> Date: Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:38:05 PM America/New_York > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #282 - 15 msgs > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to > the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." > > > <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> > > Serving the Internet since June 1994. > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > > The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. > 1400 members. > > See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine > for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com > > Pil Seung! > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Grandmaster Suk Hwan Choi (John Johnson) > 2. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_More_degrees_than_a_thermometer....?= > (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) > 3. Re: Ready Stances? (Denise Lee) > 4. more on KMA wives tales. (Hapkido Self Defense Center) > 5. KIHAP heads-up (Ray Terry) > 6. Most embarrassing moments (Burdick, Dakin R) > 7. RE: Regulation (Michael Rowe) > 8. Junior Olympics (Vicky) > 9. Re: Belts (Vicky) > 10. Regulations (Eddie Urbistondo) > 11. Re: a tidbit (Tom) > 12. Re: Pelligrini (Manuel Maldonado) > 13. Re: Re: Pelligrini (Ray Terry) > 14. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_The_Honorable_Thing_?= > (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) > 15. More on belts. (Manuel Maldonado) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "John Johnson" > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Grandmaster Suk Hwan Choi > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:43:52 +0000 > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I forgot to mention that Master Choi is not the director of the IT > team. > That position belongs to Master Bae, Song-book, who is also a director > of > the Korea Hapkido Federation. > > His recent trips to America for the seminars were sponsored by the KHF > and, > as I said earlier, he has been sent elsewhere in the world to give > seminars. > Additionally, the federation is well aware of certain activities > occurring > Florida. It is not unlikely they sent Master Choi there for reasons > other > than just providing a seminar. > > Once again, Master Choi has treated me with respect and dignity, even > though > he is by far my superior. He took time away from his own master > students to > teach me when I dropped in unexpectantly one day. For that, and the > knowledge he gave me, I will always be thankful. > > John A. Johnson > III, Independent > III, Korea Hapkido Federation > > >> From: "John Johnson" >> Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Grandmaster Suk Hwan Choi >> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:44:39 +0000 >> >> I work with Master Choi on the English KHF Web site. I have also >> visited >> his dojang where he opened my eyes to ki (chi) and it's power and >> importance in Hapkido. He also spoke of his travels to Russia and >> America >> where he gave KHF seminars there. In my opinion, Master Choi is a >> good man, >> excellent Hapkido teacher, and someone whom several people in the KHF >> respect. >> >> John A. Johnson >> >> III, Independent >> III, Korea Hapkido Federation >> >> >> >> >>> From: "gaby noufaily" >>> Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>> Subject: [The_Dojang] Grandmaster Suk Hwan Choi >>> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:41:51 +0300 >>> >>> Does anyone know grandmaster Suk Hwan Choi the IT director of the >>> korea >>> hapkido federation, if yes what can you?say about him ? thanks >>>  abuelgab >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- >>> >>> Tired of spam? 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Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:58:53 -0500 (CDT) > From: > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] > =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_More_degrees_than_a_thermometer....?= > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Dear Folks: > > Got this in the E-mail: > > ".......... > University Degree Program > NO ONE IS TURNED DOWN! > > Qualify for a Bachelors, Masters, or Doctorate Degree based on the > experience and > education you already have! > > Our prestigious non-accredited university takes into consideration your > previous > academic credits, work history, and other relevent experiences. > > Seeking advancement? > > Our special program can help individuals who are being passed over for > promotions > simply because someone else with less experience has a degree! > > There are NO required tests, classes, or interviews. > > CALL NOW FOR FURTHER INFORMATION: > > Call 7 days a week: > > Call NOW: 1-773-509-5020 > > ............" > > Didn't see if there was any special programs for folks from Florida. > > Best Wishes, > > Bruce > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: "Denise Lee" > To: > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ready Stances? > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:50:10 -0400 > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Mark- > >> One: step the left foot out, while gently allowing loosly formed >> fists to >> come to rest in front of the knot in your belt with about an inch >> between >> fists. Overall apparence of the arms is that of a circle in front of >> the >> body. > > Prior to and at the conclusion of any neh ga forms or techniques. > >> Two: step the left foot out, while chambering both fists (bringing >> them >> toward the sides, but not quite as much as when punching), which then > thrust >> in front of the body, like punching to the belt level. Overall >> apparence > of >> the arms is relatively straight. > > Prior to and at the conclusion of any weh ga forms or techniques. > > Choom beh "philosophy" = "perfect start, perfect finish." So your > choom beh > prepares you for and completes your action. > > Hope this helps- > Denise > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" > To: > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:57:17 -0400 > Subject: [The_Dojang] more on KMA wives tales. > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Your knowledge is with you, with or without your dobok. The colored > belts > have only been around a short time, in fact, the whole belt system has > only > been around a short time! The colored belts do not bleed, otherwise > your > dobok would turn colors around your waist. I hand wash mine once every > few > months and hang dry it (I last wore a colored belt in 1978 and they > did not > bleed then, in fact not washing it, I was told in broken English around > 1975, was poor hygiene). All students in our dojang, correctly fold > their > dobok before leaving for the night. First thing you do, is fold the > belt in > half and then lay it on the ground. > > Lucy: << 1.  The > superstition: if you wash your belt, you will wash the knowledge out > of your > belt and 2.  The logical: if you wash colour belts, the colour fades > out of > them very badly. Lucy>>> > > > Well said Bruce and that is the way we do things here as you know, but > someone is now going to start saying this is a 400 year old tradition. > Within 5 minutes of receiving a dobok in our dojang, a new student is > taught > how to fold it! > > Bruce: << scattering ones' uniform and belt around an area rather than neatly > folding > it, respectfully and putting it in a bag, is an indication that some > message > is not getting through on some level. I am also not real fond of just > stuffing uniform and equipment into a sack, either, but again, thats > just > me.>>> > > > PS. The dobok is to be respected, it is a uniform and not a costume. > But > some of 'traditions' associated with it are not based on anything but > myth, > they are, for lack of a better term, wives tales for MA, such as the > washing > and not touching the ground. In other words they have NO foundation in > tradition. > > Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > From: Ray Terry > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:33:08 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [The_Dojang] KIHAP heads-up > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Just another caveat emptor... > > There is a new group of out Green Bay, Wisconsin that has affiliated > itself with that highly questionable group out of Florida. KIHAP is > the > name it is currently operating under. > > Be careful out there... > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:02:22 -0500 > From: "Burdick, Dakin R" > To: > Subject: [The_Dojang] Most embarrassing moments > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Ok, I'll jump in here. > > Mine was when I broke my wrist. Back in the 80s, I was practicing > spinning crescents and fell over. As I did, I posted (extended my arm > fully and tried to stop my fall with my open palm). I got a broken > wrist, which wasn't embarrassing until I taught my kids class a week > later and had to explain what had happened. Just a few days before > doing it myself, I had taught them falling and told them never to post. > Oops! > > Yours in the arts, > > Dakin > dakinburdick@yahoo.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > From: "Michael Rowe" > To: > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:37:42 -0500 > Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Regulation > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I wrote: > > Government Regulation is never the answer. It will always stifle > creativity. But it will eventually come to this country of the lawsuit > and will be forced to teach in a manner not productive to proper > training of my students. I will then become an underground instructor. > > Dakin wrote: > > Did anyone else hear the tip-tap of the little fingers in the FBI > noting > this one down? :) > > I write: > > As if the FBI gives a hoot. And they can come find me, I'll be teaching > dance :) > > Michael Rowe > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:15:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Vicky > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Junior Olympics > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Hi, > I'm new to the list and surely am enjoying the posts > and learn from them. > > Just wondering if any of you here are going to the > Junior Olympics in Orlando? > > I live in the Orlando area and I'm planning on > watching the tournament, maybe we'll bump into each > other. > > kamsahamnida > vicky > > ===== > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:22:13 -0700 (PDT) > From: Vicky > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Belts > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > A few weeks ago, one of my students threw his belt on > the floor because he wanted to play dodge ball before > class. I scolded him and told him he should not do > that again. I explained to him that he worked so hard > to get his belt and should value it. He understood and > I've never seen him threw his belt like that again. > > I saved all my belts, never washed any of them except > for my very first one (white) which got ruined in the > washing machine, lesson learned. After that, I never > ever washed any of my belts again. None of them stinks > I don't think:) > > take care > vicky > > ===== > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > From: "Eddie Urbistondo" > To: > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:27:24 -0700 > Subject: [The_Dojang] Regulations > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > One of my main concerns with regulations is: (1) Who will be > appointed to > oversee the regulating of martial arts schools? If any one > individual/association is in charge then the politics will be a bigger > battle > than that of today. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > From: "Tom" > To: > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] a tidbit > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:57:28 -0400 > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > This post is as close to smear as it gets. Some unnamed soldier in > Kosovo > with privy to inside facts...... As a reader of this forum I cannot > discuss > the topic with this soldier or even judge their credibility. > > While Michael Tomlinson has been posting for a considerable time and, > at > least in my mind, has credibility this soldier in Kosovo does not > warrant > the same respect with regard to his opinion on GM Pellegrini. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael tomlinson" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:37 PM > Subject: [The_Dojang] a tidbit > > > Thought some of you might find this interesting, it was posted in a > forum by > a soldier stationed right now in Kosovo... > Mike > > On another angle... > > I am not a Hapkido student, although one of my instructors holds a > black > belt in Hapkido. I am actually not interested in the "martial arts" > end of > this discussion. Perhaps I should say I am more interested in the > "honor" > side. I too read that Black Belt article. I know nothing of Mr. > Pelligrini's > martial background, except - It is listed there that he did NATO > Counter-Intelligence "combat training" or some such (it isn't in front > of > me) and "sensitive missions for NATO... This is ridiculous. I work > closely > with NATO, in particular J2. I called in a few favors to check this > out. The > man only served one year - his Italian National Service. He did not > have > "specialized training" and my aquaintances laughed at the idea of "NATO > Counter-Intelligence 'combat training'" > > Hey, I'm as happy as the next guy for people to do their thing. But as > has > been said here: give it to us straight. Don't get creative with the > facts. > Trying to build street cred by making your one year of national > military > service into ninja ops just isn't on... and don't give me any bull > about it > being so "secret" that it was classified and that is why there is no > record. > EVERYTHING has a record. > > The guy may be great. There is a Combat Hapkido school near my new > place > back in North America - when I am next on leave, I will check it out > and see > for myself... > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > From: "Manuel Maldonado" > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:09:44 -0700 > Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Pelligrini > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Forgive my stupidity. Who is this Pelligrini person all of you are > talking > about? I like reading the posts but get confused especially when the > topic > is good but I don't understand the content. Thank you Mr. Maldonado > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > From: Ray Terry > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Pelligrini > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:21:28 -0700 (PDT) > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >> Forgive my stupidity. Who is this Pelligrini person all of you are >> talking >> about? I like reading the posts but get confused especially when the >> topic >> is good but I don't understand the content. > > "Gm P" is the founder of the ICHF, International Combat Hapkido > Federation. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:54:56 -0500 (CDT) > From: > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_The_Honorable_Thing_?= > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Dear Charles: > > "..... Are you saying we > should make it harder for these honorable persons to pursue their > passion and access the less financially fortunate?....." > > I have to admit that your logic seems pretty tight. I keep turning your > post over and can't seem to find a way past your reasoning. Certainly I > don't want to add to the load that MA teachers carry if they are > interested > in taking a more commercial approach. And I think you are right that > more > regulation just adds another layer of bureacracy with minimal benefit > to > all. Is there, then, a way to increase the chances that the "honorable > person" you mentioned, in fact, has "honorable" intent? We can't have a > system which is 100% fool-proof or effective, so is there something > that > can be done that increases the chances that a dork won't set-up shop > and > become yet another blight on the MA or betray the trust of the > community? > How about past offenders, or multiple offenders who cross into new > jurisdictions? What about people who have all the right "paper" but > have > little or no idea about appropriate teaching methods, business > practices, > or social responsibility? I am right there with you about the consumer > needing to be informed and aware, but the charlatan does his dirty work > BECAUSE he is adept at misrepresentation. > > Best Wishes, > > Bruce > > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > From: "Manuel Maldonado" > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:31:34 -0700 > Subject: [The_Dojang] More on belts. > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > This topic is getting old but i thought I'd put my two cents in. Mr. > Charles Richards mentioned that he had his ( color) belts put up in a > big > hope chest. What i did was I have two sons and a step-son (whom are all > Black Belts) they all wore my color belts even one that was tied on me > by > Chuck Norris a green belt that supposedly has my name on it in Korean > (with > magic marker) the scribbles are some sort of Korean letters but don't > mean > anything but this green belt has a lot of sentimental value to me all > three > of my sons have wore it. the we have put the belts that i have left > over on > our wall at our Do-Jang. The Green Belt that GM Norris tied on me is > put up > I charrish it so much. And yes I got this belt when the movie "Good > Guys > Wear Black" oops I'm showing my age.ha,ha. My last point no this belt > has > never been washed. I usually soak a new Black Belt in water and hang > dry to > loosen it up. Thank You Mr. Manuel Maldonado. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > http://the-dojang.net > > It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. > US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 > 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustugold@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org > > Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com > > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com > Standard disclaimers apply. > Remember 9-11! > > > End of The_Dojang Digest