Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:01:48 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #267 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Hanbok (Klaas Barends) 2. Re: Charles Richards (George Peters) 3. Sparring: mulitple assailants (A. Boyd) 4. Thank You Master Lee (Charles Richards) 5. congrads (Charles Richards) 6. Hanbok (Burdick, Dakin R) 7. All these belts..... (Lasich, Mark D.) 8. dobak (Chris Hamilton) 9. Sparring Questions and Problems (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 10. Publishing of News (Troy Trudeau) 11. Learning To Fall (Pat Montini) 12. Re: rank (Beungood@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:50:44 +0200 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hanbok Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > if you find out who can get the hanboks, please post the info If you want to, you could let someone in Korea make them for you. I always import my doboks from Korea, I can have them in any size/model/etc. I want. The only reason however why I import them from Korea, is because the man who makes them is a good friend of my sabunim :-) I end up asking my students about 50 euro for a dobok. The doboks aren't that expensive, but shipping and customs are :-( I guess asking him to make something which resembles a hanbok, wouldn't give any problems. Just need one example. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:15:40 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Charles Richards Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir: Likewise I hope you will forgive me if I sounded stuffy or "uppity". I tend to be an extremely conservative person and am suspicious of any type of change. This sometimes gives me tunnel vision and I forget that there is a whole world outside of traditional TSD.(I will deny having said this,HA,HA) Bruce is quite correct about the belt worn by fourth through ninth Dan in our federation. The only exception is Grandmaster C.S.Kim. His Dee has two red stripes on the midnight blue. I have noticed though that he has never worn this belt in the presence of his surviving instructor, GM Song Ki Kim, his instructor wearing the belt and GM C.S. Kim deferring to his SaBumNim belt as a token of respect for this much loved and highly venerated man. I go in peace and wish you great joy. Tang Soo! George Peters _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:31:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Sparring: mulitple assailants Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I decided to put my money where my mouth is and arranged a free sparring session between myself and two opponents. Now that I have a network of friends and associates in Korea who are on the same wavelength (and speak the same language) this sort of thing has become fun rather than a chore. I was curious, how many on the list, regardless of style, devote any time to doing free sparring versus 2 or 3 attackers? One thing about it that I wasn't expecting was that my sparring stlye shifted radically away from the usual advance and strike crap and became much more like what the forms present - I felt more like I was fighting as a Haidong Gumdo practitioner rather than just being another kumdo-in. It was refreshing and rejeuvenating and I can't wait to do it again. (It is also a guilty pleasure to be one of the two attackers...) ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Charles Richards" To: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:31:22 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Thank You Master Lee Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From my perspective, the salient point is: > Train with Jung Do in your heart > The rest is commentary, Just please keep on inspiring FREEDOM. To choose. Wisely. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------Master Lee, First thanks for the history. I had dreams of attending the 50th like I wish I had unlimitted funds and time off from work so I could go to Jhoon Rhee's 70th birthday and the Houston NKMAA seminar after going to AAU nationals. Life is often full of hard choices that require us to use exactly what the Ko Dan Ja Dee is all about, balance. Your post reminds me that I may take the point down many different paths, but in walking first, I am entrusted with the fate of my fellow warriors (students) behind me. As I grow into this tittle, master instructor, I am reminded how important it is to choose wisely. Thank You. I pray that I keep a balance between providing my students with what's best for them as martial artists and clients, and applying GM Hwang Kee's philosophy of Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan. Live a life based in Integrity and you won't have to worry about the small details. Yours in Jung Do, Charles --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Charles Richards" To: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:49:09 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] congrads Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net By the way Charles, Strong Sah Bum Nim is being promoted to 7th dan this year. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- Master Dunn, Please extend my warmest congradulations to Strong Sah Bum Nim. He is a great man, and now one of four men to ever reach that level in WTSDA (that I know of). Dr. Beaudin, Daryl Kahlid (no longer WTSDA), Master Chambliss, and now Dr. Strong. I think some of the charter masters could have been as high as 6th dan before they left. Tang Soo! Charles R. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:28:13 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Hanbok Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I like the hanbok as well, but at this point you just have to have them custom-made. I have seen some Koreans wearing modern hanbok (not the traditional one, but actually much nicer) for taijiquan, but that would be the extent of using those. The modern hanbok run about $200 through the catalogs I have from Korea and although they are very attractive, I can get a really solid dobak for about $50 that will hold up to much abuse for many years. Hanboks should probably be used for demonstrations rather than practice, so they stay nice a long time. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang (E-mail)" Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:29:07 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] All these belts..... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've been reading in complete disbelief the discussion around what belt to where, when, and why....... What ever became of simply wearing the belt you EARNED, that your instructor gave you? We talk of history and remembering our roots, how can we justify adding some "flash" doing simply what we want, or hide behind a notion that someone is "high enough" to wear what they want! Tradition? Respect for their art? I for one don't think so! Until I earn my next rank, my belt will remain the same one I earned in 1996. My instructor still has my next belt on his desk - all ready for the _third_ time I test for my next rank! Even though I still train with him, but teach elsewhere, I know THAT is the next belt I will wear. Not one I purchased because mine is getting old, or doesn't say what I think it should, or doesn't reflect a new school, etc...... THAT is the belt that I will earn, and will be awarded. For me it represents the struggle of achieving my next rank, my instuctor's role in that achievement, and our shared celebration of that achievement. The only other one I could think of wearing is my white belt, because there is really much, much more for me to learn (especially why my white belt doesn't fit any more????? ;-) In the Spirit, Mark --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Chris Hamilton" To: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:45:06 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] dobak Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone, We have just recently changed our official black belt uniform in Han Mu Do to include "paji" type pants from the hanbok. I think they are great. They tie at the ankles and the waist, and are of fairly good quality. The under black belt crowd wears a modified paji, which have a velcro cuff around the ankle. Blue belt and up wear a black trimmed jacket, and 2nd dan and up have double wide trim around the collar. Have a great day! Chris in Baton Rouge --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:53:29 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sparring Questions and Problems Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Landa, Rain, Luke and the others, Several of you who are intermediate Tang Soo students have posted in the last several issues. I thought as someone who has been a student of Tang Soo Do a little longer, I might take a shot at answering some of your questions and giving you some ideas. First, we use the translation "sparring" for "dae ryun". Actually, that is not a good translation. Dae means to face, against or confront and Ryun implies exercise or repeating with precision. Dae ryun should not depict hostility, conquering or domination. Shin, Jae Chul Sparring is not about winning or dominating, it is about self-improvement. This is a very common misconception of intermediate students. You are in essence facing yourself as much as your opponent. With the goal of improving your skill through precision repetition. It is not about winning or loosing, but about improving your offense and defense, and about learning to understand an opponent and yourself. Contact issues probably began with the first dae ryun. First, everyone should understand what level of contact is to be expected and acceptable. I have graduated relative contact by rank in my school. Level of contact depends on the lowest rank in each sparring pair, and this is a fairly common approach. Age and size are also factored in. Mostly, it is fairly easy to work into, because lower ranks see what to expect at different rank levels over time. Complaints of too much contact or too little contact should usually be handled in a respectful sparring match between two students by voice request either up or down. The key is that all students must be taught to be respectful and that dae ryun is about learning , and not winning. The proper time is while the sparring match is in progress. Afterwards is too late. It is also appropriate to ask for more control or less contact, particularly if you have injuries or other factors before the match begins. A rule of thumb would be that people tend to use the amount of contact that they expect. So you may want to try matching the contact of your dae ryun partner. The instructor overseeing dae ryun practice should deal with excessive contact or other issues as the match progresses. If verbal coaching doesn't bring immediate results, the instructor should stop the match. Continuing problems with excessive contact are generally the result of ego and may have to be dealt differently. On the other hand, there are some students that don't want any contact whether appropriate or not. These folks tend to fear contact for a variety of reasons. Usually, they can be integrated by starting early and working through coaching. For others, it is just the opposite. They can't stand the thoughts of possibly hurting or even hitting someone. Again, starting early and coaching can do wonders. Remember, the goal is training yourself, and helping your partner to train. So going either too hard or too soft adversely affects training for both you and your partner. Intermediate students commonly have problems with focus and control. You can expect some bruises from dae ryun during this time, particularly on arms and legs. You should not have to endure injuries though. Sometimes it is difficult to tell which group above you may fall into or be dealing with without watching. Black belts spar with intermediate gups to teach and coach different things. A gup student should never be injuried by a dan. On the other hand sparring dans, depending on what you are working on can be very intense and humbling just the same. Hope this helps. You can email me directly if you like. Tang Soo!!! Danny Dunn --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:13:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Trudeau To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Publishing of News Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, I try to publish everything that is going in TKDT, I have personally submitted several of the Jackson Seminars and NKMAA, I also Have confirmation of an article that will be published in TKDT in the September or November edition this year, we all should be promoting the KMA as much as we can, we all are a brotherhood , like I tell my students, "Its not whats in it for me, It is whats in it for everyone, a team , a family, The Ohio seminar was great, GM Timmerman was great as always, along with SBN Lorne as well as Master Norton, Hope to see you guys there next year, Sincerely, Troy Trudeau www.wtswa.com --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:21:34 -0400 From: Pat Montini Organization: MGA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Learning To Fall Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net With Red Belt Combinations in Sparring that required one to sweep anothers leg the act of falling is very intimidating to me. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to overcome this fear of falling? Thanks Pat [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of pizzadp.vcf] --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:14:38 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 6/17/03 12:49:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: <<<<<< > I personally feel that the martial arts folks > that I run into are of one of two varieties, first, those who care what my > rank is, and then those who don't, and usually those who care will find out. > I had the absolute BEST time just being a student once more.  I also think that folks who wear a ton of stripes on their belts, which by the way tends to hurt my eyes while counting, is perhaps a bit pretentious, like the person who gets irate when you forget that he is a "grandmaster".>>>>>>>>> I agree with what GM West said in his post and also think Many hide behind thier rank or use it to gain stature or to make up for inadequacy they may feel. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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