Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:57:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #273 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Jung Shin Spirit (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Hospitality (Rudy Timmerman) 3. Daves Visitors (L. Veuleman) 4. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Different_Situation?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 5. Re: keeping the cash flowing (Rulivin4hym@aol.com) 6. Re: Korea Media (J T) 7. Re: On second thought (J T) 8. Re: TKDTimes (J T) 9. Uniforms (lcanuck) 10. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Dreams_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 11. Jumping over kids (Burdick, Dakin R) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:46:51 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Jung Shin Spirit Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net James writes: > So, I had the 3 kids who were on their hands and knees stay there > while I added 2 more students to the mix. Hello James: I am sure you and I are not the only ones who ever had this happen; however, like me, I am sure you won't ever use kids for such a demo again, Just too much of a chance to break their backs or other important body parts:) IMHO, your reaction was quite correct. Not being able to accept you are a student (and therefore capable of making errors) is IMHO not a healthy thing. Laughing it off with your students made you human, and my experience has shown that most students and their parents prefer to deal with a human being who can accept his errors. Doing it again reinforced the idea not to "give up" without trying again. Succeeding on the second try showed without a doubt that trying again was worth while. Everyone wins! Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:53:22 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hospitality Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dave writes: > I have students from other area MA schools coming in to our classes on > a fairly regular basis. Some are blackbelts. At first I liked it and > welcomed them and didn't ask anything of them. Now I'm beginning to > resent that they are taking advantage of our hospitality. Hello Dave: You are quite correct in thinking you are being taken advantage of if area students drop in on a regular basis, and I would tactfully suggest that they should pay you a "visitors fee" because your insurance policy does not allow for non paying guests. My open door policy is designed for out-of-town folks who are not close enough to go to their own Dojang OR invited guests. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:53:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Veuleman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Daves Visitors Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dave, Man, I hear you on the visitor problems. Ever since I have been teaching, I have always had nomads wander in to my school, but the current place we are in has been the absolute worst, mainly I am sure because we are in a better location, so it is easier for the psycho's to find me. Within my first month of being in the new building, I had like three different styles represented by people trying to come try to 'work out' or be around my school. The best thing you can do, honestly and in my opinion, is send them on their way. Do anything you can, say anything you have to. Don't be mean, but they are only harming and confusing your group. Remember, your dojang is YOUR world, and it is not up for share. It is a sole dictatorship, not a democratic union, so therefore, you are king. Now does that mean any body wanting to come by to work out is bad? No, but more than a couple of classes and they should be paying tuition (money, not chores or teaching) and straping on that white belt. Don't let your generosity be your downfall. Long Live The King. YITMA Charlie Veuleman (can you tell I have had a bad expeirience) ************** L. Charles Veuleman - http://www.bluewavekarate.com Natchitoches Karate Institute - Chittim Jordan Tae Kwon Do 318-356-7727 Natchitoches Kustom Inks - Quality Screen Printing 318-332-1676 204 Rapides Drive Natchitoches, LA 71457 --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:55:16 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Different_Situation?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Dave: ".....Ok, heres what I'm dealing with: I have students from other area MA schools coming in to our classes on a fairly regular basis. Some are blackbelts. At first I liked it and welcomed them and didn't ask anything of them. Now I'm beginning to resent that they are taking advantage of our hospitality...." Whoa! Different circumstances altogether. Time for a Mat Fee, even if its just a token. One would expect you to be hospitable as the occasion calls for it, but what you are describing begins to sound like those notorious relatives that always manage to show-up right around dinner time. In my case I have donated quite a bit of time and resources to further KMA. Thats my choice, and even so I still have expectations for students who attend my classes, seminars, etc. If you feel like you are being taken for a ride, then you probably are. Time to do something about it, and not a moment too soon. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Rulivin4hym@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:49:20 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: keeping the cash flowing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For us multiple uniforms is not a way to keep the cash flowing but rather a way to make sure our students have a presentable uniform for tournaments. Especially since our kids train 6 days per week prior to tournament. We even have tourny sparring uniforms but instead of the parents footing the bill on those the school paid for them. How much a schools business practices focus around money varies...in my case it does not because often times I am paying out the wazoo to support my students. Michelle --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:14:47 -0700 (PDT) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korea Media Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Anthony, I have been to Korea several times for both business and to visit family. I have only experienced anti-American sentiment once during my first trip. Since then I have always found Korean people to be very polite and hospitable. Now I know I have been very protected considering I was either with family or business associates, so I never got to go out into the raw public very much. Being that you live there, have you experienced a lot prejudice against you? Or have you found that it is a small sect of people who hold such harsh views against Americans? Jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:32:00 -0700 (PDT) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: On second thought Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There have been organizations like NAPMA and I believe MAIA who have certification classes. Basically, they are generic overview of different topics ranging from Rank testing up to teaching people with ADD. Now granted we are buying into their terms of what is considered proper knowledge for all martial art instructors to know. Unfortunately, in the land of milk and honey, any Boo Boo the Fool can get a cert from a TakeYourDo school. Hell I was told I could apply and get a 6th dan (withfrom an organization. That would have been sweet considering my rank at the time was only 2nd dan. I could have been a GM of Takeyourdo (the art of fast cash). :) Jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:38:59 -0700 (PDT) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: TKDTimes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "...(yes, I finally have something positive to say) " Same here. They finally put my ugly face in there regarding a seminar we held. Unfortunately I didn't show any teeth...(sigh!) I guess that is why I am not grandmaster. :) Jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:54:45 -0400 (EDT) From: lcanuck To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Uniforms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael Rowe said, "Heck you might even wear a tutu. It just doesn't matter. " Michael, here is proof that you are right: http://www.precisionmartialarts.com/events/halloween_2002/index.htm Lois Knorr --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:34:01 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Dreams_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: "....How is it handled in countries where regluation occurrs? How can it be accomplished so that one group/discipline/art doesn't control over different, perhaps non-traditional, arts? Or can it?...." You blew me away with your turn-around. Welcome to the club!! CAN it be done? Sure. Does it NEED to be done. Most certainly. WILL it be done? Probably not. I have said this before and I will say it again. The overwhelming numbers of KMA practitioners in the US are NOT interested in the KMA. Rather they are interested in the images and fantasies associated with the KMA. Mr. Belt-w/-flashy-uniform wants to make a statement about himself, not learn to develope a better character. How many people like to "let slip" that they practice a KMA so as to convey to the listening audience that they are possessors of some proprietary, deadly ability or knowledge. How many want the bragging rights to "I have found a way of living that actually will make me a better person"! And the blame is not entirely the consumers-- nor the purveyors. Its a symbiotic relationship between the two. GM/Dr. Wannabe and others of his ilk are in business and remain so because they provide a service to folks who are just as image-conscious but only shallowly engaged in pursuit of actual MA training. In the course of any given week I get calls asking if I teach children, or will teach some select, specificed weapon, or can a person come and watch a class. I don't get calls from folks who are frothing at the mouth with commitment to learning an art. Most just want to see "what its like". Would I have gotten my degree if I had gone to the University with the thought of seeing what earning a Masters'degree was "like"? No, Ray, people like things just the way they are. They bitch and moan about MA teachers who violate children, abuse contracts, misrepresent the arts, and play fast and loose with tradition. I don't think anyone cares enough to actually DO anything about it. And, hey, thats their right. Just know that approach gets no support with me whther or not thats particularly popular. Personally I never believed that the KMA was a personality contest. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:07:10 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Jumping over kids Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I thought long and hard about responding to James' description of his flying side kick, but in the end I've got to say this. James, I appreciate that you have the honesty and courage to share this story with us, but actually you just described one of my worst fears too. My fear is that kids in a class could be injured for an instructor's ego. You wrote: >I had one of my Red belt kids perform a flying sidekick over 3 other kids (who were on their hands and knees) into my 100 lb canvas bag and >So, I had the 3 kids who were on their hands and knees stay there while I added 2 more students to the mix. This is one of the reasons I stopped judging breaking. Too often I saw adult practitioners jumping over a bunch of kids. To me this seems unsafe and unnecessary. I remember one practitioner for whom I now have a lot of respect, if only because of how he set up his break. After watching another instructor jump over a bunch of little kids, he instead set up metal folding chairs to jump over. If anyone was going to be injured, it was going to be him, not the kids! I'm sure a lot of people will think I'm being too rough on you, but safety comes pretty high on my list of priorities. If this post helps protect one kid, it was worth it. Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustugold@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest