 55 years ago and I have come to trust him implicitly in these matters. The aforementioned text is available in an english translation for a very reasonable price. Also TRADITIONAL TANG SOO DO by Grandmaster C.S.Kim, or TANG SOO DO by Grandmaster Hwang Kee, or TANG SOO DO by Grandmaster Kang Uk Lee are excellent resources on this type of subject. I hope that I have been of some service to you. Respectfully, George _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: ramon Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, about Kicks/Roundhouse Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi to all and be blessed. Acording to my knowledge the martial arts started with the use of the hands and the torso to defend one self. The kicks are sort on imposible to say whom invented them but the theory is that the people that defend themselfs, well it is sayd that the people that are from the low lands use more their arms or hands. The ones from the high lands live in more mountanious terrain so theytend to use more the legs or foot to defend themselfs. There for the people that live in the middle lands will tend to mix this usage of their body for defending themselfs. The low land people will use legs for defending and since living in these kind of terreine they will kick to lower parts of the body than the high landers and the mid land people will have a mixsure, some using more the legs than their arms. There for you nor anyone can prove were they were startde so it is best to accept that came out from a source of accident. Thanks and HAP Ramon Navarro HapKiDo sabomNim Song Moo Kwan HapKiDo Panama city Panama. _____________________________________________________________ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Farral, Kim" To: 'Dojang' Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 06:32:03 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: High/Round-House Kicks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Pil Seung... I am not sure where this dribble originates...Doesn't anyone every study history?...A High kick is not something that was invented for a flippin sport and a round-house was not a mistake...centuries before the sport...there was the art...without the art...the sport would never exist...the art teaches full range of motion and body movement...including high kicks and round-houses...granted...Japanese and Okinawan styles, in particular, don't believe it is necessary to kick above the waste...with very good reason...take out a leg or double an opponent over and there is no reason to kick high...something I tend to follow since I am only 5' 4' and I can't reach most peoples heads without jumping...nor am I as flexible as I use to be...and the Japanese and Okinawan Styles do use round-houses... I personally know of three martial artists who, being confronted on the street, have dropped their aggressors with a single crescent kick to the head... High kicks are not something created just for tournaments...and the roundhouse kick was not just a mistake... MHO Pil Seung! The One and Only "Tink" Kim G. Farral 5th Dan TKD K. G. Farral Staff Mechanical Engineer ITT Industries 1919 West Cook Road P.O. Box 3700 Ft. Wayne, Indiana 46801-3700 Ph: (260) 451-6868 Fax: (260) 451-6206 kim.farral@itt.com ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************ --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:05:51 -0400 From: webmasterJoe@estradatkd.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hamstring Injuries Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Everyone, About six weeks ago, I tore my left hamstring (not extremely bad tear, but bad enough to cause it to bleed (big black & blue) and keep me from training for 2 to 3 weeks). Last night I was training and I suspect that I reinjured it. I felt it snap, but this time in a different place than the first. Today it hurts, but not nearly as bad as 6 weeks ago. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I should do to prevent this from happening again? Any excersizes or techniques I should consider to get it back to 100%? Should I continue to train (minimally)? I'd like it to be healed for my July 12 2nd Dan Promotion. Any advice is greatly appreciated. -Joe Giarratano Ciao --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "rich hodder" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:48:45 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] secret kick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'd tell ya but then I'd have to kill ya 8^) just kidding RichGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Ray Terry on RH kick To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Even the illustrations in the Muye Dobe Tongji show this kick. Also there > are paintings of monks practicing this kick during the Kokuryo Dynasty in > the tombs along the lower stream of the river Ap Lok which is in a town > called Jih Ahn. This goes back 1500 years. Also, our grandmaster includes > this as a part of our system and believe me I KNOW he would never deviate > from the traditional. He started his training in Korea about 55 years ago > and I have come to trust him implicitly in these matters. > The aforementioned text is available in an english translation for a > very reasonable price. Also TRADITIONAL TANG SOO DO by Grandmaster C.S.Kim, > or TANG SOO DO by Grandmaster Hwang Kee, or TANG SOO DO by Grandmaster Kang > Uk Lee are excellent resources on this type of subject. > I hope that I have been of some service to you. Yep, I have all those sources, but not sure I see a Karate-style roundhouse kick in Muye or in the cave art. But thanks! Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 05:50:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremy Anderson Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] training with repetitive stress syndrome To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi, I've come back from an injury similar to what you're describing. I did nothing more than assuming a proper typing posture at work and doing my wrist stretches religiously. It took a while, but I'm now back to full grip strength and no longer feel any pain. I also had one taekwondo master claim that carpel tunnel can be cured by doing knuckle push-ups, but I've never seen it happen, so wouldn't condone it. --- Rain Breaw wrote: > Hi! > > Like the recent poster from Cape Town, I am a green belt who has been > training in Tang Soo Do for just over a year. I've also been silently > following this listserv for about a month, and have enjoyed the > conversations and the information that you offer. Thank you for > allowing me to do so. > > After training in self defenses extensively this evening, I resolved to > ask a question of this group. I have a horrible case of repetitive > stress syndrome in my (dominant) right hand. It is not carpel tunnel - > all tests, electroshocks, probes, etc. have proven this - so surgery > won't help. The more I practice self defenses the sharper the pain in > my right hand becomes. I'm handicapped doing simple things; tonight, > when pulling a can from a supermarket shelf, the searing pain crumpled > my hand. Also, my grip is often weakened when I practice, leaving me > with a sense that my technique is rather impractical. > > I am loath to give up on self defenses, as I feel that they are > incredibly important. The doctors have said they can't do anything for > me. I know that there are enough techies like me out there who make it > through similar handicaps, and so I'm hoping that a member of this list > has some knowledge and advice. > > I would be very grateful for any recommendations members of this list > might have to offer. > > Thank you! Tang soo, > Rain > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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