Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:35:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #252 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Taekwondo at IU (Erik Hanson) 2. Re: confidence (George Peters) 3. Re: Size does matter (Paul Davis) 4. Master in Class (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 5. Re:Size should not be a factor (Jeffery Dean Sr.) 6. RE: cleaning mats (DITTER66@aol.com) 7. Re: Do-Jang etiquette (Laurie S.) 8. Re: Size should not be a factor (tom@alterworld.net) 9. Re: NKMAA seminar in Ohio (lkeatley@sympatico.ca) 10. Re: cleaning product (Beungood@aol.com) 11. Juche Hyung (Manuel Maldonado) 12. Re: Size should not be a factor (Jye nigma) 13. Korean arts (Hapkido Self Defense Center) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: "Erik Hanson" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo at IU Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone have information on the Tae Kwon Do club at Indiana University Bloomington. I will be a Freshman there starting in the fall. I have tried to contact them via E-mail but have received no response. Thank YouErik Hanson _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 01:32:54 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: confidence Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir: I have always been taught that the only way to have confidence while doing hyung is to do practice them when you can. My Sa Bum Nim told me"If I were to suddenly shake you awake at three o'clock in the morning, you should be so well practiced that you could perform automaticly". Later in my training I learned that he was indeed right and that practice and hard work were the only way to" Pyung Ahn". Trying to learn and achieve these concepts has helped me so much in the mental and spiritual aspects of my art. As time has gone by, I find myself much less inhibited about things like stretching when the opportunity presents itself, or even doing Hyung during the time left after eating lunch at work. I hope that I have been of some help to you and that your journey "on the mountain" is rich in rewards. Tang Soo! Resectfully, George Peters _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:41:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Davis To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cc: TeachingInChina@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Size does matter Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Landa, I read your message and have had sort of the same concerns being 5'9", 225lbs and lift weights every day. For the first six months I also felt there were many students of all belt rankings which enjoyed sparring with me based on their ability to kick quicker and harder then I could. I also briefly felt I was in the wrong school and even considered talking to the Master of our school. What I realized at least in my case, my techniques were lacking, Taekwondo is first a defensive Martial Art. I specificly started working on my distances and stances every morning. It may sound silly, but I work on switching from a open to closed stance as much as my poomse in order not to take the hard hit. I have found that the students and even Black Belts I now spar, have to work harder in order to make any contact. When working on the distances, I do no run away but work on a comfortable distance so that the hit is light and allows me to be in a position to move forward and place my own kicks with control. It takes hard work and even self control, but is that not the reason your in Martial Arts, to learn and gain attributes you did not have before. Paul Brown and working hard for Red. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:16:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master in Class Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dave, There are some differences in protocol from art to art, mostly depending on the heritage. In TSD, if you have a senior rank to the instructor in class, the instructor formally asks the senior rank for permission to begin class. This is a signal to other students. I would also have the class bow to any Master level class members during regular beginning and ending ceremony. If it's a primarily gup class, I also have gups bow to all dans during the salutations. Nothing else should be necessary. If he wishes someone to call him Master, he will say so, but he probably doesn't care. Danny Dunn <<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Jeffery Dean Sr." To: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:24:41 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:Size should not be a factor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Landa, being on the large size myself I can relate to how you feel. I must show extreme control when doing joint locks and in sparring so as not to injure my training partners (after all we are working with each other so we can both improve). What might work for you is if your partner wants to go hard then step up to their level. After being hit at the same level that they are striking with, I think most people will understand and ease up (if not, then perhaps talk to your instructor). Although, speaking to your instructor of your concerns is a good idea. Tang Soo Dean Sr. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: DITTER66@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:35:58 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: cleaning mats Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I had my own home daycare for a while, and used mats for the play area, I had to clean them with a 10 to 1 solution of water and bleach. I could not use any other product because you never no what people or children might be allergic to hope this helps Mary in OKLA. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:03:05 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Do-Jang etiquette Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Manuel wrote: > As far as I'm concerned there is no "protocol" on the wearing of the tti >(belt) It's great that your Kwan Jang Nim lets you teach the class, I do >this quite often myself. I myself wear a belt that I earned as a I Degree >it's all faded and its so worn out that the white material under the black >is showing. This belt is so worn and sooo cumfortable that I just can't see >me parting with it. I myself don't wear "Dan" stripes on my belt. The ITF >uses shoulderboards on the Do-Boks and or roman numerals. The way I see it >I >know that I'm an Oh Dan that's sufficiant for me. I also have a >"collection" >of belts I also on occations wear one thats black and red blocked, I >believe >it's a Judo or Jujitsu belt but I wear it when I wear my famous red Hapkido >Do-Bok with Black pants. I feel that wearing whatever the "Master" wants is >totally up to him/her. I let my black belts wear whatever Do-Bok they want >afterall they are Black Belts. I meet a Grandmaster in Korea once when I >lived over there he wore a red white & blue belt. When I asked him about it >(just to be curious not disrepectful) he said the "when you are as high Dan >as me you can wear what you want and no one will say anything" Well that >answered my question. >Maybe your Oh Dan is very modest or his belt has much personal meaning to >him. So remember what I was told when you are as high dan as him the you >wear what you want. Take care and thank you for reading my post. I agree with this. In my dojang, all the black belts are plain, except for the instructors who are second dan and up. I kinda like it because it keeps everything "modest." Once I get my black belt, I'll prolly where it till it wears out LOL. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:04:43 -0500 From: tom@alterworld.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Size should not be a factor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Landa wrote: > I am a 5th gup blue belt, kind of built, with a few extra pounds that > I am losing each month. I am also female. Landa, I am not female, but I have always been much larger than most people in the class - I'm 6'5" and used to weight about 300, though I'm down to 230 these days. This has caused an amazing amount of aggression to be directed my way. In response, I learned to fight very defensively, and just got pressured even more as people apparently enjoyed the feeling of "beating up a big guy". It took a long time to realize I *had* to fight back. > I want to be able to learn the arts and show control but the beatings > I am getting is out of hand. My suggestion is to be a little more aggressive. It didn't make sense to me either, but if you hit someone when they are coming in for a hard strike they will be a lot less likely to do it again. I'd suggest a good front kick for most circumstances, with a rock solid side or back kick for people who need more persuasion. A tap to the face is allowed in my school, so I tap on the forehead sometimes as well. > Oh, I am not complaining, but I want to be able to show discipline > within myself, while also letting others know that size is not a > factor when training with me. It will be a factor for anyone you don't know well, I'd imagine. Tom White, 2nd Gup, Tulsa, OK --__--__-- Message: 9 From: To: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:47:25 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: NKMAA seminar in Ohio Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Still a little stiff from the travelling and the seminar, but it was well worth it. Master Orndorff was a wonderful host and made us feel more than welcome. The majority of the students were his and a credit to him. Hard-working, attentive and very interested. I enjoyed working with Master Trudeau who showed some effective choke defence. It was also a pleasure to trade ground techniques with Master Norton. Master Timmerman's session was well recieved from what I can remember of it. The repeated pressure point strikes and chokes made my memory fade a bit. After a while I actually looked forward to having a joint lock slapped on. :) My thanks goes out to Tim Gregorini for allowing me to subject his joints to painful manipulation. He did say he was much 'looser' after our session. It was nice to able to converse with the people who attended the seminar, both NKMAA and non-NKMAA members alike. With the addition of more instructors next year, this seminar will definitely become one of the premier events in the Midwest. Try to make it and you won't be disappointed. Lorne Keatley --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:53:53 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: cleaning product Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 6/9/03 1:22:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > "My problem is finding a cleaning product for this. I want it to disinfect > and deodorize without leaving any residue or requiring time to dry...any > thoughts." > Did you try simple green? This will clean,disinfect and deodorize all at once. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:09:32 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Juche Hyung Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would like to post this without offending anyone if possible. Juche (45 movements) This Tul is for 3rd Degree Black Belt and was the replacement for Ko Dang Hyung. Juche is a philosophical idea that man is the master of everything and decides everything,in other words,the idea that man is that master of the world and his own destiny. It is said that this idea was rooted in Beakdu Mount which symbolizes the spirit of the Korean people. But, I've done some digging on my own and heres what I found. I found this on the D.P.R.K. website. The main guide of the democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) is the Juche idea created by the great leader president Kim Il Sung. The great leader said. "The Juche idea means, in a few words,that the owner of the revolution and construction are the people's masses." The Juche idea is based on the thinking that the person is the owner of everything and use it to serve him. To materialize the Juche idea means to maintain the position of owner of the revolution and construction and improve it from an independent and creative way.The Juche idea allows to create an indestructible unit between the people's masses and the leader, so in this way an independent and sovereign state can be built and the people can use their talent and power for the common benefit. Taken from the following website without permission http://www.korea-dpr.com So I believe that anyone out there that is a true American and loves this great nation of ours should boycott Juche Hyung. Gen Choi's son served prison time for attempting to kill the President of South Korea. I'm ITF and don't care for the politcs involved. I don't support communism. But I'm also not saying that any of us that do or are associated with the ITF love North Korea I'm a US Army veteran and love my country (USA). But in my school we will go back to doing Ko-Dang Hyung and I suggest that we all do the same thing. Master Manuel Maldonado V Degree Ho Do Kwan Tae Kwon-Do _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Size should not be a factor To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net i shared your issue with others in another TKD group, and here was a response.... "Greetings! Such is my lot in life... To come up in discussions about big people :) At a recent board breaking seminar, my instructor used me for an example and said "He's a big guy, right?" and everyone nodded. I ddin't know if that was a good thing or a bad thing... LOL :) As for advice on this topic, that's kinda tough... Communication is the most important thing. Communicate with your partner. If you don't think they are hitting hard enough tell them. If they are hitting too hard, tell them. If none of it works, address it with the instructor (in a non-attacking, "I want to get the most out of my training, not get hurt" kind of way). If they blow it off, it might be time to find a new school. Some instructors will encourage people to be tougher, and to understand that hard contact is part of it all. But there's no reason to put anyone at risk. As for me, I've not had anyone tell me I hit too hard... Usually I have to try and catch them first... LOL :) Seriously, I tend to go fairly easy with people smaller and lower rank than I am. I tend to talk a LOT. I figure that 99% of their attackers are going to be bigger than them, so I might as well make sure it's a learning experience, not a painful one. Just some thoughts, from the List Behemoth. :-)" --- TeachingInChina@aol.com wrote: > I have a question for the list. > > I am a 5th gup blue belt, kind of built, with a few > extra pounds that I am > losing each month. I am also female. The problem is > that the smaller women are > very intimidated by me so I do not show any > aggression with them. The problem > is with me they are totally rough. I have advised > them that they do not have to > beat me up to show they are strong, but it seems > that my request are going in > ear and out the other. I also have this problem with > the men. Since I lift > weights and do lots of physical exercise, they have > the impression I am a > "He-Woman built without destruction". Last week I > was hit so hard that I was blue on > the right side of my body. I want to be able to > learn the arts and show > control but the beatings I am getting is out of > hand. I do not know if I should go > straight to Grandmaster or just talk this out with > the other black belts. > > Oh, I am not complaining, but I want to be able to > show discipline within > myself, while also letting others know that size is > not a factor when training > with me. > > Thanks > Landa > 5th gup blue > TKD > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:23:02 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well Charles, you are off to a good start. But remember you are talking to a native Texan who lived in Texas for 36 years and Louisiana for 4 years (I even go back South a few times a year to remember why I left!). I taught classes in the summer in Houston out of a non air-conditioned warehouse and on the beach wearing a double weave yudo dobok when you were born. So I understand the heat and humidity. But remember, that the Koreans took the Japanese art of karate and it evolved into taekwondo with Korean terms, Korean forms, Korean dobok, etc. long before you were born. It is now a Korean martial art regardless of its history, in fact it now has a Korean history. If you teach Japanese forms, use Japanese terms, wear a Japanese uniform and teach Japanese techniques, then you can spend all day saying a tomato is an orange. Now this is with the assumption that we are talking about the Korean arts. You mentioned your own art. That you have made it yours. So what art is this? If you are talking about taekwondo, let me explain something as it was taught to me 30 years ago. I teach hapkido, and I am not qualified to change it, to make it different, to start a new art. In another 30 years I may have hapkido down. I have seen many people who did not truly learn their art, they were more interested in rank and satisfying their ego, therefore; they were under the misguided assumption that this or that technique was not useful and so they created their own style using what they thought worked best. Magazines are full of these people. Yes, you are going to have preferences, look at Hapkido! Master Han is known for his kicks, Master Myung is known for joint locks, etc. But that is different. But if they both did what we call 'cho keup sam sul' (#3 beginner technique) in hapkido it would look the same. Charles, I think you have come a long way, and are a credit to your students. You are not interested in rank, but knowledge. Keep up the good work. I started out in ohdokwan taekwondo and changed to kukki-taekwondo as a 2nd dan. I hold a 4th dan in taekwondo and know much of its history from being there in the 70's and 80's (I stopped teaching it in the late 90's). As a 5th dan in hapkido I have turned down advancement in rank from those who were not my teacher or if I felt I did not have the required time. You do not have that problem but you are ignoring modern Korean history of your art, in my opinion. I have known Mac for about 15 years and I brought him into the USKMAF (that will be held against me). So please continue seeking advice from him and others. Just my opinion. Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustugold@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest