Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:49:04 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #250 - 18 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Teaching (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Confidence through Hyung (Rudy Timmerman) 3. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_K_I_S_S_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 4. Re: Do-Jang etiquette (Manuel Maldonado) 5. Size should not be a factor (TeachingInChina@aol.com) 6. Confidence (Helstrom, Carl) 7. RE: Cleaning the mat (Stovall, Craig) 8. Re: governor's cup (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 9. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Deference_and_rank_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 10. Re: confidence (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 11. Re: dojang etiquette (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 12. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_But_I_don't_do_windows.......?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 13. breaking glass (Charles Richards) 14. Adding to the schedule... (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 15. Re: Confidence through Hyung (Aaron Presley) 16. Dojang Cleanliness (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 17. Korean for "Half" (Bert Edens) 18. NKMAA seminar in Ohio (Rudy Timmerman) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:47:24 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fred writes: > Yes, I like to think I know more than the > instructor, I have been at it longer, and more > importantly, I do "know" my son better. Hello Fred, I have followed your posts with interest, as I can learn from the experiences you place before us. At this point of having watched your posts, I would have to tell you to leave my school (if you were enrolled in my classes). Bear in mind, this would not be because I can't stand criticism, it would purely be based on the fact that you know more than the Instructor. MY interest is whatever is best for the student, and if I saw that YOU would be the best instructor for that student I would recommend you to that Instructor. Obviously as the parent AND the best man for the job, I would simply and strongly suggest that you home school your son. In that way, you would also be able to spend some quality family time with your son, and that might even offset the fact your son will miss out the many valuable peer activities he could be doing just for fun. The social adjustments he might pick up if left to enjoy himself for an hour may work better to avoid confrontations than a good fighting stance will. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:50:46 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Confidence through Hyung Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gerrald writes: > I know my poomse when I am by myself; but when I get in front of the > class and try to do it I do not know my left from my right. > Can any one out there give any suggestions to improve this? > Gerrald Hello Gerrald: You might try to practice your forms at home by doing them in four directions. You should also continue to perform them in front of others, as it seems to me lacking confidence might cause you to have mental blocks. Good luck! Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:24:41 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_K_I_S_S_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Melinda: "....."My problem is finding a cleaning product for this. I want it to disinfect and deodorize without leaving any residue or requiring time to dry...any thoughts."....." FWIW. I am a big fan of SIMPLE GREEN. It is very user friendly (no gloves or eye wear necessary), has a resonably pleasant odor (kinda like Root Beer to me) and seems to get up dirt and crude from mats like nothing else but does not damage plastics. The bottle comes pretty concentrated but most jobs from clothes to floors are done with a dilluted solution. Its available at most home centers and hardware store--- though I have occasionally seen it in supermarkets with the cleaning supplies. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:59:56 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Do-Jang etiquette Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As far as I'm concerned there is no "protocol" on the wearing of the tti (belt) It's great that your Kwan Jang Nim lets you teach the class, I do this quite often myself. I myself wear a belt that I earned as a I Degree it's all faded and its so worn out that the white material under the black is showing. This belt is so worn and sooo cumfortable that I just can't see me parting with it. I myself don't wear "Dan" stripes on my belt. The ITF uses shoulderboards on the Do-Boks and or roman numerals. The way I see it I know that I'm an Oh Dan that's sufficiant for me. I also have a "collection" of belts I also on occations wear one thats black and red blocked, I believe it's a Judo or Jujitsu belt but I wear it when I wear my famous red Hapkido Do-Bok with Black pants. I feel that wearing whatever the "Master" wants is totally up to him/her. I let my black belts wear whatever Do-Bok they want afterall they are Black Belts. I meet a Grandmaster in Korea once when I lived over there he wore a red white & blue belt. When I asked him about it (just to be curious not disrepectful) he said the "when you are as high Dan as me you can wear what you want and no one will say anything" Well that answered my question. Maybe your Oh Dan is very modest or his belt has much personal meaning to him. So remember what I was told when you are as high dan as him the you wear what you want. Take care and thank you for reading my post. Master Manuel K. Maldonando V Degree Ho Do Kwan Take Kwon Do Hyup Hae Please check out my website http://devoted.to/taekwondo _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 5 From: TeachingInChina@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:08:25 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Size should not be a factor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a question for the list. I am a 5th gup blue belt, kind of built, with a few extra pounds that I am losing each month. I am also female. The problem is that the smaller women are very intimidated by me so I do not show any aggression with them. The problem is with me they are totally rough. I have advised them that they do not have to beat me up to show they are strong, but it seems that my request are going in ear and out the other. I also have this problem with the men. Since I lift weights and do lots of physical exercise, they have the impression I am a "He-Woman built without destruction". Last week I was hit so hard that I was blue on the right side of my body. I want to be able to learn the arts and show control but the beatings I am getting is out of hand. I do not know if I should go straight to Grandmaster or just talk this out with the other black belts. Oh, I am not complaining, but I want to be able to show discipline within myself, while also letting others know that size is not a factor when training with me. Thanks Landa 5th gup blue TKD --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Helstrom, Carl" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:14:31 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Confidence Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There is one and only one way to learn to do poom when your in front of a crowd without becoming a brown belt... Do it... Our instructor uses every intimidation technique known. He'll deliberately throw mental or physical obstacles in your way to try to throw you off. He demands so much perfection that any competition is actually enjoyable. So unfortunately my friend its much like giving out a speech in class. The only way to get over this hump is just do it. We've all had to overcome this, your not the first and your defiantly not the last! Carl Helstrom --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:15:01 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Cleaning the mat Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Look for a product called KenClean. If it will keep the mats clean for the ringworm toting wrestling/grappling/jiu-jitsu aficionados out there, then I'm sure it will do the trick for your mats. Not sure about the drying time. To me, this would be mostly a function of how heavy you apply it, and how diligently the mats are wiped down. Then again, there may be some foam-based products out there that dry faster than the normal "wet and wipe" applications. In terms of who supplies the "elbow grease", I've been at clubs where the instructor worked out a deal where some students performed custodial duties in lieu of paying tuition. Not sure how big your club is, but if you've ever had dedicated students that had to drop out due to monetary reasons (I've see it happen a million times) then consider this as an opportunity going forward to keep good students and get some housecleaning done at the same time. IMHO, cleaning after every class is a bit much...even for someone who sweats as much as I do. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:35:08 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: governor's cup Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Yong Chin Pak 214A Beyer Hall Iowa State University Ames, IA 50011 He can put you on the mailing list for next year. Michel "The Psycho" Rowe" thanks, psycho :). i emailed GM Pak asking him to add us to the list. i appreciate the feedback! take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1-573-673-2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1-877-847-4072 --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:07:33 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Deference_and_rank_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Dave: "..... First,how does one acknowledge that a Master is the lead student in the class? Secondly, this gentleman only wears his 5th Dan Belt (his Sunday go to meeting belt) at testings, demonstrations, etc. His normal belt is one I have seen him wear for the last 9 years (and I suspect, a good many years prior to that) a plain unembroidered, black belt, so it is not obvious to the casual observer that he is anything other than "just" a black belt......" The way I have seen this done, many times, is that when lining up (or circling up as the case may be) the "guest" teacher lines up alongside of the person who is intended to actually teach the class. At seminars this can mean that the entire staff giving the seminar line-up in declining order either facing, or in a circle with, everyone else. The senior-most student (usually a brown or red belt bows the class in to the teachers and the teachers bow to each other. Usually meditation follows. When the students resume their feet after meditation, the person NOT teaching the class leaves the position to the right of the teacher and either leaves the floor or moves to another place among the students--- effectively becoming just another body in the crowd. I have seen some students go so far as to remove their BB and wear a white belt to underscore the fact that they are NOT there to instruct but simply to workout. A bit extreme, maybe, but it cuts down on the confusion. Now--- heres the rub. The problem is when folks don't "stay in their places" --- if you know what I mean. If the person teaching the class is not doing it the way the "guest" would have taught the class there is no option to suddenly barge into the teaching process and take over. The same goes for the person teaching the class. If the "guest" has made it clear they are not there to teach, recruiting the "guest" to suddenly fill-in so as to capitalize on that persons' greater knowledge or teaching experience or resolve a problem is likewise not Kosher. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 10 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:41:56 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: confidence Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "I know my poomse when I am by myself; but when I get in front of the class and try to do it I do not know my left from my right. Can any one out there give any suggestions to improve this? Gerrald" hi gerald, i think everyone's experienced this at some point. i know i have. you might want to try doing your form in front of your spouse/significant other, kids, if you have them, friends, etc. people you trust. you might even want to get a training partner...see if someone from class will work out with you outside of class. just know that everyone in your class (even your instructor) screwed up their forms at some point. theyve been in your shoes before and surely know what its like to choke in front of a group. i'm ok in groups (didnt use to be) and in front of my students, but for some reason, still get a bit noyvous in front of my own instructor :). its just a hurdle, not a permanent thing. good luck and take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1-573-673-2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1-877-847-4072 --__--__-- Message: 11 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:46:41 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: dojang etiquette Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "I am wondering if there is any protocol that I should/could observe in this situation?" i suppose you could make sure, if you bow in, that you include him in the "bow to" portion. if youre comfortable calling him "sabumnim" or another honorary. in one of my instructors schools, they make sure to bow to flags, master, black belts. you might want to throw him in between master and black belts. just some thoughts, take care, melinda :) Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1-573-673-2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1-877-847-4072 --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:17:32 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_But_I_don't_do_windows.......?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Manuel: "......The way I do it is that I get the Seniors to instruct the juniors to pick up and clean up "this is your Do-Jang, you should keep it clean" Since I'm teaching now in the back of my Market I clean it sweep & mop since it's a market ....." I know I have mentioned this before, and yes it comes from an earlier time and an earlier place. However I still believe it is important. As far back as I can remember students were always expected to pick-up and clean-up the dochang. Training on hardwood floors we would line up at one side with rags or towels and scuttle across the floor in a line. Working out on mats students were expected to vaccuum a permanent mat or pick-up and wipe down portable mats. It would have been unseemly--- actually rather rude---- to simply come to the school, work out and then leave the class afterwards expecting others to straighten-up.I know some schools use student help to pick-up and clean-up around the school as a way of off-setting tuition. However, cleaning the mat or floor has always been something of a tradition in many schools I have visited. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] breaking glass Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Exit Lurk Mode, A while back there was a thread about breaking glass. My students have posted a video to our website of me breaking 6 panes of single strength glass (the link says 5 but it's 6). http://www.mojakwan.com/members_photoalbum.htm It is mostly a control/speed technique but with more than 3 panes it does require some power. Please don't try it at home :-) Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:18:36 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Adding to the schedule... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry, I could not resist, so Charles; does that mean that you have started using Korean terminology and are wearing a Korean dobok?:) Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com Just for any smarty-type comments out there, I Will Be Running In The KOREAN Division....as always..... --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Aaron Presley" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Confidence through Hyung Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 19:21:10 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello- I would suggest that you do your Hyung in a public park. This would allow you to be observed by people who probably have no idea what your next move should be, but would still be looking at you. I used to feel very self-conscious in the way that you described, but then I started to slowly expose myself to impartial inspection in this way and it helped me get over some of my fears. It will also help you to shut out observers and focus on your technique. Give it a try. Andrew Maddox _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 16 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:22:50 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dojang Cleanliness Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cleaning mats: We clean the mats after the last class every night using good ole' Pine-Sol and let them air dry overnight. We use a mop. About once a month we pull them up and scrub all the sides down. Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- Message: 17 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Bert Edens To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean for "Half" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Dear Digest, > Quick question, > what is the korean romanization of the word 'half' > as in half of the form or half finished or half > form? > One of our guys from Shreveport is wondering. He > asked for either Korean or Japanese, but we here at > the digest just couldn't let that (japanese)happen, > now could we? : ) > Thank you in advance. > YITMA, > Charlie Veuleman Greetings... I believe the best word would be "bahn" which is used not only for 30 minutes past the hour, but also for something partially completed. Hope this helps! <> - Bert Edens, 1st Dan and Novice Speaker of Korean :) Springdale, Arkansas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 18 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:23:41 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] NKMAA seminar in Ohio Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Several NKMAA Masters gathered in Norwalk, OH to present students of Master John Orndorff's school with a taste of Hap Ki Do techniques and I'd like to thank Masters Troy Trudeau, William Norton, and SBN Lorne Keatley for making the first Mid West seminar a huge success with the participants. The event was the first annual NKMAA event in that region, and it is our hope to present solid Korean martial art technique to the folks in that region on a more regular basis. Several Masters who are DD members have confirmed that they will be there to teach next year, and that is sure to be a significant bonus for the participants who vowed to return . We cordially invite all DD members to join us next year, and the close proximity of one of the Nation's best amusement parks, Cedar Point, can make the Mid West seminar a real family outing. While the hardy martial arts enthusiasts train, the rest of the family can enjoy an awesome ride on some of the World's most hair raising Coasters. With Ray's help, we'll keep you informed. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustugold@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest