Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:55:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #269 - 17 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. new Dan belts? (Ray Terry) 2. Fear of falling... (Eric Walker) 3. Re: falling (Michael Whalen) 4. Han Mu Do unis (Chris Hamilton) 5. Sparring Multiple Opponents (Bert Edens) 6. Practice Falling (Bert Edens) 7. Why uniform uniform color? (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 8. Fear of Falling (Charles Richards) 9. Tradition (Rudy Timmerman) 10. (no subject) (Rudy Timmerman) 11. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Guests?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 12. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Training_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 13. garish uniforms (tntcombatives@attbi.com) 14. Re:Uniforms (Beungood@aol.com) 15. Need info - sensitive female issue (tntcombatives@attbi.com) 16. RE: Worn Out Welcome (Wallace, John) 17. Korean_Heritage (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] new Dan belts? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > We talk of history and remembering our roots, how can we > justify adding some "flash" doing simply what we want, or > hide behind a notion that someone is "high enough" to wear > what they want! Tradition? Respect for their art? I for > one don't think so! Until I earn my next rank, my belt > will remain the same one I earned in 1996. Do many schools actually give out a new black belt for each Dan rank? I have seen that, but didn't think it was actually that common. ??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Eric Walker" To: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:41:49 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Fear of falling... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Pat Montini asked: . "Breakfalls" are the answer. I'm mildly surprised that TKD of today often doesn't teach this technique at white belt. It was one of the very first things I learned in hapkido. You should ask your instructor about falling technique and express your fears to him or her. I'm sure he will be able to help you. Your fear of falling is very deeply rooted in you; it is one of our most basic "instinctual" fears. Have you ever stood up quickly in front of a six month old baby that was lying on the floor? He will panic, flailing his arms. He thinks he's falling. Don't be ashamed or worried about talking to your teacher, safety for yourself and your fellow students should be his main priority. Cheers! Eric --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Michael Whalen" To: "dojang digest" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:16:10 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: falling Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm assuming the term "executive" is the polite way to say "geezer". Being one of the younger "mature counterparts" here's my .02 First start falling from a kneeling position and when you are comfortable with that move on to low squatting , then to knees slightly bent , to standing , then getting some air. Just take it slow. michael "Every day above ground is a good one" whalen KSWnut --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Chris Hamilton" To: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:08:01 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Han Mu Do unis Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, Obviously it doesn't matter what you wear, it's what you do. I like our uniforms primarily for their durability. I've had my sleeve ripped off on a couple occasions with the lighter duty uniforms. Kinda like one of those old cavalry movies where they rip the rank off the uniform. The heavier jackets on average withstand about 2 years of hard use. They may sound garish, but they are pretty sharp as far as I'm concerned. I don't have any photos of the uniform with the new pants, but you could see the jackets here: http://www.british-hanmudo.com/History.htm Other than the wider fringe around the collar there is no other indication of rank. Dr Kimm wears the same uniform with the exception of the black shoulder patch that reads Doju-nim. Have a beautiful day! Chris in BR --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:06:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bert Edens To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Sparring Multiple Opponents Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I was curious, how many on the list, regardless of > style, devote any time to doing free > sparring versus 2 or 3 attackers? > ===== > Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher Greetings, sir... We practice taekwon-do as a base art (Chang Hon pattern set), which is basically for promotion and rank recognition purposes, but my instructor mixes in a LOT of self-defense, sparring, ground-fighting, etc. That said, at about red belt (3rd gup) we require student to spar at least 2 opponents simultaneously. And you must be able to do so effectively to reach 1st dan. One of my fondest memories of testing was my 2nd gup test where, when sparring 3 opponents, I actually threw one of them into the other's spinning heel kick. I'm a big fella, so I tend to use my opponents as shields, sweep or just push them down, and move on to others... Obviously, if they are armed, that's a different story... :) A little harder to get in close when they're wielding a sword... :) We sometimes practice 2 on 1 knife fighting, where the defender either has 1 knife or is empty-handed. Hard to end up on the good end of that deal :) <> - Bert Edens, 1st Dan Springdale, Arkansas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:19:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Bert Edens To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Practice Falling Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > hi pat, > i'd say practise :). learning how to fall is as > important as learning how to > strike. does your instructor teach any falls or > rolls? as i recall, youre in > the executive division. maybe some of our mature > counterparts on the list could > reply in regard to concerns from that angle, too. > take care, > melinda Greetings... I would also like to add that breaking the falls down helps. This is what we do when teaching our beginners. Start with a full kneel for side falls, then move to half kneel and finally standing, as you get comfortable. For rear falls, you just about have to start in a half kneel. Lots of padding, slow progression, and attention to detail (not landing on elbows, which can injure arms, shoulders, ribs, etc.), tucking the chin to prevent hitting the head and getting an ice cream headache, etc... <> - Bert Edens, 1st Dan Springdale, Arkansas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:24:38 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Why uniform uniform color? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce, Why not red or yellow or orange or purple? Personnally, I don't like any of those colors either. But if you step back and look at the big picture, does it really matter what color or how many patches a uniform has on it? Danny Dunn <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Fear of Falling Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Pat, Overcome fear of falling by regular practice of proper falling techniques, beginning on a mat until you are comfortable falling on a floor. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Pat, Master Dunn is very wise. Here is the system that I use for my gups, more or less stolen from my hapkido instructor Master Allison (his is more accellerated as his hapkido students need to know how to fall sooner in rank, but how I break it out is stolen from watching him teach proper falling at a seminar to non-hapkido folks). 1. You do the "fall" from kneeling or sitting (White belts) on the mat 2. You do the fall from squating (Yellow Belts) 3. You do the fall from standing (Orange Belts) 4. Basic standing rolls (Green Belts) 5. Dive rolls, retrevial rolls, belt (no hands) rolls (Blue-Purple Belts) 6. Your partner is now allowed to take you down usually a very basic back, front or side break fall (Purple-Brown Belts) 7. You learn to circle fall (Airwheel) on a thick crash mat (Red belts) 8. Basic yudo throws and falls (Red belts) 9. Working on throws that have circle falls and high back break falls (blackbelt) 10. You show up in class with a blackbelt on, I get to demonstrate the technique on you :-) (you're supposed to know how to fall). Like Master Dunn said, overcoming this fear requires you to go through it by doing it and never around it. I just break it into little victories. FWIW False Evidence Appearing Real Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:31:18 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Tradition Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mark writes: > What ever became of simply wearing the belt you EARNED, that your > instructor > gave you? > > We talk of history and remembering our roots, how can we justify > adding some > "flash" doing simply what we want, or hide behind a notion that > someone is > "high enough" to wear what they want! Tradition? Respect for their > art? I > for one don't think so! Hello Mark: I am glad to see someone still has loyalty to his Instructor and is proud to wear the belt and patches of his Instructor and school with pride. You are to be congratulated! Rudy --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:41:29 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Our school has a policy that lets visitors and > guests come in to class. Our only stipulation is they must > participate, not > just observe. This has worked well over the years until recently. For > those > of you with schools, what do you think the pros and cons are of having > such > a policy?........... Hello Dave: I also have an open door policy, and it is the result of having been welcomed in hundreds of Dojos, Kwoons, and Dojangs all over the globe during my early days as a wandering "martial arts bum". I still enjoy the many friendships created so many years ago, and I believe it is the same policy of brotherhood that makes JRs seminars such a joy to attend. Had it not been for the open policy at the West seminar you hosted, I would never have met so many wonderful people in Jackson and Wisconsin. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:12:51 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Guests?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Dave: "......As I'm sure many of you do, Our school has a policy that lets visitors and guests come in to class. Our only stipulation is they must participate, not just observe. This has worked well over the years until recently. For those of you with schools, what do you think the pros and cons are of having such a policy?..." For me, this has become standard operating procedure. I don't deal well with folks who want to stop by to "watch". I don't view the Hapkido arts as a "spectator sport". You come in, put on some comfortable clothes and come out on the mat with everybody else and do what we're doing. I think the idea of "watching" comes from the spirit of shopping. Apparently folks have gotten the idea that they are there to "buy" instruction. What seems to get lost is that as a teacher I have the right to reject folks I don't believe will benefit from instruction or will be a detriment to the environment. This holds true for both my college classes and private students, though I have not accepted a new student for private instruction for about a year now. The only fair way to really assess this is to have them out on the mat and get a sense for what they can do. Now there is also a downside to this to. I have had folks come into class, get out on the mat, and sooner or later they want to show everybody what they can do, and may often be sung to the tune "Anything you can do, I can do better", or the refrain "that won't work on the street; let me show you a really good one". Thats not a problem if their target is me, but it rarely is. Usually its some poor schmuck who has everything he can do to walk and chew gum at the same time and has all the athletic accumin of a slug. Those are the times that Bruce-Lees'-clone decides to demo some exotic material he thinks he learned. The Korean word for this is "disaster". :-) Word to the wise should be sufficient. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:24:25 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Training_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Pat: ".....With Red Belt Combinations in Sparring that required one to sweep anothers leg the act of falling is very intimidating to me. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to overcome this fear of falling?...." Funny you should mention this because when we learn side-breakfalls at Level 2, one of the drills is to face our partner and have them execute a shin kick to about mid-calf. The defenders' leg swings across their centerline and the go down on the same side as the swept leg. Obviously the beginning trials are nothing more than taps, with added energy coming as people feel comfortable. We are born with only two fears--- fear of falling and fear of loud noises. All the rest of our fears are learned. What this means is that the inbred fears must be dealt with by developing alternate behaviors to address the fear. The systematic desensitization that comes with regular falling practice is good but must be consistent. The one time that you lose concentration and let yourself get injured can effectively set your mental training in this matter back for months. Essentially what you are doing is building confidence that you have matured beyond the need for the reflex actions that we have to help us survive as infants. Don't rush it and work on it a little bit at each practice. What you will find is that you may still get swept when you spar but the result isn't as bad and you pop back up faster. Oddly, you might also notice another bennie as well. You may find that YOUR sweeps become better. I am not sure how this works but I have seen it quite a few times. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 13 From: tntcombatives@attbi.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:30:27 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] garish uniforms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings All, Bruce wrote <> At one of the last tournaments I attended, I was appalled at all the crap that has been showing up on dobok. Collar tacks, shoulder patches, chevrons of every color, time-in-training bars on the forearms, stripes on the collar-cuffs- pantlegs, colored belts with bars-stripes-stars-electical tape, magic marker names written on the collars....jeez, makes it look like boy scout merit badges...in fact, I also saw a bunch just like on my old scout shirt. I think I will just shake my head in wonder. Mark Gajdostik TNT --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:37:57 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:Uniforms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 6/18/03 10:38:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > We have just recently changed our official black belt uniform in Han Mu > Do to include "paji" type pants from the hanbok. I think they are great. > They tie at the ankles and the waist, and are of fairly good quality. > From the DD women, what have you done/seen done to wrangle in the uhhh.....chest area??? I have no ideas here other than suggesting a sports bra with metal welded reinforcements...any suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance, -- Mark Gajdostik TNT-Martial Arts --__--__-- Message: 16 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Worn Out Welcome Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:44:13 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, I don't own a school myself, but the first thing that popped into my head was "liability". Probably a sad commentary on modern-day America. -JW -----Original Message----- From: DPRYGA [mailto:ehccwmai@mtc.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:17 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Worn Out Welcome As I'm sure many of you do, Our school has a policy that lets visitors and guests come in to class. Our only stipulation is they must participate, not just observe. This has worked well over the years until recently. For those of you with schools, what do you think the pros and cons are of having such a policy?...........Dave Pryga _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 17 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean_Heritage Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: For Immediate Release Contact: Gabrielle Jones May 15, 2003 (415) 557-4282 Everett Erlandson (415) 557-4596 San Francisco Public Library presents "Min-Sok: Korean Heritage in San Francisco" June 14-August 21, 2003 CELEBRATING 100 YEARS OF KOREAN-AMERICAN HISTORY THROUGH PICTURES AND FILM San Francisco - This year marks the centennial celebration of Korean-Americans in the United States. The "Min-Sok: Korean Heritage in San Francisco," exhibit opens Saturday, June 14, at the San Francisco Public Library International Center, 100 Larkin Street at Grove, San Francisco "Min-Sok: Korean Heritage in San Francisco" gives audiences a first hand account of how Korean immigrants struggled to maintain a rich culture as they settled in San Francisco. "Min-Sok" means "folk culture" and represents Korean heritage and identity in the United States. Photographs and documents from private collections - many never before exhibited -offer a window into a rarely seen part of bay area history. Telegrams from 1945 reveal how many bay area Koreans rallied to support their countrymen who were becoming victims of the North-South divide in Korea. As apart of this exhibit honoring Korean-Americans, an exclusive public screening of "Arirang: The Korean American Journey," will also take place on Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 2:00pm in the Koret Auditorium at the San Francisco Main Library. Philip Cuddy, the grandson of Do-San Ahn Chang-Ho, a famous Korean patriot and hero highlighted in the film, will lead a discussion on the immigration activities that surrounded the Korean American community in the bay area. "It is an honor for me, a third generation Korean American, to have an opportunity to share stories and insight of the movement my grandfather dedicated his life to. The exhibit, film, and discussion at the San Francisco Public Library enables us to learn more about the history of a community that is well established in the bay area," said Cuddy. Producer Tom Coffman has created a dramatic documentary that covers the background of political forces in Korea that drove immigrants overseas, their arrival in Hawaii 100 years ago, and work by political leaders in exile to restore sovereignty. A discussion and reception will immediately follow the screening. "Min-Sok: Korean Heritage in San Francisco" and "Arirang: The Korean American Journey," are part of a centennial celebration of Korean-Americans presented by the Intercultural Institute of California. The Intercultural Institute of California is a non-profit organization in San Francisco dedicated to Korean cultural studies. For more information regarding the exhibit, call (415) 441-1884, or on the web, at www.iic.edu . --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustugold@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! 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