Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:17:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #258 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Irish teaching Americans a Korean Art (J.R. West) 2. =?iso-8859-1?Q?More_on_belts_-_a_=22hot_button=22_issue?= (Denise Lee) 3. Re: Korean universities admitting influence of karate (Robert Martin) 4. Ancestry Humor (L. Veuleman) 5. RE: A question (Manuel Maldonado) 6. Re: Irish teaching Americans a Korean Art (Ray Terry) 7. Re: Ancestry Humor (Ray Terry) 8. RE: A Question (Michael Rowe) 9. Loving the martial arts... (Eric Walker) 10. Poomse/Hyung/Jahng? (Lasich, Mark D.) 11. RE: Poomse/Hyung/Jahng? (Wallace, John) 12. RE: posting (Wallace, John) 13. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Gift_of_Gab?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 14. Miami, Florida Master Instructor Licensing Seminar (fwd) (Ray Terry) 15. AAU Taekwondo Newsletter June 2003 (fwd) (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "J.R. West" To: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:06:29 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Irish teaching Americans a Korean Art Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > The question I have, is regarding my dreams of opening a school of my own. > I am an Irish american, not a single bit of Korean in me, is it crazy for me > to think I can open my own school in an art that I have no natural born roots > in? My master is Korean, was born in Korea, lived in Korea, and travels there > often. Because of this a large part of my school consits of our local Korean > community- 35% or more about. Do you think I will be taken seriously being > an american teaching a Korean art? Actually, both my parents were born in County Cork, Ireland, and I'm sure that no-one could ever confuse me with a Korean National, but it doesn't seem to have prevented my teaching a Korean Art for many years, having a good sized school and many other folks dropping in from all parts to work out with me and mine. Teach a good martial art, teach it well, produce the best students you possibly can and everything will work out....J. R. West (short for something Gaelic that is unpronounceable) www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Denise Lee" To: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:42:59 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?More_on_belts_-_a_=22hot_button=22_issue?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If I might offer another perspective on a pretty emotional issue in the martial arts- If the real intent is to minimize the significance of the belt - of the rank it represents - then by not wearing the belt that indicates our designated rank, aren't we actually calling MORE attention to rank? What's the big deal? The belt is merely the traditional method of indicating the student's level of style-related martial maturity, both to the observer and to the wearer. The belt just "is what it is." No more, no less. There are certainly situations in which one might be training without that style-specific level of maturity. In that case, it's a non-issue to wear the white belt, the simple black belt, or whatever the instructor deems appropriate. Sure, it becomes tricky when attending seminars - like the USKMAF seminar in Jackson. On my first visit, I brought my white belt and plain top - not knowing Grandmaster West's expected protocol. As it turned out, in that setting where students wear their style-specific rank, it would have been inappropriate for me to wear the white belt. Not insignificantly because it would have shown a great deal of disrespect to the other attendees - an "I'm more humble than you" attitude. An unintended, but real consequence of an intended simple humble action. In MY OWN EXPERIENCE with my own students and with some of my peers, it - very often - comes down to not wanting to grow up and accept the inherent responsibilities of being an adult martial artist. Might the real issue be not THAT we wear the belt, but rather HOW we wear it? What do our actions indicate about the essence of the person with that piece of cloth wrapped around his/her waist? Again, I'm NOT judging the opinions expressed by my fellow DD'ers, just offering a different way to look at the issue. Denise intentlee@snet.net --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Martin To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean universities admitting influence of karate Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I remember when this first came out in 2001. It caused a bit of a stir on the moto web site (not much but a bit) and in the ITF forum. The funny bit for us was the mention of Choi Hong Hi. For many years members of the WTF/Kukki system said he was dead. In addition during the Sydney Olympics the offical TV web site said that TKD was 2000 years old. Robert Martin "Message: 8 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:07:52 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean universities admitting influence of karate FINALLY Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This piece was wonderful to find. Let's see, my first web article on this came out in 1990, right? I revised it in 1992 I think. Steve Capener's came out somewhere in there, and Rick Clark's came out in 1993 I think, and then of course Herb Perez put out his article and finally it has made it back to Korea! Sure took long enough! I remember getting so much hate mail and flames when I first posted on this -- I'm sure Ray remembers that time as well. http://www.mooto.com/eng/webzine/news_view.asp?news_no=776 Part of this has to do with the Olympic Karate movement, which got sidetracked by the Olympic tkd success. Now the Japanese are working for karate in the Olympics as well, and the WTF would like to somehow forestall the competition by taking the karate competitors into the tkd competition. More on that at: http://www.mooto.com/eng/webzine/news_view.asp?news_no=837 Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com" --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:30:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Veuleman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Ancestry Humor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jere, Vikings? Sorry, I couldn't help but see that Cheshire smile with a viking hat throwing somebody at the next seminar. Cane in the other hand of course. When you were competing in TX back then, were you ever around the USKA? I beleive it was the Association then (it is United States Karate ALLIANCE now) headed by Trias. Our old master Chittim was the TX state rep. Just curious. I always hear stories from our older guys about when they could get by without head gear, and how the gloves were absolute crap, some were even tough vinyl, and when a fist was made, there was a sharp crease that was created, ridgehands would actually cut you. Those were the days eh? Charlie Veuleman ************** L. Charles Veuleman - http://www.bluewavekarate.com Natchitoches Karate Institute - Chittim Jordan Tae Kwon Do 318-356-7727 Natchitoches Kustom Inks - Quality Screen Printing 318-332-1676 204 Rapides Drive Natchitoches, LA 71457 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:34:40 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: A question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For me it had to have been when I walked in front of a Dojo for the first time it was Karate I watched thru the glass window in awe I coudn't believe my eyes those guys lookes like superman or something. This was in Davie Florida back in 1972/3 when we moved to Puerto Rico when my father,( God rest his soul) retired from the Broward County Sheriff's Dept. I started to mow lawns and took up my first lessons with thease "flakes" Heru & Pata they were "Masters" of the Egyptian Karate system, but I trained hard and heavy until I meet sensei Montijo he trained me until I met Master Benny Rivera and started taking the beloved art of Tae Kwon-Do. I'm in love with Tae Kwon-Do even though we do have our problems but I feel that they really arent all that serious. Manuel Maldonado _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Irish teaching Americans a Korean Art To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >The question I have, is regarding my dreams of opening a school of my own. >I am an Irish american, not a single bit of Korean in me, is it crazy for me >to think I can open my own school in an art that I have no natural born roots >in? My master is Korean, was born in Korea, lived in Korea, and travels there >often. Because of this a large part of my school consits of our local Korean >community- 35% or more about. Do you think I will be taken seriously being >an american teaching a Korean art? Not a problem, especially these days. 30 or 40 years ago most of those teaching the KMAs in the US were Korean. But these days I'd venture a guess that the majority of those teaching the KMAs in the US are not Korean. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ancestry Humor To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Just curious. I always hear stories from our older guys about when they > could get by without head gear, and how the gloves were absolute crap, > some were even tough vinyl, and when a fist was made, there was a sharp > crease that was created, ridgehands would actually cut you. Headgear?!? We don't need no stinkin headgear. If you got kicked in the head, that was your fault. Motivation to train harder the next time, if you survived to fight again... In full-contact continuous Taekwondo tournys the only protection worn back then was a hogu, a cup (for the men) and maybe a mouthpiece. Some wimps (like me) wore those elastic shin and instep pads. No gloves. > Those were the days eh? Duhh, ummm, what were we talking about again??? :) Ray "my head hurts" Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Michael Rowe" To: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:18:20 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: A Question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net << Here is a question for you all....when did you first fall in love with the martial arts? When was the first time you saw the martial arts and knew you had to study it? Jye>> In 1978 when I saw the movie Billy Jack on television. That wonderful line - "I'm going to take this foot and kick you on that side of your face. And you know what? There isn't a thing you can do about it. Really? Really. I fell in love with the martial arts from that point. Michael Rowe --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Eric Walker" To: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:22:19 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Loving the martial arts... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Here is a question for you all....when did you first > fall in love with the martial arts? When was the first > time you saw the martial arts and knew you had to > study it? > > > Jye Hi Jye, I would have to say that I didn't really "fall in love" with the martial arts. Rather, as a young teen I wanted to learn how to fight better. This was in 1982 or there-abouts. I didn't get real far (about green belt TKD) before I fell away and started chasing girls and acting like a teenager. Well as I grew older and became a young adult I moved to the "Big City" and generally resided in the neighborhoods in the inner city, I again had the feeling of wanting to learn to fight better. I tried a few schools here and there but always thought back to my previous training with Master Toth. Nothing I tried compared to my early experiences. Time went by and I landed back in the town of my upbringing in 1996 and happened by an old worn out gym/weight room and noticed a small banner that said "Toth's Self Defense" on it. I figured that it had to be the same Toth. I was right and I now had the chance to continue something I had started 15 years earlier. Well that's been over six years now, and I don't know what I would do with myself without hapkido. I don't know that "love" would be the right term for me, but I certainly feel compelled to share the gifts I've been given as I am able. Hapkido has given me a large degree of control over my temper (big and Irish) and my body. I have an awful lot to learn and I look forward to it everyday. Cheers' Eric --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:10:53 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Poomse/Hyung/Jahng? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just curious if someone could shed some light on the various forms of Korean for form: Poomse - seems to be one of the more general references to form Hyung - as in Kicho Hyung Jahng - I've seen this in writing Do these all mean the same thing? Different? When is approriate to use one versus the other? Also, why is either used sometimes in conjunction with talking about a specif form, but not others. Like: Kicho Hyung Il-bo, but just Pyong Ahn Cho Dan???? Any information would be greatly appreciated. In the spirit, Mark --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Poomse/Hyung/Jahng? Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:31:43 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Add to that the ITF's word for them: Tul -----Original Message----- From: Lasich, Mark D. [mailto:Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com] Poomse - seems to be one of the more general references to form Hyung - as in Kicho Hyung Jahng - I've seen this in writing --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] posting Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:35:12 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would guess that it has to do with the way your web client handles line breaks. My software (Outlook) allows you to configure your display to omit "extra line breaks". I don't usually set it that way though, as people use them to make "white space" in email, as you've noticed. I don't use hotmail myself though, so I'm not sure how to tell you to fix it. Are you posting from Australia? Whereabouts if so? -JW -----Original Message----- From: Lucy Westcott [mailto:booksie_girl@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:05 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] posting Everyone When I post to the dojang digest, my returns (enters) are ingnored, and my post comes up as one big paragraph. I am writing from Hotmail. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? Lucy --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:20:56 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Gift_of_Gab?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Anthony: ".....Full details will be available on the Federation website when the English page is launched in a few weeks. (www.hdgd.org)...." Will this be just an informational site or will there also be a bulletin board/chat area? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Miami, Florida Master Instructor Licensing Seminar (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message from the USTU: The Miami, Florida Master Instructor Licensing Seminar will be held at the following location: June 20-21, 2003 Radisson Mart Plaza Hotel and Convention Center 711 NW 72 Avenue Miami, Florida 33126 Phone: 305.261.3800 Fax: 305.261.7665 If you have any question please contact me at the USTU office at 719.866.3622 or via email at usturef@mailsnare.net. US Taekwondo Union One Olympic Plaza Ste 104C Colorado Springs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 phone 719-866-4642 fax Thank you, Jennifer Combs, USTU Manager of Sports Programs --__--__-- Message: 15 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] AAU Taekwondo Newsletter June 2003 (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Here is your AAU Taekwondo Newsletter for June 2003. AAU Taekwondo competitions feature both Olympic and Point sparring, and traditional Taekwondo forms, including WTF, ITF, and TSD/MDK forms may be performed. For more information visit http://www.aautaekwondo.org In This Issue: *AAU Team Back From Aruba *National Championship and AAU/USA Junior Olympic Games Packages *AAU Tournaments & Events Schedule *AAU Team Back From Aruba Congratulations to the AAU's National Taekwondo Team which made a strong showing in Aruba. The team took home 11 gold medals, 13 silver medals and two bronze medals. Among the highlights was Jassen Holse who scored a knockout on his first kick on his way to the gold medal in the welterweight division. The team was lead by AAU Head Coach Jean Lopez and his brother, Olympic gold medallist Steven Lopez, also coached. The coaching staff also included Men's Team Coach Michael Sanchez and Women's Team Coach Terry Gautreaux. Complete results are available at http://www.aautaekwondo.org/. *National Championship and AAU/USA Junior Olympic Games Packages National Championship and Junior Olympic Games packages have been sent out to all (except one) qualifying championship tournament directors. Anyone needing additional copies may download directly from the Online Applications section of our web site http://www.aautaekwondo.org/. *Order AAU Merchandise Online Need an AAU coach's shirt, AAU patches, pins, ties, training videos, or gup rank certificates? Now you can order them online (no more printing out order forms). Just go to http://www.aautaekwondo.org/ And get all the things you need! *AAU Tournaments & Events Schedule JULY 2-5, 2003 NATIONAL AAU YOUTH AND ADULT TAEKWONDO CHAMPIONSHIP Knoxville Convention Center Knoxville, TN Contact: Mike Friello 2434 Troy Road Niskayuna, NY 12309 518 372-6849 518 372-6986 fax mfriello@aol.com JULY 29-AUGUST 1, 2003 2003 AAU/USA JUNIOR OLMPIC GAMES Ford's Field Detroit, MI Contact: Mike Friello 2434 Troy Road Niskayuna, NY 12309 518 372-6849 518 372-6986 fax mfriello@aol.com *The AAU Taekwondo Web Site Can Help You Want news, AAU Dan Certification info, tournament results, AAU merchandise, club or individual membership registration, or just the phone number of your Sport Chair? Visit: http://www.aautaekwondo.org --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustugold@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest