Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 03:01:46 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #253 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Master Timmerman (freddie bishop) 2. Re: Juche Hyung (Ray Terry) 3. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:Big_People_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 4. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Philosophies_and_Ideologies_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 5. ITF - juche (Todd Miller) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:15:19 -0700 (PDT) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Timmerman Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you for your reply, its nice to be kept in check! I don't think I was being rude or disrespectful towards my sons' tkd instructor. I merely asked a question and it was answered promptly during my private meeting by the instructor. After rereading my last post, I did sound arrogant. That was not my intention. I was trying to say I know my son and how he reacts to different situations. If he learned the back stance with a straight lead leg and then he is told he is wrong, especially by the same instructor, and to form the back stance with a bent lead leg, he would become frustrated, possibly even lose his enthusiasm for training. Respectfully Fred __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Juche Hyung To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I would like to post this without offending anyone if possible. Juche (45 > movements) This Tul is for 3rd Degree Black Belt and was the replacement for > Ko Dang Hyung. Juche is a philosophical idea that man is the master of > everything and decides everything,in other words,the idea that man is that > master of the world and his own destiny. It is said that this idea was > rooted in Beakdu Mount which symbolizes > the spirit of the Korean people. > But, I've done some digging on my own and heres what I found. I found this > on the D.P.R.K. website. > The main guide of the democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) is > the Juche idea created by > the great leader president Kim Il Sung. The great leader said. "The Juche > idea means, in a few words,that the owner of the revolution and construction > are the people's masses." The Juche idea is based on the thinking that the > person is the owner of everything and use it to serve him. Yep. It is thought that Gen. Choi incorportated Juche into his set of forms to show respect to "Great Leader" KIM Il-sung and his teaching of Juche (essentially the state religion of NK). Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com >From koreascope.org. Juche Ideology North Korea's Juche (literally self-reliance) Idea was improvised in the 1950s for the purpose of cutting off the Soviet Union's influence, and as a means to purge Kim Il-sung's political rivals. At that time, the de-Stalinization movements were raging in the Soviet Union after the death of Stalin, who had helped Kim Il-sung seize power, and also criticism against Kim Il-sung was growing within North Korea for the failure in the Korean War. Now Juche Ideology is utilized by the ruling hierarchy in Pyongyang as an ideological weapon to justify its dictatorship and hereditary power succession plan on the domestic scene, as ameans to justify its closed-door system externally, and as an ideological tool to achieve a Communist revolution in the South. The North Korean Constitution stipulates in Article 3 that the North Korean government "shall make the Juche Ideology of the Workers' Party the guiding principle for all its actions," and the Workers' Party Charter also states in a preamble that "the Workers' Party is guided only by Kim Il-sung's Juche Ideology and revolutionary thoughts." Juche Ideology in 1955-66 had been a mere political catchphrase to support political campaigns designed to prevent theinfluence of the de-Stalinization movement from infiltrating intoNorth Korea, to spur the people to harbor the spirit of self-reliance in coping with the economic difficulties after thesuspension of aid from the Soviet Union, and then to justifyPyongyang's stand to conduct equidistant diplomacy toward Beijingand Moscow, while the two allies were engaged in disputes. At the same time, North Korea began to use the catch phrase to intensify the personality cult of Kim Il-sung and to justify his monolithic leadership. Entering the 1980s, North Korea put up the so-called "the fuehrer doctrine," explaining that "the Suryong (Leader) is an impeccable brain of the living body, the masses can be endowed with their life in exchange for their loyalty to him, and theParty is the nerve of that living body." This formed the frame of today's Juche Ideology and enabled North Korea to begin an unreserved propaganda campaigns to justify the father-to-sonpower succession plan. In the "Philosophical Principle of Juche Ideology," only theholders of loyalty to the Suryong are recognized as the self-reliant beings, and in the "Socio-Historical Principle of Juche," only the masses guided by the Party and the Suryong areconsidered as the masters of history; therefore, Juche Ideologyis none other than a sophistry to theorize the idea of personality cult of the Suryong (Kim Il-sung, and Kim Jong-il). The guiding principle of Juche Ideology, which emphasizes ideological and political reindoctrination of the people beforeothers, must be blamed for making North Korean people lifeless, which finally brought about economic devastation. Again, the fuehrer doctrine, which is represented by the "Theory of the Immortal Socio-Political Body," contends that "without the Suryong, which is the brain, and theParty, which is the nerve, the masses will remain dead bodiesbecause they are no more than arms and legs. Juche Ideology mustbe criticized because it is nothing but a theory of dictatorship even surpassing the fascist autocracy. The personality cult has transformed North Korea into adictatorial state ruled by a divine right of one person, and overemphasis on self-reliance has made North Korean society grow to be a closed one. Hwang Jang-yop, the architecture of Juche Ideology, who defected from North Korea in February, 1997, and came to Korea to seek political asylum, confessed that Juche Ideology is the "weapon of dictatorship" and that it has been used as a propaganda machine to deceive some leftist groups in the Republic of Korea. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:34:36 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:Big_People_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Tom et al: "....My suggestion is to be a little more aggressive. It didn't make sense to me either, but if you hit someone when they are coming in for a hard strike they will be a lot less likely to do it again....." I have been reading the various responses to this original post and doing an internal check. I have to tell you that even after some 17 years of training there is still a part of me that reacts to the person in front of me a bit stronger when they outsize me than not. I don't think its fear or ego. I suspect its a bit like when a person finds themselves in a dark, enclosed place and suddenly every sense goes on hyper-vigilance. Its kind of the same thing. Suddenly each and every detail stands out in capital letters and there is nothing commonplace about what I am doing. Now, I would be the first to tell my students that each and every technique needs to be executed with this mindset, but I am also honest enough to know that I have cut corners way too many times. Flipping the coin over, I would make sure that I had negotiated with my partner just how much authority was going to be used. There is some part of folks that seem to think that a bigger person can automatically absorb more damage than a smaller person. I have found just the opposite in actual experience. Too often bigger people are less pliant, less resilient. What this means to me is that bigger people actually need to be a bit more on the ball to watch out for themselves. The whiney, willowy guys that bends nine-ways-for-Sunday probably has less to worry about but we all usually have to go to work the next day. For the big person there is nothing wrong with telling a highly motivated partner to lighten-up as, though it might be ego-satisfying for the slightly built partner to disable his outsized partner,that partner still has to get up the next day, yes? FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:45:15 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Philosophies_and_Ideologies_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Manuel: "....."The Juche idea means, in a few words,that the owner of the revolution and construction are the people's masses." The Juche idea is based on the thinking that the person is the owner of everything and use it to serve him......" I think I can appreciate what you are saying in your post. Perhaps you might want to consider another view of this material. Actually I am not familiar with the hyung you mention. The reason that I raise my point is that perhaps there is growth to be found in many different views. For my part I am not sure, for instance, that I hold with much of what Marx and Engles had to say during the 1800-s. But then I can't say that I blindly accept what Adam Smith had to say in the 1700-s. Go figure. I'm not sure what that says about me as a person, but I hope it suggests that I can tolerate truth wherever I find it. North Korea is in some pretty sad states as I write this, and I don't think many would argue that a change in administration is indicated. All the same, isn't there something we can learn and apply from the ideology you mention? I mean, independent of the current NK leadership and the way IT relates to what you share, isn't there something we--- the rest of the world ----- can profit from this? I'm open to anyones' thoughts on this. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:23:14 -0400 From: Todd Miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF - juche Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Manuel Maldonado the D.P.R.K. website. The main guide of the democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) is the Juche idea created by the great leader president Kim Il Sung. The great leader said. "The Juche idea means, in a few words,that the owner of the revolution and construction are the people's masses." The Juche idea is based on the thinking that the person is the owner of everything and use it to serve him. To materialize the Juche idea means to maintain the position of owner of the revolution and construction and improve it from an independent and creative way.The Juche idea allows to create an indestructible unit between the people's masses and the leader, so in this way an independent and sovereign state can be built and the people can use their talent and power for the common benefit. Taken from the following website without permission http://www.korea-dpr.com This is one of the reasons I left the ITF back in 1994, I did some digging and found the same idea. I do not have any thing against ITF members but just take a look at the DPRK and what do you see and hear? The track record for DPRK is not very bright and shinning! I know this can be a sore subject but I have to ask Why did Gen, Choi align with the DPRK? Take care Todd Miller Korea Jung Ki Hapkido & Guhapdo ASSC. 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