Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 03:01:50 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #288 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. government regulation (Neal Konecky) 2. Re: AHA (Chris LaCava) 3. Re: Hapkido Hoshinsul (ProteinNerd@aol.com) 4. TKD requirements (Charles Richards) 5. Dan Testing (Charles Richards) 6. Uchina (Khalkee@netscape.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:27:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Neal Konecky To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] government regulation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Bruce: For convenience, my responses to your points will be embedded in your original letter (which is edited for brevity). B: All MA school will have liability insurance and regular health inspections like the retaurants and gymasiums and health clubs do. N: I have no problem with liability insurance. There are many businesses that are required to have insurance. The gym that I belong to gets inspected by the health dept only so far as there is food sold on the premises. I suppose that is up to the locality. This raises another question about your regulation plans. Who will do the administration? The State? The Federal government? If you plan on allowing the federal government to become the regulatory agency, this raises a whole other philosophical debate. B: If the student is required to sign a contract mandating payment, then the school will sign a contract for delivery of service. B: This is basic contract law. A promise for a promise. However, if one party breaches the contract, the injured party may have legal recourse. How does government regulation enhance or augment several hundred years of contract law (going back to British common law)? B: Since teachers in public and private schools are required to have State Certification we can fairly require that a MA teacher likewise have teachers' credentials. N: And what about the gymnastics teacher, the dance teacher, the camp counselor, or the Scout Master? What about the guy that runs a kids' pottery program or gives music lessons? Do we want to regulate every single industry? And is the imposition of such a requirement fair? That is not as clear to me as it seems to be to you. B: And since most MA schools get their revenue in no small part from Kids programs maybe we need to through in the requirements for care-givers to children including a background check! N: See previous answer, but add the school bus driver. B: I think we can also set standards for uniform flooring, protective equipment, washroom and changeroon facilities, yes? N: Define "we". I have no problem with a private organization setting minimal standards for their member schools. I do not believe that it is a function of government to regulate every business. And while "we" set the standards that you suggest, "we" can also set standards for what we teach and when. In fact, we can have a standardized, government mandated curriculum just like the public schools. B: You see, Neal, we can take this as far as anyone wants to go and I can make a decent arguement for using just about any kind of licensing or certification ordinance one cares to use. N: And I am equally capable of responding to you, point by point. Of course none of this is responsive to my original question of, "What type of society do we want to live in? Do we want the government to try to protect us from every evil and every possible unfavorable outcome?" B: There are a lot of really decent schools and teachers out there, but not a thing to stop some jerk from using the KMA as a scam before he moves on to touting swampland or selling used cars out of his backyard. N: And this differs from any other small business, how? B: The KMA themselves don't seem to be able to police themselves, and the current leadership is too afraid that what is used to nail one jerk might uncover questionable behavior on some otherwise legit operation. N: And which of the myriad KMA organizations are you referring to? Which single organization has jurisdiction over the whole of KMA. (e.g., there are 3 ITF's) B: You don't want the government stepping in, organizations are scared of alienating members and losing revenue, and there is nothing to keep the scam artist from lying to or intimidating even the most savey consumers' questions. So what do you say? Is it business as usual? Just how long do you intend to let people use KMA like snake oil? N: First, no one asked my permission before committing their particular brand of malfeasance, therefore I am not "letting" anyone do anything. Second, I do not advocate that the status quo is perfect, and I do believe that miscreants should be dealt with appropriately. However, as you are suggesting changes to the status quo (i.e., government regulation) it is your responsibility to explain how your proposal will 1. cure the perceived harm that presently exists and 2. will not cause greater harm than it cures. And you are correct, I do not want the government stepping in. My apologies for a long post. Neal Konecky ===== "A general Dissolution of Principles and Manners will more surely overthrow the Liberties of America than the whole force of the Common Enemy" Samuel Adams __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:11:14 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: AHA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce: <> I talked with Joanie Wollmershauser, Master Mike's wife, a few weeks ago and I believe she said that Brian Labodis (pardon the spelling) is going to step in as head the AHA. Mr. Labodis was Master Mike's "right hand man" for quite sometime before his passing. Take care Chris "from CT" LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 3 From: ProteinNerd@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 02:56:53 EDT To: ABurrese@aol.com CC: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido Hoshinsul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Martin, I was hoping you received the video from Paladin and that you are liking it and learning from it. Interested in your thoughts. One of these days I hope to make it to Australia. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com Hi Alain, Sorry for the delay in replying. Firstly, let me say how impressed I was with the video. It was exactly what I was looking for technically, and the production was good quality as well, I will definitely recommend it to my training partners and anyone else interested in this side of HKD. Most of the techniques we already train as you would expect, although I did pick up a few great new additions which I've been using, plus it was great to get an idea on which specific techniques can and have been used for real and not just in the dojang. I hope you dont mind me asking but there were 2 techniques I was surprised werent in the video and was curious if this was a time issue or if you personally have found them not to be particularily effective. I dont remember seeing the "s-lock" as we call it in the AHG. Other styles I understand call it a "gooseneck lock". Hard to explain it but essentially arm is bent at elbow about 90 degrees and the wrist is rotated upwards to bring on the lock. Have you not found this to be practical? Also, you didnt include the shoulder throw, again was this due to time constraints on the video or do you feel the hip throw presented in the video is more practical? Lastly, I think I read somewhere that you were bringing out a new video, is this true? What is the topic? Thanks martin ps. If you ever come out to australia, I'm sure a seminar would be greatly recieved. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 06:40:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD requirements Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jason E. Thomas Chief Instructor North Austin Taekwondo Club www.natkd.com Dear Jason, I read your testing requirements and found them to be well laid out, with new cirriculum at each rank. I was a little surprised to see 1 and 2 month time in rank requirements, but settled down when I saw the 39 months minimum to 1st dan. Here are my personal humble views. 1. I think 1-2 months is too short a time to set the foundation of learning a new hyung even the basics like chunji and kicho (BTW you get kudos for keeping the traditional kicho and passai). 2. I like the required break based on rank, and the blackbelt breaking requirement, but you introduce breaking as a requirement a few gup levels before I do. Looks like it works for you. 3. I noticed there is no Jr. BB/Poome requirements and no minimum age listed, so how young do you start them, and what's your youngest blackbelt? 4. I like the pre-arranged hoshinsul, and will add that to my dan requirements. I let mine pick/create their own one steps. I only want to see 5 at Brown, 10 at red and 15 at black. 5. I see that you are affilliated with the AAU so I hope to see you at nationals this week in Knoxville! Pil Sueng! Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com 5. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 06:56:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Dan Testing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Fred, Here are the requirements to 1st Dan in Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do Crisp solid basics 3 and 4 move combinations Spin kicks Jump Kicks Jump spinning kicks Ki Cho Hyung 1-3 Pyung Ahn 1-5 Passai Naifanji 1 Breaking with both hands and both feet, one speed break and one power break (board size or brick based on weight). Age 12- do not break with knuckles of fist. Free sparring 3 rounds Olympic sparring 2 rounds Yudo give and take throws (no pins) 1 minute Front, back, side fall (high) forward, backward, belt and dive roll airwheel/circle fall 15 one steps of your choice A pre-arranged hoshinsul that includes, front, rear choke, head lock Knife defenses for adult Basic strikes escrima (youth), dagger (adult) We are considering the blackbelt letter Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 17:04:30 -0400 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Uchina Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a long-time student and friend who is Okinawan. She brought back some anthropologicial studies texts from her most recent trip to visit her family there. The text informs that the native name of Okinawa was Uchina. "Okinawa" is the Nipponized (Japanese) name. The original peoples of Uchina were Malays, Mongols, and Ainus. Mitakuye Oyasin. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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