Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:53:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #257 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Help: Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1400 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. thanks (Lucy Westcott) 2. posting (Lucy Westcott) 3. dobok styles (A. Boyd) 4. Haidong Gumdo Training Centre (A. Boyd) 5. Re: Hitting girls (rainbreaw@mac.com) 6. RE: On opening my own school (Kirk Lawson) 7. More on Korean Swords (Burdick, Dakin R) 8. Korean universities admitting influence of karate FINALLY (Burdick, Dakin R) 9. Applegate - Knife Defense (Ray Terry) 10. A Question (Jye nigma) 11. Re: opening my own school (Manuel Maldonado) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Lucy Westcott" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:02:15 +1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] thanks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Bruce I never got around to saying thank-you for the advice you gave me, so thanks. Better late than never :) I have started to work on what you advised, and will do so to a much better degree in a week, after my exams are finnished. At the moment, I don't have much time for anything. Lucy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Click here for more. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Lucy Westcott" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:05:15 +1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] posting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Everyone When I post to the dojang digest, my returns (enters) are ingnored, and my post comes up as one big paragraph. I am writing from Hotmail. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? Lucy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Click here for more. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:36:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] dobok styles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just to add a little local perspective from Korea regarding this dobok thing... During the summer months here in Korea the normal TKD uniform at virtually every dojang you pass is a t-shirt with 3/4 length sleeves and knee-length shorts. This is a development that I have noticed during my stay here. Sadly for those who sweat a lot, shorts haven't seemed to have caught in HKD or HDGD circles yet. As I hate shorts, I don't mind. ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:00:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Haidong Gumdo Training Centre Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The gradual opening of a training centre for Haidong Gumdo is underway so I thought I would let the list in on it. Full details will be available on the Federation website when the English page is launched in a few weeks. (www.hdgd.org) The Haidong Gumdowon has indoor and outdoor training facilities in addition to meeting, sleeping and recreational facilities. ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:03:17 -0400 From: rainbreaw@mac.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hitting girls Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Luke, Thanks for your post - as you'll know already from my post in the same mailing, I very much wish that my sparring partners would forget my gender when we practice. If you use decent control, and as a group everyone is looking out for each other during practice, then it really would be better for those girls like the one you mention, like the students of the poster Mac, and like me, if you give them the opportunity to enjoy a real sparring match with you (without feeling guilty about it). I'll grant, as Landa pointed out in her most recent post, that not all girls want this sort of exchange. There are many people (probably not just girls) who study a martial art for different reasons than the fighting applications. I think, however, that it is pretty easy to figure out (or perhaps even ask) which ones in the dojang want to become good fighters. Also, if the woman you were sparring in the story you told is anything like me, she may not have said anything, but she was probably extremely proud of herself for not only being able to take the blow and survive, but also for being able to come back up and wind you in the process. Obviously I'm not advocating hitting intentionally, or not controlling the shots, but you might just treat those women who really want to learn to fight just like you would treat a male of equal skill and rank. Tang Soo, Rain --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 9:21:00 -0500 From: Kirk Lawson Organization: Heapy Engineering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ("THE$DOJA@SMTP {the_dojang@martialartsresource.net}") Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: On opening my own school Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: Aloaf@aol.com > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:34:27 EDT > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] On opening my own school > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > The question I have, is regarding my dreams of opening a > school of my own. > I am an Irish american, not a single bit of Korean in me, is > it crazy for me > to think I can open my own school in an art that I have no > natural born roots in? Lots of people do it, sometimes very successfully. > Do you think I will be taken seriously being > an american teaching a Korean art? As seriously as any other of the multitudes of Americans teaching a Korean Art. If you're really concerned that the art you study and teach should be from your own cultural heritage, perhaps you should look at the rich heritage of Irish Martial Arts. It includes stickfighting (Shillelagh/Bata), Striking (Bare Knuckle Boxing), Judo-esque throwing and tripping (Bare Knuckle Boxing [Yes there ARE throws in BKB as well as advanced blocking parrying slipping etc.], Collar and Elbow Wrestling), Ground Fighting and Joint Locking (Collar & Elbow Wrestling - Irish American style same as Washington practiced), Kicking (Purring), and lots of weapons such as the Staff (Wattle aka 'Quarterstaff'), Knife, Sword, etc. All of these are highly developed systems with living traditions and manuals written by the Masters of old. Here's a place to start: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4933/shillelagh.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bata/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/classicpugilism/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collarandelbow/ Peace favor your sword --- "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:57:22 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] More on Korean Swords Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's an article from Korea on why Japanese swords are better than Korean ones. http://www.mooto.com/eng/webzine/news_view.asp?news_no=797 Thanks to Andrew Pratt for pointing out this webzine - lots of fun stuff! Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:07:52 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean universities admitting influence of karate FINALLY Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This piece was wonderful to find. Let's see, my first web article on this came out in 1990, right? I revised it in 1992 I think. Steve Capener's came out somewhere in there, and Rick Clark's came out in 1993 I think, and then of course Herb Perez put out his article and finally it has made it back to Korea! Sure took long enough! I remember getting so much hate mail and flames when I first posted on this -- I'm sure Ray remembers that time as well. http://www.mooto.com/eng/webzine/news_view.asp?news_no=776 Part of this has to do with the Olympic Karate movement, which got sidetracked by the Olympic tkd success. Now the Japanese are working for karate in the Olympics as well, and the WTF would like to somehow forestall the competition by taking the karate competitors into the tkd competition. More on that at: http://www.mooto.com/eng/webzine/news_view.asp?news_no=837 Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Applegate - Knife Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Knife Defense By Rex Applegate (from 1980s magazine article, exact source unknown) A successful knife defense depends upon being able to see the attack coming, or at least being forewarned through knowledge and training. A knife assault is many times launched in darkness, or in such a way that it is impossible to detect immediately the opening move of the attack, such as drawing the weapon. The soldier, military policeman, or law enforcement officer, therefore, should use the following general precautions in any area where he suspects a knife may be used against him. He should: (1) Dominate any threatening situation by maintaining a bearing that indicates confidence and aggressiveness. (2) Keep his back well-protected at all times by keeping well away from dark corners, the sides of buildings and driveways or by having a wall or some other solid object immediately at his rear. (3) Keep his own hands and weapons in such position that they are readily available for undertaking immediately the proper offensive or defensive action. (4) Prevent being placed in such a position that unknown and suspicious persons are within arm's reach of his body. (5) Always watch the movement and position of any suspect's hands. (6) In areas where slash knife attacks may be expected, wear heavy clothing (overcoat, shortcoat, or other), since this will furnish a certain degree of protection. Even strict observance of these precautions will not always suffice to prevent a surprise attack. On the other hand,too obvious precautions against possible attack may indicate a lack of confidence and fear which will only encourage an attacker. If an attack is launched at close quarters and the victim of the assault is unable to employ any of the common defenses, the only thing he can do is try to block or parry the thrust or slash with his hands and arms. Such a reaction is instinctive and is the only one possible under the circumstances. Although inadequate, it is better to sustain a wound on the arm or hand than one on the body, face, or throat area. A number of unarmed knife defenses can be undertaken in certain circumstances, but the soldier or police officer on duty should never be without his weapons. He should rely on them first. In police usage, certain types of knife attacks, such as those made by demented persons, can be stopped or otherwise restrained by conventional methods. At the other extreme is the cold-blooded attack made by the criminal of the most vicious type. In such a case, few explanations will have to he made if the officer draws his weapon and shoots the attacker down. As in other cases, the degree of force used in knife defense is dependent on the local situation and the judgment of the officer concerned. If he is carrying a baton or riot stick, the policeman can stop such knife assaults with this weapon alone. A sharp blow to the knife wrist, hand, or elbow will often stop the attack long enough to permit a more disabling blow. In many cases, if the hand gun is drawn, the mere presence of the weapon will deter the potential attacker. If time permits, a well-placed shot in the legs or shoulder can he used to stop the assault. Other circumstances may justify shooting to kill. Kinds of Knife Defense The following knife defenses are designed for situations in which the individual is unarmed, or for some other reason cannot use the weapon which he normally carries. It is here, especially, that knowledge of the ways in which a knife attack can be made is valuable in estimating the capabilities of the opponent. For example, the man who holds his knife diagonally across his palm and carries it close to his side while advancing to an attack in a crouch is obviously to be respected, and defenses such as the parry and the block (shown under "Defense IV" and "Defense V" on the following pages) cannot be used as effectively as those discussed first. DEFENSE I. Throw anything that is within reach, a handful of dirt, a hat, a piece of clothing, furniture. Follow up by using any object at hand for striking a blow; or use the feet in offensive action. Once the aggressor has been momentarily stopped or disconcerted, a counterattack must be launched immediately. DEFENSE II. Use a chair. The chair defense against a knife man is good, provided you have a chair handy. Grip it by the back and point the legs at your attacker. Advance toward him, making short jabs as you advance. The principle involved here is the same as that used in lion taming. The knife man cannot possibly watch all four legs of the chair at once when they are moving. He becomes confused and is susceptible to blows from the feet, which can be directed towards his body in coordination with a thrust of the chair. DEFENSE III. Kick out the opponent's knee. When he is down, follow up with an attack on other parts of his body. Stomp on his knife hand when he goes down, or kick him in the ribs or the head. In some cases, a block of the thrust, followed by stomping on his shin or top of the foot, will suffice. If you find yourself outnumbered and facing attackers who are apt to use knives, back into a corner and use your feet to keep them out of arm's reach. Never discount the value of the feet when facing an opponent who is unarmed, or armed with a club or a bladed weapon. DEFENSE IV. The parry is a good defense against the downward knife thrust. It diverts the initial direction of the thrust as it sweeps downward. This is better than the block defense, because the whole length of the arm can be used. By using the right arm to parry to the right, the hand holding the knife will follow down along the outside of the body. Even in case the parry is not entirely successful, a flesh wound in a nonvital area will result. Here again, the defender takes advantage of the instinctive movement of thrusting his master hand above his head in order to protect himself from the downward blow. The only difference is that the movement of the right arm is a sweep to the right across the front of the body in place of a block. Conversely, one can parry the downward blow of a right-handed man, by using the left arm to parry to the outside, but in this case the chance is greater of the knife crashing through if the parry is unsuccessful. This is because the defender's body is directly facing the knife man; whereas when he uses his right arm, the trunk of his body is turned away from danger. When you are faced with a knife held in the hand of an enemy for an upward thrust into your abdominal region, the parry again is a good means of defense. The parry can be executed either with the right or left arm as follows. As the attacker makes an upward thrust, sweep your right arm across the front of your body and catch the upward moving knife arm on the outside of your arm. This will divert the direction of the thrust to your right, or outside, of your body. The left arm also may be used to parry the weapon to the right, but better timing is necessary if the left is used. Any forceful cross sweep of the arm in any direction, such as in a parry, causes the body to pivot naturally out of line of the thrust. Once the parry or block has been successfully completed, you must move in close to your man and attack. DEFENSE V. The block knife defense. Almost all the knife defenses involve a block of the descending knife arm by grasping the wrist or by using the forearm. However, these do not take into account the extreme force of the downward thrust and its resulting momentum, which may cause the blade to crash through such a defense and penetrate a vital body area. Arm Lock Defense. The most common knife defense is the one which utilizes a grip of the knife wrist by the left hand, followed by an arm lock. In this, the momentum of the knife arm may crash through the thumb to the knife's objective. Another danger in using the common block-type defense-of grasping the knife wrist with the left hand-is that such a method depends upon good light and perfect timing to make possible a grip on the moving knife wrist. If the blow is sweeping down with great force and the recipient tries to grip the wrist in his left hand, the force directed toward the body area may be such that the thumb side of the gripping hand is liable to give way, thus allowing the thrust to continue toward its goal. Block Defense. The block defense is best employed when the gripping hand grasps the knife wrist while it is still cocked above the head, prior to the time when the momentum. of the downward thrust is initiated. A block defense against the downward thrust, which is more certain to stop the momentum of the stroke is executed by crossing the arms and placing them above the head, with the body in a slight crouch, so that the arms are in the path of the descending knife arm. An attack may be initiated when the knife arm is stopped. The same procedure is workable against the upward thrust to the mid-section. In this case, the body should be bent forward, so that the crossed arms divert the thrust away from the body. A straight block of the downward knife-thrust, by the forearm with the arm bent, is not advisable, since the momentum and power of the blow are usually sufficient to cause the elbow to bend and allow the blade to continue in its original direction. Block defenses are best used against individuals striving to strike overhead blows with clubs, and similar weapons. Defense To Offense! The key factor in concluding an unarmed encounter with a knife wielder is immediate attack, moving in close to the attacker's body, once the thrust has been parried or blocked. If the knife man is allowed to withdraw and recover, the whole procedure will have to be repeated. Either type of knife defense, parry or block, involves a certain amount of risk. This risk can be decreased only by the increased proficiency achieved in practice. Instruction in knife defense must be preceded by a thorough demonstration of the various types of knife attack. Afterwards trainees may practice the techniques against one another. For this purpose rubber knives, wooden knives, or pup tent pegs, as issued in the Army, are ideal substitutes for knives. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] A Question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here is a question for you all....when did you first fall in love with the martial arts? When was the first time you saw the martial arts and knew you had to study it? Jye __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:51:17 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: opening my own school Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Dan, Just wanted you to know my insite. My name is Manuel Maldonado a 5th Degree Blacl Belt in Tae Kwon-Do. I've been teaching Tae Kwon-Do for 20 + years. I have a small Association now. I'm never concerned with how much I charge or how much I make. I've either tought for free or at a very low cost. I have loyal students that never paid for classes teaching for me. One that comes to mind is Mr. Elliott Gomez a II Degree Black Belt and student of mine for 25 years on and off. He's a Captain in the US Army stationed at Ft Sam Houston in San Antonio Tx. We were childhood friends and I went to school with his older brother (whom is also a student of mine). I open schools and teach for the love of the art of Tae Kwon-Do. I know that there are people out there that do make a living off of Tae Kwon-Do nothing wrong with that. As a matter of fact I'm considering it know after all thease years and find myself without a fixed income comming in. I'm currently teaching low income kids in the back of a Market that I opened in Montebello California (LA). My classes now are Mon- Thurs. and I charge $40.00 a month. Yes I do have some students that can't afford that so we wrok around it as I said earlier I'm not in it for the money. Even though I'm looking to rent a locale so I will need to charge. If you ever need help or guideance please let me know. I tought in Korea as well (Army Base) for those folks that think I had a Do-Jang off post or anything. I feel that the Koreans I've meet and tought don't care much if you are native or anything just as long as you know your stuff. Please come by my website and let me know what you think http://devoted.to/taekwondo your friend in Taekwondo Master Manuel K. Maldonado _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustugold@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest