Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:23:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #268 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Bon voyage (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Im "posters" (Rudy Timmerman) 3. Checking up on the orgs. (Rudy Timmerman) 4. Re: Rank (Farral, Kim) 5. Bill Wallace (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 6. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Rainbow_Coalitions=3F=3F?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 7. Overcomeing fear of falling (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 8. Sparring Multiple Opponents (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 9. Worn Out Welcome (DPRYGA) 10. Re: hanbok (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 11. being a student again (rich hodder) 12. Re: fear of falling (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 13. 3 on 1 and the problem with belts (Burdick, Dakin R) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:22:52 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Bon voyage Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net JR writes: > This weekend was also the time for the "First Annual Dr. Tavassoli Goes > Away Forever" party, prior to his leaving for Savannah, GA for a 5 year > General Surgery residency. Hello JR. Just when you get them trained the way you like them, they take off:) Isn't that a bummer. Please tell the good Doc that his friends at NKMAA wish him Bon Voyage. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:43:10 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Im "posters" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray writes: > Not sure which is worse. Guys giving out black belts to 4 year olds or > these guys. Perhaps they are all cut out of the same cloth.?. Hello Ray: I truly appreciated your "head up" about the fellow who likes to send everyone posters of his physique. If it was not for you, I would not have been aware that I apparently nominated him for induction in some Hall of Fame. Most folks who know me are aware that I am particularly stingy about promoting and/or nominating the people I know, let alone those whom I have never met. Sincerely, Rudy, Kwan Jang --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:48:52 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Checking up on the orgs. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Some folks pay hard earned money for memberships and/or certificates to their Instructor or school owner; however, they never receive these items. Then they are told by their Instructor that "the association" never sent the stuff they ordered. Sometimes this is true, other times it is the school owner or Instructor who never forwarded the funds. When this happens, the association takes it on the chin with bad publicity, and they (the association) never knew money exchanged hands on their behalf. My advise is this. If you have given funds for memberships or certification to your Instructor, and you do not receive anything within one month, please contact the association direct. I am sure that this will severely cramp the style of an errant Instructor; however, at least you'll know what is up with your money, and the association is saved undeserved bad publicity. Sincerely, Rudy W. Timmerman, National Korean Martial Arts Association Inc. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Farral, Kim" To: 'Dojang' Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:47:14 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Pil Seung... When I was but a wee White Belt some 24 years ago...I was always curious as to what rank Black belts held as no-one had stripes or other rank identifying markings on their belts at that time... I asked my senior ranking Black Belt, at the time, how to tell what rank a Black Belt holds if there are no markings on the belt...His answer was very simple...and he suggested I ask a few other Black Belts from other organizations the same question...So, at my first opportunity, I did...the following is the paraphrased response I received from no less than 5 Black Belts ...all from different organizations... "It is not important that you know my rank...it is only important that I know...if you would like to know...just ask." Pil Seung... The One and Only "TINK" 5th Dan TKD ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************ --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:21:43 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bill Wallace Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rudy, Yes you are right. Of the 5 techniques he commonly used (uses) 3 are kicks, round, side and hook, and 2 hand, one of which is his left hook. Danny <<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:31:47 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Rainbow_Coalitions=3F=3F?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Chris: "..... Blue belt and up wear a black trimmed jacket, and 2nd dan and up have double wide trim around the collar...." I was actually excited to hear that someone had done something that I had been considering---- then I got to the last line of your post. I just can't get my mind around this idea that people have to make some sort of display out of these uniforms to indicate their status. I have watched with much humor, the various combinations of red, white and black on the belts of Okinawan personalities for years, and had no idea that upper ranks of Korean practitioners had been doing the same thing! I have even seen folks with various sorts of chevrons, bars and patches all over the jackets (including sleeves and shoulders) indicating various levels of position in their particular MA pecking order. Sorta reminds me of the stories of garish uniforms worn by traveling personalities in the Japan of old. They too wore garish outfits to impress the crowds who came to watch their antics, not unlike the WWF of TV fame today. Personally I would like to see some sort of agreement come down where folks agree to a plain black, white or grey uniform with the right chest area reserved for organizational affiliation and the left chest area reserved for school or class affiliation. Just a thought..... Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:04:51 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Overcomeing fear of falling Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Pat, Overcome fear of falling by regular practice of proper falling techniques, beginning on a mat until you are comfortable falling on a floor. Danny Dunn <<>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:14:23 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sparring Multiple Opponents Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Anthony, We spar multiple opponents on a regular basis. I begin teaching this at advanced gup level. You are right. It really shifts your prespective and focus. It demonstrates the importance of moving an opponent, footwork, economy of motion and selection of the most effective techniques to put an opponent down as quickly as possible. Danny Dunn <<<<<<< I was curious, how many on the list, regardless of style, devote any time to doing free sparring versus 2 or 3 attackers? >>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:17:26 -0500 From: DPRYGA To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Worn Out Welcome Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As I'm sure many of you do, Our school has a policy that lets visitors and guests come in to class. Our only stipulation is they must participate, not just observe. This has worked well over the years until recently. For those of you with schools, what do you think the pros and cons are of having such a policy?...........Dave Pryga --__--__-- Message: 10 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:37:38 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: hanbok Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We have just recently changed our official black belt uniform in Han Mu Do to include "paji" type pants from the hanbok. I think they are great. They tie at the ankles and the waist, and are of fairly good quality. The under black belt crowd wears a modified paji, which have a velcro cuff around the ankle. Blue belt and up wear a black trimmed jacket, and 2nd dan and up have double wide trim around the collar. hey chris, do you happen to have any pictures of you guys in your hanboks? would love to see them. take care, mel :) Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1-573-673-2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1-877-847-4072 --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "rich hodder" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:39:34 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] being a student again Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear list, When I first started going down to Mississippi for Master West's seminars, it was with the intent of being a student again, and what fun that was. The thing about Master West's seminars is that even if you are a presenter you also have the time to attend a lot of the classes as a student. All you have to do is check your ego at the door and go on in and learn. I remember at one of the seminars a few years back, I wore a plain white dobak and a black belt without any thing, including embroidery, on it. When we were asked to line up, I went to my usual position and got some funny looks from those with all those stripes, I was politely told that I should move down again and again. I think I ended up in about the third row, center. As Master West was talking at the beginning of the Saturday session, he happened to notice where I was sitting. He got a very confused look on his face and asked why I was there. I told him and he said in an amplified voice that I should move to my proper spot in line, much to the chagrin of those multi-striped folks. It was very funny as well as instructive. Well enough reminiscing. have fun, Rich Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:41:17 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: fear of falling Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net With Red Belt Combinations in Sparring that required one to sweep anothers leg the act of falling is very intimidating to me. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to overcome this fear of falling? Thanks Pat hi pat, i'd say practise :). learning how to fall is as important as learning how to strike. does your instructor teach any falls or rolls? as i recall, youre in the executive division. maybe some of our mature counterparts on the list could reply in regard to concerns from that angle, too. take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1-573-673-2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1-877-847-4072 --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:13:25 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] 3 on 1 and the problem with belts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Anthony Boyd wrote: I was curious, how many on the list, regardless of style, devote any time to doing free sparring versus 2 or 3 attackers? Me: In tkd, I have sparred up to about 15 people at a time. 3 on 1 is about as hard as it gets, because after that the attackers start getting in each other's way. The hardest part about fighting a lot of people is being sure not to hurt anyone (people flying into each other etc). In fencing we used to fencing 2 or 3 on 1, but it is tougher because you can't really hit to the back of the helmet. The safety gear is all designed to protect you from an attack from the front, so fencing in the round is not as easy to do in free play. I also fought in the Society for Creative Anachronism, which holds actual wars. Everyone wears full medieval armor and large rattan sticks are used to beat on each other. I never fought in the Pennsic War, although that would have been a blast. The most I fought in was an 8 on 8 bridge fight which gave new meaning to the word chaos and a very good illustration about why one should not be in the first wave of the attack! In hapkido, we spar about 3 on 1 as a maximum right now, because you need to have good people to play with or injuries will be severe. (no safety gear, just about anything is legal) Most of the guys in that group have trained for 8-20 years, so they have great control. We still get injuries from time to time, but nothing major yet (knock on wood!). Mark Lasich wrote: We talk of history and remembering our roots, how can we justify adding some "flash" doing simply what we want, or hide behind a notion that someone is "high enough" to wear what they want! Tradition? Respect for their art? I for one don't think so! Until I earn my next rank, my belt will remain the same one I earned in 1996. My reply: It is just a belt. Think of it as a finger pointing to the moon. Remember... http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/Hoop/9568/finger.zip Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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