Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 03:01:47 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #245 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Back stance (Nathan Miller) 2. SD on History Channel 6/5/03 (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 3. RE: Back Stance (Farral, Kim) 4. CT and GM Hwang (Christopher Spiller) 5. Re: Once more with clarity (Laurie S.) 6. Re Back Stance (Manuel Maldonado) 7. new to the list (Eddie Urbistondo) 8. my concerns (freddie bishop) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:00:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan Miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Back stance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Heya Freddie... When you say straight, do you mean straight up? That would seem... difficult, to say the least, in a back-leg weighted stance. However... when I first learned a back stance, when I was practicing an ITF spinoff, we did lock out the front knee, so the leg was straight. It helped promote a more upright stance and placed most of the weight on the back leg, leaving the front leg free and light, ready for kicks. So it isn't necessarily wrong... just different. Congrats to your son! Nathan > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:35:43 -0700 (PDT) > From: freddie bishop > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] back stance > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > My sons' instructor is teaching him to do a back > stance with the lead leg straight and locked at the > knee! What is he thinking? BTW my son passed his > yellow belt test on Sunday, YEAH! > > Fred --__--__-- Message: 2 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 02:41:53 EDT To: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] SD on History Channel 6/5/03 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net FYI: History Channel 06/05/2003 8:00/5:00 World Conflict. Arms in Action: Self-Defense. Survival is one of man's deepest instincts. And for early man, just staying alive could prove treacherous. His first weapon--the simple stick. We'll see how the stick still survives as a means of defense (British and U.S. police forces are armed with the baton) and also look at Japanese Kendo and various historical personal weapons. CC [TV G] --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Farral, Kim" To: 'Dojang' Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:25:44 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Back Stance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Pil Seung!... I will agree with Mr. Wallace's assessment...Sounds like the instructor is trying to make sure the back leg supports most of the weight...though...as Mr. Wallace stated... that endangers the lead leg and knee specifically...the knee, when locked, takes most of the stress placed upon the leg and will take the major force of impact, especially in a sweep, which can cause significant damage to the knee...this also reduces reaction time with a lead leg kick since the knee must first be bent before delivering a kick...this also telegraphs the opponent... but...as Mr. Wallace stated...we assume the instructor is competent... good luck... Pil Seung! The One and Only "Tink" Kim G. Farral 5th Dan TKD ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 05:24:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] CT and GM Hwang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Maldonado, Thanks for replying to my posting. I have, in fact, had the opportunity to meet and train with GM Hwang, Kwang Sung on a couple of occasions. In fact, I was briefly a member of KATU a couple of years ago. Then the big split amongst the ITF and yudda, yudda, yudda... well, you all know the story (it's sad, IMO). I decided to go with Master Choi, Jung Hwa's group but I have to say that GM Hwang is simply a great Taekwon-Do technician and that I found his instruction clear and very helpful (he's nearly twice my age, but for some reason I don't feel half as good as he is :). BTW, I'm not actually in CT. I live in Pittsburgh, PA. Taekwon, Chris >Mr Christopher Spiller, I don't know how far Hartford is from Manchester >but >my Song Seng Nim Grand Master Hwang has his school in Manchester. The >address is 441 South Main #97 Manchester CT 06040 his phone is (860) >649-9696. Tell him that I sent you Mr. Manuel Maldonado from Los Angeles >CA. >If you are ever in my neck of the woods please stop by for some training. >As >a member of the ITF you are entitled to free workouts at affiliated >schools. >Talk to you later be good. Master Maldonado __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 09:47:48 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Once more with clarity Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hiya Anthony, I do know what you mean. Me and my other half attend two different dojangs. His is more of the sport version, and I do TKD MDK. My dojang is more self defense based. I usually show him stuff that I have learned, so I can practice at home. One day I was working on joint locks (which his dojang lacks) with him. To my suprise, his dojang practiced joint locks that week also. He ended up using one of the versions of the side wrist lock on someone at his school. They asked "where did you learn that?" he kind of blew it off LOL. But he said it was just the natural thing to do in that situation. He just reacted. He didn't have to think about it. As far as doing stuff that is not taught but effective, yes I have done that before. I've also done stuff right outta forms during self defense training. I hope this helped Laurie _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 09:53:32 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re Back Stance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I hope to God that this instructor changes his teaching practices. The way I teach it is 70 percent of the body weight is on the rear leg and 30 percent on the front bending both knees. You have some terrible people out there and if your son was to ever get into a street fight someone will break his knee if he left it locked. Trust me. I always try to use my techniques in real life situations when I explain them to my students. I don't want or need any surprises. I make the students use the stances, blocks or whatever it is that I'm teaching them against each other and make sure that the individual student fully understands each and every technique. And it's not because my Do-Jang is small or anything I have schools in Texas, South Carolina, and in Missouri. Thank you again Master Manuel K. Maldonado _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Eddie Urbistondo" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:19:57 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] new to the list Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello my name is Eddie Urbistondo. I'm new to this list. I teach/practice Moo Duk Kwan Taekwondo, Olympic Style Taekwondo and Southern Praying Mantis Kung Fu. I own a school in Southern California. Happy to be on a list that welcomes all types of Taekwondo and Korean Arts not just sport taekwondo. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:53:56 -0700 (PDT) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] my concerns Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My concern with the instructors' teaching of the back stance was based on the observations of his higher ranking students all using a locked lead leg back stance. So, on Monday, afer class and alone in the office i asked him about it! He demonstrated a correct back stance, with a bent lead leg. For some reason his students have never been corrected on this. I think sometimes and in this case, basic fundamental training has gone to the way side for more advanced techniques and training. I don't agree with this at all. I believe you have to crawl before you can run. The instructor got a little upset when I refused to allow my son to take his 10th gup test after only five weeks of training. I told him my son was not ready, he didn't know his hyung, kicho il bu, he didn't know the first two childrens' home rules, and he couldn't remember to pull back his non punching arm during blocking and punching practice. However, after six months of training, my son passed his 10th gup, yellow belt test. He demonstated an indomitable spirit during the kyukpa portion of the test in which he was asked to break a board with a yop chagi, side kick. It took him eight attempts, and on the ninth attempt and with all the other students finished with their kyukpa and with over 30 people watching, he put on his kyorugi face, let out a highly spirited kiap, lunged forward executed a side kick and broke the board, he then turned to his instructor and bowed. I could not be more proud of my five year old son! Proudly Fred __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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