Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 03:01:49 -0700
From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net
Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #275 - 7 msgs
X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net
X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com
List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. <the_dojang.martialartsresource.net>
List-Post: <mailto:the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
List-Subscribe: <http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang>,
	<mailto:the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net?subject=subscribe>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang>,
	<mailto:the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Help: <mailto:the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net?subject=help>
Status: O
X-Status: 
X-Keywords:                  

Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to
	the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
	http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
	the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net

You can reach the person managing the list at
	the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..."


<<------------------   The_Dojang mailing list   ------------------>>

Serving the Internet since June 1994.
Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource

The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts.
1400 members.

See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine
for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com

Pil Seung!

Today's Topics:

   1. Re: regulation (Ray Terry)
   2. Re: belts (Ray Terry)
   3. Regulation (Dennis McHenry)
   4. Public boo-boo's (Dennis McHenry)
   5. anti-American sentiment (A. Boyd)
   6. RE: Uniforms (Michael Rowe)
   7. Re: Public boo-boo's (Ray Terry)

--__--__--

Message: 1
From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] regulation
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:13:43 -0700 (PDT)
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

> ... Don't you think that influence and bribery dictated events more than 
> "legitimacy".  

Ummm, more,,, no. 

> Don't you think that will continue here in the States?

Of course.  It will never go away.  But is there a better way?  That is
my question...

Ray Terry
rterry@idiom.com

--__--__--

Message: 2
From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] belts
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:17:48 -0700 (PDT)
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

> <<<I guess it grew out of the repect we teach our students to show for their
> own belts: don't wash them, don't let them on the floor, tie the belt so
> both sides are equal (representing a balance of mind and body), etc......>>>
> 
> ...
> hit the ground, that is just sort of disgusting. The first time I was
> informed of this so called tradition I was rather shocked (I had been a KMA
> practitioner for about 20 years at that time), the teacher did not know why
> he followed this tradition. 

I must admit, a first for me too.

The story about not washing the belt perhaps stems from the false legend
surrounding the black belt (i.e. after years of training it eventually turns
black).  We know that is BS...

Ray Terry
rterry@idiom.com

--__--__--

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:05:11 GMT
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
From: Dennis McHenry <d.mchenry@juno.com>
Subject: [The_Dojang] Regulation
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<< Only they are allowed to award certificates that are "recognized by the Korean Gov't".  Has that resulted in quality control?>>

Of course it has.  Just look at Pellegrini and Hackworth!  They are totally legit.

... aren't they?  ;-)

________________________________________________________________
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

--__--__--

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:08:04 GMT
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
From: Dennis McHenry <d.mchenry@juno.com>
Subject: [The_Dojang] Public boo-boo's
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

I have one I remember….  I was doing a birthday party (the only one I’ve ever done) about 10 years ago for one of my students.  I hadn’t been teaching at this location long and thought it may help generate more interest.  One of the things I did was to demonstrate several weapons, knowing the kids really get off to that stuff.  One of the weapons I showed them was the nunchakus.  I was spinning them all around and doing all kinds of fancy stuff, and while spinning around my hand reversing the grip they went flying off  - off to the rafters/ceiling supports where they hung by the chain… and yes, the kids were entertained (that was my goal anyway, right?)  Luckily I had also shown them the jang bong with the other weapons and was able to use it to get the chucks down.

Yup, that felt pretty stupid.  I must not have looked too bad in front of my young student, all his friends and parents – because he stayed with me for years and became my second black belt at the school.

Mac
(unregulated and out of control)


________________________________________________________________
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

--__--__--

Message: 5
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:57:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: "A. Boyd" <anthonybtboyd@yahoo.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] anti-American sentiment
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

 Jeremy asked about the day to day experience with anti-American sentiment in Korea.

 As I am a Canadian, and do not look like a soldier I do not encounter much in the way of
directed hostility. I might get the cold shoulder in a taxi or hard stares in the subway.
Sometimes, they ask where I am from and warm up immediately when I confirm I am not an
American. Perhaps 40% of my language students relax a lot when they learn I am Canadian.
This doesn't mean that they dislike their American teachers. They are relieved because
they don't have to worry as much about hurting my feelings or starting an argument when
they try to express their feelings about world issues. 
 During the rallies at New Year's my wife and I accidentally walked into an area that was
host to a demonstration. The subway station we used was allowing traffic in to the area
but not out. As a result we had to move from one end of the street to the other while
listening to the then popular rock song, "F***ing USA!"  There were defintite splits in
the audience: those who had brought their kids and were there to celebrate New Year's and
possibly be seen on TV, those who were there to express their hatred for the American
Army, or the US's NK policy, or the War in Iraq, even saving the whales. It was
challenging to get from one station to the next through that mass of people without
getting angry at the hostility being directed at us, the elbows (normally unintentional),
shoving, and other passive aggresive assaults. One particulr gent tried to provoke me for
an entire block before I finally was able to make eye contact and thereby convince him to
hassle someone else.
  On a day to day basis it's not like this. Special events can lead to trouble, meeting
whackos can lead to trouble, dating or looking like you are dating a Korean woman can
lead to trouble, and like anywhere else being in the wrong place can lead to trouble. The
occasional student will be full of "righteous" and often totally misinformed anger over
something someone told him to be angry about.
  To balance that, some people will still drop everything to take a lost person where
they are trying to go and old men will still thank you for the sacrifices of your nation
during the Korean War.

=====
Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher
     www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

--__--__--

Message: 6
From: "Michael Rowe" <mp_rowe@cox.net>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:25:59 -0500
Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Uniforms
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

I wrote:

".....I think everyone needs to remember a uniform is only clothing.
Nothing
traditional about it. The Dobok or Dogi are really recent inventions. 

By tradition the uniform was often the undergarments. So by that
tradition many men should be wearing boxers, briefs, or Boxer Briefs.
Others wore what was common clothing for the times.

In some systems it was the tradition to wear the uniform of the warrior
(Samurai and Hwarang)....." 

Bruce says:

<<I agree with you on a utilitarian level. You're right. What does it
matter 
HOW we dress when we train? From a utilitarian level I can be in my
skivies 
or bib overalls. Thats true. However, for some of us, the idea of 
practicing KMA includes addressing the Korean culture in its turn. I'm
not 
saying everyone HAS to use a han-bok for training, but I think it should
be 
considered. I am not saying everyone HAS to use the MYTBTJ as the sole 
source for their training material, but I think it should be given
serious 
consideration.>>

I have seen various training possibilities from Korean Sources. Hanbok,
Shorts, even fancy Chinese robes.

<<			 I'm not saying everyone should abandon
Japanese-influenced tradition, but I think we should take a deeper look
at the Chinese contributions.>>

Ok, lets look at some of those contributions. Kanbun Uchei brought Pang
Gai Noon Ryu Karate-Do from China. He taught as he was taught. Only 3
simple kata, and the training outfit was basically underwear. From oral
traditions many have said that there are no standard uniforms in ANY of
the cultures until MODERN TIMES. No matter the country, or style what
one wore to train had more to do with comfort and functionality than
tradition.


<<When it comes to uniform, I personally would like to see teachers wear
12oz black canvas han-bok, and students wear 12 oz white 
canvas. No belts-- no patches--- no pins.>>

Personally, I would like to see the wearing of BDU type uniforms for all
my students. No belts just Instructor and Student.

<<						 You want rank? Given
them a cert 
they can keep at home.>>

Heck I don't think they need even that.

<<					 The Ken-jutsu/Kendo/Aikido
people have a 
characteristic uniform (hakama) and the Judo/Karate people have theirs
(do-
ji). The TKD/TSD people have a gi-like uniform and the sport folks have 
that kinda pull-over top (whatever its called). I think it wouldn't be
such 
a bad thing if traditionalist KMA people--- or should I say people who 
aspire to this, had a basic dress.>>

Each person should have a basic dress. The dress should have meaning to
the school or instructor. That meaning should be passed on the students
and emphasis should be made that the meaning is local not international
- others have different meanings and dress.

<<					 In reading an article about Dr.
Kimm in 
BLACK BELT magazine some months back he had pictures of folks who
members 
of a relatively obscure albeit elite band of very accomplished MA. I
seem 
to remember that there wasn't a flashy uniform in the bunch. FWIW. >>

And I seem to remember seeing paintings and drawings of Warriors with
FLASHY uniforms on the battlefield. Are we to assume these warriors did
not practice in similar garb? That would be counterproductive for even
the ancient warriors knew that you will perform as you train.

Flash, no flash. In the end doesn't matter, for if you focus on the
cloths you miss the point. It is like missing the forest for the trees.
Or looking to the messenger and ignoring the message.

Michael Rowe

--__--__--

Message: 7
From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Public boo-boo's
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:30:56 -0700 (PDT)
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Speaking of public boo-boos, like the one Mstr Mac mentioned...  Did anyone
see the video where the ninja guy is doing some cutting or something with
a sword?  Only he cuts off his own thumb (or finger).  He then picks up
the finger and they head off to the hospital.  Or at least I assume that
is where they were headed.  Maybe it was to the nearest tavern...

My best boo-boo was when I broke my foot doing a six board break.  I had
done it (6) once before, after working up over time from three to four to
five boards, a high roundhouse break.  Then, luckily in front of a fairly
small crowd, I did it.  Broke the six boards, but also broke my foot.  It
was fairly obvious to all that something went rather wrong as I was walking 
juussstttt a bit funny after that (ok, ok, funnier than usual).

After that, friends(?) were giving me baked boards for months. 

Ray Terry
rterry@idiom.com


--__--__--

_______________________________________________
The_Dojang mailing list
The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net
http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang
http://the-dojang.net

It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today.
US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909
719.866.4632  FAX 719.866.4642 ustugold@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org

Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com

Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com
Standard disclaimers apply.
Remember 9-11!


End of The_Dojang Digest