>To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #233 - 17 msgs >Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:58:06 -0700 > >Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to > the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." > > ><<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> > >Serving the Internet since June 1994. >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. >1400 members. > >See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine >for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com > >Pil Seung! > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Subject: [The_Dojang] Warrior Challenge on PBS (A Future Computer >Scientist) > 2. USTU Nationals Observations (long) (Emactkd@aol.com) > 3. Bruce: We Have Met the Enemy and They are US! (Debra Dunn) > 4. Warrior Challenge and stuff (Debra Dunn) > 5. splits (Lucy Westcott) > 6. Re: learning korean (Scott F. Barnes) > 7. Hamstring Hell ( to Robert Demers) (Laurie S.) > 8. Re: Jidokwan (J T) > 9. Hapkido for kids (Burdick, Dakin R) > 10. Re: Comb the hair (Burdick, Dakin R) > 11. TKD history (Burdick, Dakin R) > 12. Kwan (Helstrom, Carl) > 13. Learning Korean (Bert Edens) > 14. Re: Hapkido and youth (Michael Rowe) > 15. Update from Korea (Andrew Pratt) > 16. Instructor's in Chicago. (Jason E. Thomas) > 17. origins of tang soo do (George Peters) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:37:45 -0400 (EDT) >From: A Future Computer Scientist >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, > the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Subject: [The_Dojang] Warrior Challenge on PBS >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >What time and day does the series come on? > > >My webpage http://members.blackplanet.com/Jeff_A > >My karate school: http://heriottkd.wcm1.net/Heriot_Website/Entrance.htm > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Looking for a roommate? Let CollegeClub.com help you out! > > >CollegeClub.com makes college life even better. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: Emactkd@aol.com >Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:19:32 EDT >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] USTU Nationals Observations (long) >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Hi! > >A few observations from my seat at the USTU Nationals over the weekend. > >1. Differential scoring is great. The possibility of three points for >one > technique keeps the fire on until the end. Or could if you had the gas >left. >2. Lots of great fights. >3. Don't bother to punch. Even though Steven Lopez throws a lot of >punches, he must just be fishing, because they don't score. >4. Don't bother with stopping kicks. Even when the opponent was floored >by >the technique, no points. other than for frustration value. >5. Watch your butt. Now that kicking to the back is allowed, many >points >on roundhouse to the glutes. >6. Blocking is a sometimes winner, mostly loser. Covering up doesn't >work, only downblocks that block the low roundhouse. And not all those. >7. Half the male finalists on Saturday were too injured to continue. >Indomitable spirit aside, to fight in the finals while injured is a >mistake. The >goal is to make the national team, winning gold at nationals is secondary. >One fighter's coach lost the bubble on that. I hope the further injury >sustained in the finals (TKO) won't prevent the fighter's participation in >team >trials. >8. Ring assignments for fights were poor. Some of the best fights were >in >rings blocked by the raised rings in front. I would have placed all fights >with OTC members, and especially Lopez, on the raised rings. If part of >the >purpose of having a big tournament is to promote the sport, put your best >where >they can easily be seen. >9. If you think you might LIKE to go to nationals, or the Open, run >more, >train more. Many fighters had little zip left at round three of their >FIRST >fight. Remember what Vince Lombardi said. >10. Better fight identification is needed. I would have liked to know >the >names of the fighters in each ring, but if you didn't know the fighters by >sight before the fight, you were SOL. And even then, folks of similar >builds >dressed in uniforms are kinda tough to distinguish from the stands. Not >all >fighters brand their butts. > >My views from my seat. YMMV. > >Rick Foley > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >From: "Debra Dunn" >To: >Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:43:21 -0500 >Subject: [The_Dojang] Bruce: We Have Met the Enemy and They are US! >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Bruce, > >My comments are interspersed: > ><<<merely "politics" under another name?>>>> > >You may be right on this, however, I think a lot of people tend to use the >term "politics" to mean one of two things. >1. Some nebulus that for no particular reason is not good, or 2. Some >individual or individuals within an organization who are acting in a way >that is distastful or harmful to the individual. Under number 1, I think >there are a lot of folks who are afraid of how they might compare to others >in the eyes of their friends and students outside their own isolated world. > ><<<<<<< Is one mans' "colonization" another >mans' "recruitment"? >>>>> > >I think this could be the case. I could probably relate stories on both >sides of the coin here. > ><<<<<<write this I am not sure which is more insidious--- the actual attempt to >colonize another class or school or the free-floating fear that someone, >anyone, everyone is trying to do that to me.>>>>>> > >So much for those qualities of wisdom, peacefulness, calmness, serenity, >filial piety huh? I guess that maybe taken as a whole we are not much >different from the rest of society. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >From: "Debra Dunn" >To: >Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:54:30 -0500 >Subject: [The_Dojang] Warrior Challenge and stuff >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Ray, >I caught a couple of the episodes so far and they are worth the time. My >daughter tried to go on line and volunteer immediatly after seeing the >first >one about the knights, plate armor and jousting. > >Also caught a very interesting NOVA I believe it was last week. Had two >guys building trebouche (spelling) at Loch Ness using medievel plans and >guesstimation. Hurled 250 lb. stones and broke through a 5 foot thick >castle wall target. I believe that there was some mention that the >original >plans for one of the machines came from China to Europe in the 1500's. One >of the machines was built by Edward Longshanks of England originally. > >Danny Dunn > ><<<Challenge. They pull together modern day policemen, athletes, military, >etc to learn different ancient warrior training techniques and then test >them in same. Interesting...>>>>>> > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >From: "Lucy Westcott" >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:18:17 +1000 >Subject: [The_Dojang] splits >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Since the start of the year, I have been working on learning to do the >splits. I have improved greatly, but still have a a long way to go, as it >improvements come less easily now. I am just wondering, is there any real >advantage in being able to do them. Whether or not there is, I still want >to be able to do them. Also, does anyone have any hints?
Thanks, Lucy > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >ninemsn Extra Storage is now available. 30MB of storage on ninemsn Groups >- great for sharing photos and documents. Sign up now. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 07:36:23 -0400 >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From: "Scott F. Barnes" >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: learning korean >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Declan Software also has some interesting, beautiful and useful software to >help with Korean Language studies: > >http://www.declan-software.com > >Might also want to check out: > >http://www.koreainfogate.com/tutor/tutor.asp >http://www.langintro.com/kintro/ > >I also believe a local school, individual tutor or similar direct contact >would be better, but I thought I would post this as an alternative for >anyone with time or resource constraints. > >Scott > > >"I also would like to post a question; Does anyone know where I could > >perhaps learn to read, write and speak Korean? I live about 50 miles >north > >of Pittsburgh,PA. and would like to find an individual willing to teach >this > >in my own local area." > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >From: "Laurie S." >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 07:39:21 -0400 >Subject: [The_Dojang] Hamstring Hell ( to Robert Demers) >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Robert wrote: > ><<<<< Take a look at what's causing the tightness. Squeezing the blood >out >of muscles before they are at 100% capacity will cause them to tighten up. >Stretching after warmup is the traditional workout for hamstrings and has >always worked well for me. A great warmup exercise for hamstrings is >riding >a bicycle with foot straps and pulling up instead of pushing down. > >For an alternate treatment take a look at > >http://www.somatics.com/hamstrings.htm. I think I'm going to give this >one > >a try myself. You might also do a "tight hamstrings" search with google. >I > >didn't realize the subject was so contraversial until I did :) Good luck > >with your therapy.>>>>> > >*Comes out of "lurk mode"* Robert, thanks for passing that on. The article >will help martial artist of all ages. I've had trouble with my left leg >(hamstring). I will give it a try. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >--__--__-- > >Message: 8 >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 06:12:10 -0700 (PDT) >From: J T >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Jidokwan >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Hello John, > >My GM is from the JDK school and he still likes to >teach the old style. I will do my best in giving some >of the history which will differentiate it from that >of the other schools. I appologize ahead of time if I >submit any misinformation. > >There isn't much differences between JDK and say >Chungdokwan. Remember that the majority of the >systems come from Japanes karate, mostly Shotokan. >Now one particular difference that JDK was first >taught out of a yudo school. This resulted in some >yudo techniques being taught within the JDK >curriculum. At one time there was a change of >leadership where GM Yoon Byun-in was in charge. This >lead to the teaching of Shudokan forms as opposed to >the Shotokan forms. (I'm sure our better historians >will correct me on that one) Eventually, GM Yoon left >the school and moved to the YMCA where he along with >GM Lee Nam-suk formed the Chang Moo Kwan. Jidokwan >was known to produce some very talented fighters. > >Outside historical roots, there is not much difference >between the kwans. A punch is a punch and a kick is a >kick. > >Jeremy > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 9 >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:48:04 -0500 >From: "Burdick, Dakin R" >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido for kids >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >In responses to Jeremy's question about teaching hapkido to kids, Jere >wrote: > > >Jeremy, I am not sure I understand your question. We teach children the >same hapkido we teach the adults. So the advantages of teaching children >would be the same as teaching adults hapkido. There are no disadvantages >about teaching hapkido. > >Jere teaches a lot differently than I do. I have tried teaching hapkido >to kids and not had much luck. About 50% of the kids under the age of >12 are responsible enough that they will not take the techniques too >far, but the other half will push techniques too far either because of: > >1. Goofing around >2. Poor motor control >3. Getting anxious or irritated > >So I don't teach jointlocks, chokes or truly dangerous techiques (eye >gouge, neck twist, groin pull, etc) until the kids are at least 12. At >this point, a lot of the teens tend to lose interest in the arts >anyways. Teaching jointlocks keeps some of them in, but only the ones >that really are interested. Below the age of 12, you can still teach >them kicks, punches, falls, throws, and work sensitivity drills. They >seem to like Kali drills too, which helps with their hand coordination. > >Yours in the arts, > >Dakin >dakinburdick@yahoo.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 10 >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:14:17 -0500 >From: "Burdick, Dakin R" >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Comb the hair >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Hi Ray, you're right, "comb the hair" is definitely more of a moving >guard than a static one. But aren't they all? After all you want to be >hitting the guy too, right? > >Dakin >dakinburdick@yahoo.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 11 >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:28:45 -0500 >From: "Burdick, Dakin R" >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD history >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Luke wrote: > > >I would appreciate either researched >evidence or advice on where to find such evidence. > >Go buy a back issue of the Journal of Asian Martial Arts from 1997. It >is this one: > >VOLUME 6 ~ NUMBER 1 ~ 1997 Order >Willmont, D. "Sacrifice, ritual, & alchemy: The spiritual traditions in >taijiquan" >Burdick, D. "People & events in taekwondo's formative years" >Smith, R.W. "Chen Weiming, Zheng Manqing, & the difference between >strength and intrinsic energy" >Pauka, K. "Silek: The martial arts of the Minangkabau in West Sumatra" >Taylor, K., & Ohmi, G. "The Omori-ryu: A history & explanation" > >My article on TKD history is in there, with tons of endnotes. There's >some editing errors, but not too many. > >You can order it here: > >http://www.goviamedia.com/journal/issues3.html#anchor6 > >Yours in the arts, > >Dakin >dakinburdick@yahoo.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 12 >From: "Helstrom, Carl" >To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" > >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:35:17 -0400 >Subject: [The_Dojang] Kwan >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Just exactly how many TKD Kwan and other (MA) Kwan's are there and does >anyone their English translation? For instance I am Chung Do Kwan: The Blue >Wave > >--__--__-- > >Message: 13 >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:04:31 -0700 (PDT) >From: Bert Edens >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Learning Korean >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > > "I also would like to post a question; Does anyone > > know where I could > > perhaps learn to read, write and speak Korean? I > > live about 50 miles north > > of Pittsburgh,PA. and would like to find an > > individual willing to teach this > > in my own local area." > >I would also check: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheKoreanLanguage2/ > >They maintain a list of people who want to study >English / Korean. Perhaps you can find someone in your >area. > >I had good luck checking with the Korean Student >Association at my local college (University of >Arkansas, so it is fairly large) for a tutor... > >Best of luck! > ><> > >- Bert Edens, 1st Dan > Springdale, Arkansas > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 14 >From: "Michael Rowe" >To: >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:05:17 -0500 >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido and youth >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Hmmm, should HKD be taught to kids? > >Well I believe all ages starting at the age of 4 can learn the martial >arts, HKD included. But it is important to make the training adapted to >the age you are teaching. > >Ages 4 - 6: > >I teach manly deflections, basic rolling and falling, escapes, and basic >strikes and kicks. I focus on developing manners and respect with the >children. Teach that using words is much better than using fists. > >Ages 7 - 10: >I continue the basics taught above and begin to include concepts in >balance breaking and distractions. More kicking, striking and blocking >is learned. >Escapes are also advanced to include looking for areas of weakness in >the body. I also start to teach basic Joint manipulations, starting with >finger locks. I use finger locks because everyone knows how much they >hurt, and they are easier to control. > >Ages 11 - 14 >Continue the training above, and start including instruction in elbow >locks. This joint is easy to identify and allows uke to control the >falls and rolls rather easily thus preventing injury. > >15+ >Most have gone through the major growth process so I now include all >aspects of training. > >Michael Rowe > >--__--__-- > >Message: 15 >From: "Andrew Pratt" >To: "Dojang Digest" >Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:04:28 +0900 >Subject: [The_Dojang] Update from Korea >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >All, > >Just a quite update in trends I have noticed in TKD and HKD dojangs here. >It >is becoming noticeable that many dojangs now offer 'aerobics' as well as >the >more traditional training. This would seem to be a response to the coverage >Taebo has received here. Several of the cable TV channels have started >regular broadcasts by Taebo instructors (the fact that the instructors are >young, female, and pretty has absolutely nothing to do with the popularity >of these programmes ;-). Even the Thai boxing instructor who shares the >same >dojang as the Aikido club teaches the female students in a Taebo fashion. > >Of course, it may also be that there are fewer adult students (the Thai >boxing club seems popular with college students but the Aikido club seems >to >be struggling) and instructors, who all run dojangs as commercial >operations, are responding to market changes and trying to keep bodies in >the dojangs. > >Regards, > >Andrew > >--__--__-- > >Message: 16 >From: "Jason E. Thomas" >To: >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:59:41 -0500 >Subject: [The_Dojang] Instructor's in Chicago. >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Can anyone recommend instructor's of the chang-on forms in >the Chicago area. One of my students is going to his family in Chicago >for the summer and he'd like to continue training for a few months. > > > >Regards, > > > >Jason > >www.natkd.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 17 >From: "George Peters" >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 01:27:52 -0400 >Subject: [The_Dojang] origins of tang soo do >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Good Sir: > To find the origins of Tang Soo Do one need look no further than any >bio on Grandmaster Hwang Kee. He is undisputedly the founder of TSD Moo Duk >Kwan. Prior to being known as TSD, it was known as Soo Bahk Do.It is a well >known fact that Hwang Kee was influenced by both Japanese and Chinese >systems, however the extent of this influence is this subject of both mild >conjecture and violent disagreement. Master Dominic Giacobbe (did I spell >that right?) wrote an excellent article on the influences of the Chinese in >Tang Soo Do a while back in Black Belt Magazine and I found this to be well >worth the reading. The federation I belong to openly states the the Pyung >Ahn hyungs were developed by a "Mr Idos". This is most definitlly a >Japanese >name, however this the extent of the information provided. Admitedly, I >have >not pressed my grandmaster for any info on this. Perhaps in the next life I >will feel more comfortable about asking these sorts of questions. Ah well, >enough of treading such dangerous ground or braving such treacherous >waters. > Our grandmaster says that no one can ever study too much, so I will >encourage you to do so. > I will brave an observation though. For the first several years one >studies TSD in our federation, it would appear to have many similarities >with Karate-Do, having subtle differences in stances, etc. After the rank >of >cho-dan, it would appear to assume more of the Chinese influences ( perhaps >from the Hung Gar that is mentioned by Hwang Kee?). There is no deluge of >information on Korean arts due in large part to the Japanese occupation and >the destruction of non-Japanese influences incurred. > Hope this will get you started on your way, feel free to contact me >if >I can be of service. > I also hope I have managed somehow to skirt(artfully) the toes of all >who feel that this is a mega sensitive, or nationalistic issue in the hope >that I need not be flogged or thrown to the wolves. > TANG SOO ! > George Peters > P.S. I do feel however, that it is important to be able to trace your >lineage through your instructors back to the founder, country of origin >etc. >Mr. Terry also seems to have some excellent resourses at his disposal. > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >http://the-dojang.net > >It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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