Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 03:01:48 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #277 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. on washing belts- and what you do with them after (Aloaf@aol.com) 2. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Why_not_here?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 3. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_A_different_thing..._?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 4. ITF vs. Kukki-TKD (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Aloaf@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:10:26 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] on washing belts- and what you do with them after Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 6/22/2003 7:08:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes:> > Dear Ya'll, > > On the subject of washing or not washing belts, those of you that think the > idea is useless, let me throw this on the table for you... > > It is one of the very few ways I think we have of making the importance of > hard work stick by having something tangible for our students. Its almost > like a good luck charm for the students. It is also a good way to learn and > show respect for things you earn, instead of leaving it laying around (refering > to the not letting it touch the ground rule). Sure, I have always thought it > was a bit silly, maybe even childish to have this 'superstition' , but why > not? Are we too good to beleive in an old martial art tradition? Heck > besides with the quality of belt out there today, one washing might be the end of > its life span. > > I bet you guys don't believe in Santa Clause either,ya ol fuddy duddies. > > YITMA > Charlie Veuleman > Charlie- I couldn't agree more. I've never washed one of my belts and none of them are "dirty" or petrid, or disgusting. They're worn, a little bit tathered from use, and I like them that way. They represent the work i've been doing as I advance in rank. Keep in mind though i'm a blue belt in TKD and don't keep my belts as long as many of you blackbelts for multiple years. As a question though- what do many of you do with your old belts? My master has an interesting idea that i've sorta of picked up on; I use some packaging twine to lash them into a tower of belts by rank. They make a nice wall piece and help push me to work twards mynext rank (makes the tower look better ;) ) Let me know what you guys do Dan O'Boyle Blue Belt TKD Aloaf@aol.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:28:22 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Why_not_here?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Bob: "....I can only speak for the situation here in UK but we have a very loose and workable system here. Anyone can advertise as a martial arts teacher but the regulating factor comes when you try to operate. You would be unable to hire premises or open a full time school as, without recognised certification, no insurance company would touch you. We need member-to-member, professional indemnity and public liability as instructors and this tends to be the controlling mechanism. Also, as UK is such a small place, all legitimate instructors know each other. I've been on the UK martial arts scene for 36 years now and there tends to be a fatherly eye kept on up-and-coming youngsters to ensure they don't bring martial arts into disrepute. For the life of me I can't understand why this wouldn't fly here in the States or why people would object. We have drivers' I can only speak for the situation here in UK but we have a very loose and workable system here. Anyone can advertise as a martial arts teacher but the regulating factor comes when you try to operate. You would be unable to hire premises or open a full time school as, without recognised certification, no insurance company would touch you. We need member-to-member, professional indemnity and public liability as instructors and this tends to be the controlling mechanism. Also, as UK is such a small place, all legitimate instructors know each other. I've been on the UK martial arts scene for 36 years now and there tends to be a fatherly eye kept on up-and-coming youngsters to ensure they don't bring martial arts into disrepute....." I can't for the life of me understand why this wouldn't fly here in the US or why people would object. We have licenses and certs for everything from massage parlors to construction companies. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:43:13 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_A_different_thing..._?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jeremy: "....He told me (through my wife) that more of the younger kids have this "hatred" and yet they really don't know why. I was surprised because I thought it would have been the older people who had more of the animosity towards us. Well..live and learn. ...." I think what you are describing is a bit different from what Anthony was alluding to. There are a lot of kids (teens to 20-s) who often get caught- up in the emotion of the moment and profess views or make statements that on the surface seem to suggest anger or resentment. As you noticed in your situation, a bit of scratching under the surface and it becomes plain that these younger folks may have little insight into the issues but just liked the feeling of belonging that comes from a "...yeah, me too" position. I think the most telling example are the demonstrations in the West Asian/Middle Eastern countries where folks spontaneously demonstrate first one way and then another. Even in the US look at the hate-crimes that spiked after 9-11 or the sort of "shoot-em-all-let-gawd-sort-it-out" attitude that popped up after the bombings in Africa or the attacks in Somalia. There is also something else to consider. Koreans, historically, have tended to be more reclusive than many countries. IMVHO I think it is possible that despite all the rhetoric and posturing, and independent of all that the US and the World have done for the Koreans, perhaps the Korean people themselves would simply like to have their "guests" leave. Its not really personal in my view. Anyone who has had guests over the Holidays, no matter how enjoyable, knows how good it feels to have their house back after the guests go home. Just a thought. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF vs. Kukki-TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net fwiw... NK TKD in the eyes of SK TKD authorities Yonhap news: Lee Sang Won and Cho Joon Hyung South Korean TKD authorities for the first time in history witnessed North Korean TKD in action. They all agreed that power was the foundation of NK TKD and NK preserved the tradition of a martial art. Both TKD had developed from a common root of Korean traditional martial art. South Korea developed the sport aspect concentrating on developing techniques for speed; whereas North Korea developed a controlled movement and power to dominate the opponent. The North Koreans maintained the martial art aspect of TKD. However the South Korean TKD authorities all agreed that since both TKD shared common roots, the basic moves were almost the same in both the SK and NK TKD. And if these two were unified, both the sport and the martial art aspect could be simultaneously sought and developed in TKD. Grandmaster Kim Se Hyuk of Samsung S-1 TKD team (one of competition teams in South Korea) said, "North Korea still maintains the patterns/poomses of 1960's South Korean TKD. The precise defined beginning and end movements of North Korean TKD when applied to executing techniques and breaking released an incredible destructive power". Kim further added that simply comparing the sports oriented South Korean TKD with North Korean TKD is difficult, however they each have their pros and cons. Grandmaster Lee Gyu Hyong who led the South Korean TKD demonstration team into North Korea last month commented, "North Korean TKD has more stability (in movement) than South Korean TKD which facilitates power delivery". He further added, "In addition to power, there were many NK TKD practitioners with extremely high precision techniques." One example, GM Lee Gyu Hyong specifically pointed out was a breaking demonstration by Ms. Lee Soon Geum, a 2nd degree BB who broke a pine board thrown in mid-air with a 360 degree kick, blind-folded. GM Lee praised Ms. Lee's performance saying "Unless you mastered all three criteria: Precise jump off (timing), distance estimate, and power, she could not have broken the board." GM Lee also said, "SK TKD competition has heavy emphasis on safety with protective gear and is based on foot techniques. In contrast, NK TKD competes without protective gear and utilizes both the feet and hand techniques equally. This is more dynamic to watch." Lee predicted, "If both the SK TKD's speed and NK TKD's power got together and balanced out, we could possibly forge a better TKD in the future." Ms. Lim Sin Ja, managing director of the Korean Women's TKD Federation assessed NK TKD with the following. "NK TKD is different from the speed oriented SK TKD. NK TKD's movements are simple but the precision and power stood out. The destructive power aspect (as the NK TKD) is something we should consider developing." On afterthoughts of the impressive NK TKD demonstration, Ms. Lim pointed out that the NK Women's TKD demonstration stood out. The NK women demonstrated power and the techniques that were just as equal if not superior to NK men's performance. http://www.taekwon.net/korean/new_webzine/sub_body.asp?news_no=2100 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustugold@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest