Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 03:01:49 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #247 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Adding to the schedule... (L. Veuleman) 2. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Classroom_Thoughts_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 3. Re: 6-9 year olds (Rulivin4hym@aol.com) 4. Re: governor's cup today (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 5. taking it to the next level (Ray Terry) 6. Re: Re: governor's cup today (Ray Terry) 7. my concerns (Jim McHie Jr.) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 04:53:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Veuleman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Adding to the schedule... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, Just adding to your sport tkd tournament listing, USKA World Championships 2003 July 10-13th New Orleans LA http://www.jumpkick.com/world.htm for more info. They actually split the black belt forms divisions by Japanese Korean and Chinese, then run a 'Grand Championship' Division for the winners of each branch to compete for. Just for any smarty-type comments out there, I Will Be Running In The KOREAN Division....as always..... YITMA Charlie Veuleman ************** L. Charles Veuleman - http://www.bluewavekarate.com Natchitoches Karate Institute - Chittim Jordan Tae Kwon Do 318-356-7727 Natchitoches Kustom Inks - Quality Screen Printing 318-332-1676 204 Rapides Drive Natchitoches, LA 71457 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 08:11:41 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Classroom_Thoughts_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Gaby: "......I need your advice about how to behave with children age from 6 till 9.I have some students from that age that are disturbing a lot the class, talking , laughing and do not concentrate, what should I do ? to shout, to tell them not to come anymore, to punish them?......" Being a teacher requires that you encourage growth by taking the individual as you find them, and growing in the directions that they define. This often flies in the face of most folks who follow martial arts. When that word "martial" pops up people still think of tough, stoic training and tight, lock-step discipline. Maybe such an approach worked when people used to conscript large numbers of individuals for use as "cannon fodder" but things have changed. Nobody I know signs up to study MA in order to endure a boot camp environment. I think this may have a lot to do with where you are standing right now. Consider those 6 to 9 y/o kids you are instructing. What is it that you really want them to do? Learn to punch and kick? Learn self-discipline and self-control? Learn cooperation and teamwork? I would start by making a list of the ten goals you have for these kids. I would then attach two behaviors you would want to see each individual demonstrate when they are in class for EACH of those goals. That will give you 20 good, sound behaviors that you have to work towards. Instead of thinking of MA as something that you want to teach the kids, think of it more as a reason that brings everyone together and more of a theme that binds your class of little ones into a group. Keep your instruction time short. By this I mean don't talk any more than you have to. Keep the techniques simple. By this I mean do material that even the slowest kid will have a chance at succeeding with. Have the students do the organizational things such as holding bags, counting, warm- ups and so forth so that you have opportunities to walk among the students and coach. Use large visual aids every chance you can instead of talking. Ask for their opinions on things and then respect their answers. By this I mean that every one of your little ones comes to class with "baggage", and you need to be on top of whats going on inside their little heads. Some of that baggage is pretty benign like pre-concieved notions about MA gleened from watch TEENAGE NINJA TURTLES. Some of that baggage can be unfortunate such as youthful short-attention spans and childhood impulsivity. Some of that baggage can be downright toxic such as damage from bullies, abusive households, and crappy parenting. Finally, expand your own training. You already know that training in MA is an on-going process. Seek-out resources on teaching children and look at it as though its another stage of your own training you have to master. BTW: I teach college students and a lot of what I am sharing with you does not change a whole lot even when these little kids get a lot bigger. :-) Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Rulivin4hym@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 09:49:48 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 6-9 year olds Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This age group needs to be constantly doing something and not for a long period of time. I always keep this group busy moving from one drill to the next with each drill being different but centering along a theme. When they are disriptive to the class I ask them to take a knee on the side. Most of the time the students hate to be left out of the group activity and after 10 minutes are more than willing to come back to class with a better attitude. Yes, this even works in the worst neighborhoods...how do I know because one of my programs is in a so called rough neighborhood. You can also try using a few key words on a consistent basis like Eyes, Mind, Body (Eyes paying attention, mind ready to learn, body nice and strong ready to perform) you can make the saying anything you like. The whole key is to have this one phrase you can say and at an instant your kids will snap to...even if you point out someone next to them and commend them for their good attitude and ask the distruptive child to confirm the other childs good behavior (just a subtle correction technique). If you need any more tips n tricks let me email me directly. Tang Soo! Michelle --__--__-- Message: 4 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:03:31 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: governor's cup today Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Governor's Cup                    June 7           Ames, Iowa" hey, ray...i know its a bit late, but we'd like to get on their mailing list for next year. have any more information on this one? thanks! mel :) Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1-573-673-2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1-877-847-4072 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 07:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] taking it to the next level Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > things have changed. Nobody I know signs up to study MA in order to endure > a boot camp environment. I suspect this is very true for 6 to 9 year olds (this thread)... but I think a significant number of older students do like a bit of boot camp environment. Not to the point of extreme pain or injury, but pushing one harder and harder... The important issue here is determing what the student wants and needs. In many cases a drill sgt is exactly what they are looking for to help motivate them in their training. imho Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: governor's cup today To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 07:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > "Governor's Cup June 7 Ames, Iowa" > > hey, ray...i know its a bit late, but we'd like to get on their mailing list > for next year. have any more information on this one? The USTU has info on this one. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Jim McHie Jr." To: Subject: [The_Dojang] my concerns Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:55:40 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fred: I would pull your child out of the class he is in. Not because he is learning poor stances but because obviously you and the instructor have very different views on training and advancement, and your opinion of him will eventually corrupt your son's view of him also. Kids are just too observant for that kind of stuff. Even if the instructor is gracious about it you are still undermining his authority when, as a parent, you refuse to let your son test even if the instructor wants to test him. Eventually, if you haven't done so already, you will start to 'correct' your son during home practice. Your son will know it is different from how the instructor taught him, and that's just not a viable long-term training situation, especially for a child. Find a school that better fits your philosophy of instruction instead of looking for support on this mailing list for how many thing this instructor is doing wrong, because your first post sounded like a genuine request for information about back stances but your last one sounded more like you just wanted to point out the problems you have with the instructor--not enough fundamentals in your opinion and a different view of advancement. So find a different one. Also, while I understand how proud you are and how you want your son to learn good fundamentals, my personal opinion is that you should be a bit more relaxed and hands off. The quality of his stance is not going to affect the outcome of the 'street fights' he'll be in when he gets to first grade, and by the time he gets old enough to worry about that kind of stuff he'll be able to make the choice for himself that he wants to do things a different way, if he is still doing martial arts at all. Probably the best thing would be to get him in some classes where you don't know anything about the subject matter :) It's always harder when you "know" better. Jim McHie, Jr. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustugold@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest