Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 05:43:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #295 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Kong Shin Bop (Alphamarines@aol.com) 2. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_News_Flash_or_old_news....?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 3. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_World_Kido_Fed_vs_Korea_Kido_Assn?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 4. a few problems (Matt Kerr) 5. Re: Hapkido Hoshinsul (ABurrese@aol.com) 6. KKW Certificate & et al.... (Dewitt, Garrett) 7. Re: african american women (Michael Whalen) 8. AA female Blackbelts (Charles Richards) 9. Re: African American Women in the Martial Arts (Rulivin4hym@aol.com) 10. AA Female Blackbelt (Charles Richards) 11. African American woman black belt (Dena M) 12. Royal Court martial arts (Rudy Timmerman) 13. RE: A question for the list (Wallace, John) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Alphamarines@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 19:53:13 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kong Shin Bop Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To :Jason E. Thomas Chief Instructor North Austin Taekwondo Club I hope this helps, Kong Shin Bup (Do) was founded by the late Grandmaster Pak in Shyuk. Hapkido was by the now late GrandMaster Choi. The name, Kong Shin Bop literally translated, means "empty body". Hapkido, is way of coordinated power. In the West we might better interpret Kong Shin as "empty cup". The fact that Grandmaster Pak incorporated the entire old Kuk Sool Won-Hap Ki Do curriculum, added ground grappling techniques, and then added techniques of other ancient Korean arts (Tae Kyun Soo Bahk Do) seems to support this view. As with most Korean martial arts, Kong Shin Bup, Hap Ki Do practitioners have strong kicking skills. In addition to this, the style uses well over three thousand joint locking techniques -- including hundreds of ground grappling techniques not normally found in modern Korean martial art styles. Kong Shin Bup can be considered a Yu Kwan Sool (soft/hard) style martial art. Kong Shin Bup provides its practitioners with training in: acupressure healing techniques, meditation, breathing, forms, weapons, punching, kicking, throwing, archery, horseback riding, falling, acrobatics, joint locks, water techniques, pressure points, and a myriad of self-defense techniques that are totally compatible with one another. Hapkido used no horses last time I checked. AlphaMarines@aol.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 06:39:16 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_News_Flash_or_old_news....?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: ".....There seems to be little doubt that KSW was heavily influenced by Chinese arts, not the Korean royal family arts as claimed. Yes?....." Thanks, but the reason I posted the URL was to get feedback on what I consider a small but telling difference. Anyone who has read many of my posts knows that I advocate often and strongly for more recognition of the Chinese influence in Korean MA. I am sure than anyone who is at all informed about KMA knows that such influence has been vital in KMA development. The reason I posted the URL was that it has been the position of the WKSWA that the art that they practice reflects material ORIGINAL to Korean culture, and despite a significant lack of evidence to support this claim they have continued to reinterate this position regularly along their history. By contrast, the MYTBTJ which we discuss periodically owns, up front, that material is borrowed if not just influenced by Chinese material. I was also hoping that folks who are Korean- literate could examine the text of the article and perhaps gleen additional information. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 06:44:21 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_World_Kido_Fed_vs_Korea_Kido_Assn?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Folks: Has anyone been able to find any additional information on what is happening for people (such as myself) whose membership to World Kido Federation was inclusive of membership to the Kidohae? So far all I have been advised is that I would be expected to make a choice between membership in one or the other. It would certainly help to have some additional information but so far I have not been able to make contact with anyone at the Kidohae. I have gotten a couple of lettes from Sara Seo, Secretary General for the WKF but it is pretty general stuff and doesn't speak to the organizations goals for the future other than the up-coming Korea 2004 tour. Help? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Matt Kerr" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:55:19 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] a few problems Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all,                i am relatively new to martial arts and was wondering if anyone could help me. I have been looking unsuccessfully for ages now it seems for Tae Kwon Do sparring tips or mpegs on the internet. On a few occasions i have been lucky to find a few fights or forums that showcase such things but on the whole my search has been less than fruitful. I would very much appreciate it if someone could help me out. Also what is the best way to approach an instructor. Before i write on i do not want anyone to feel that i am wishing to be disrepectful. The situation is that our martials arts school has only been open for about a year and i am one of the more senior belts in the class and i can see that the class is dwindling away. We lost the best student we had about 6 months ago, i mean this man was amazing with his kicks and he had only 6 months experience. The reason he left was because he got bored of the class as we seem to practice our patterns more than anything else. If it was just these reasons alone i doubt i would say anything as i also practice another martial art and get enough self defense from this but its just that of the students we have left they are complaining that we are not getting enough self defense tuition.  I am at a loss as to what to do as i really like my instructor and Tae Kwon Do but i do feel that unless somethin is done the seniors will leave the class. any help would be geat. Many thanks, Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fed up with 56K? Sign up for a FREE BT Broadband connection! --__--__-- Message: 5 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:51:29 EDT To: ProteinNerd@aol.com CC: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido Hoshinsul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Martin, Playing catch up after our July 4th weekend and a bunch of projects I've been working on. My e-mail correspondence has lacked. Sorry. I'm glad you enjoyed the tape and that it was the kind of information you were looking for. As for your questions. I do have one version of the goose neck on the tape as a come-a-long technique, but plan to show variations in the next video. I did not do much with a number of locks on that tape, and it was basically time. (and wanted stuff for the next tape) ;-) I will probably have a shoulder throw or two on the next tape as well. I think they are valid throws, though I feel the around the head hip throw (sometimes drag down) can be easier to pull off in a real fight, and has worked for me in a number of situations. Part of it is that I got an eppon, or one point and instant win, in a Judo tournament when I was younger with that around the head hip throw. So after that, I practiced that throw even more, and it became my favorite. So naturally, since I practiced it more, was successful with it, etc. That's the throw I went to the most when needed. I've used others, but not as much. Sort of always go back to the few techniques you like and practice most. I did the Hapkido Hoshinsul video to teach certain locks, and then did the Streetfighting Essentials to teach basic striking, kicking, etc. Now I am working on doing another Hapkido Hoshinsul tape. It will primarily be more locks, with a few throws. Working on the outline now. I had planned to submit the outline to Paladin in February or March, but I'm a few months behind. Once they accept it, we have to set a filming date. The tapes usually come out 12-18 months after filming, so the next tape is quite a ways away before it will be for sale. I'm hoping to have my next book done, and a filming date with Paladin set before the end of summer. Thanks again, and I'm glad the video helps with your training. First and foremost, I want to put out books and videos that help people, and that people can actually learn something from. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Dewitt, Garrett" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:04:58 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] KKW Certificate & et al.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Piotr Bernat wrote: "Needless to say that I also know quite a number of people in the area who got their KKW certs at the barbecue or sitting in the office when the others had to perform." I am in 100% agreement with this statement. I have had so many individuals come into my DoJang with the KKW certificate or those still "waiting" for this certificate, who know absolutely nothing about the Korean Martial Arts but they sure know about the "sports TKD." Although we (our DoJang/Students) are in the infancy stages of training with Grandmaster Rudy Timmerman and the NKMAA, I strongly recommend that they eventually get the NKMAA Dahn certificate. To obtain this "prestigious" certification, the student must demonstrate the "quality" of their martial arts skills and their humane qualities as well. Thank You Master DeWitt --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Michael Whalen" To: "dojang digest" Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:15:05 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: african american women Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I went to a seminar a couple of years ago and this woman really seemed to know her stuff. I think her last name is Tracy and she studies @ Tracy's Kempo in colo. springs. From what I was told she was the first afr. amer. to achieve 4th dan in this art. I think they also teach TKD michael whalen KSWnut --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:27:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] AA female Blackbelts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am the only African American woman. I am also an assistant teacher. One of my students asked me if there were any African American female martial artist in TKD who is a black belt or above. I could not answer since I never really thought about it. Linda Denly was a national sparring champion in NASKA circa 1980-1987 in Tang Soo Do. If she's still teaching I'm assuming it would be master Denly now. I believe she made the black belt magazine hall of fame??? Tang Soo! Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Rulivin4hym@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:42:02 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: African American Women in the Martial Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There are several prominant African-American women in the martial arts. The most prominant one I know of are: Terrell Davis (Goju ryu) Nancy Price (Tang Soo Do and a member of Team CJB) Noreen Price (Tang Soo Do) Michelle Ates (Tang Soo Do) Prominant African American Black Belt Children Tonae Mayer (Young Won's TKD Academy and KICK Team) AJ Ford (Young Won's TKD Academy and KICK Team) Christina Gipson (Tang Soo Do on Team Triple X and a student of World Champion Anthony Atkins) All of these African American Women and Children are World or National Champions according to one of the various Tournament Circuits. The children listed all are from the NASKA (North American Sport Karate Association). With God's grace hopefully one or all of the kids will be on ESPN this year in the rebroadcast of the ISKA US Open Tournament. If you would like any more information on how to contact these persons just email me or leave a message on the list. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] AA Female Blackbelt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's a photo and write up on Linda Denly. I'm getting old, it's circa 1980 :-) http://w3.blackbeltmag.com/halloffame/html/83.html CR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:11:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Dena M To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] African American woman black belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>I am the only African American woman. I am also an assistant teacher. One of my students asked me if there were any African American female martial artist in TKD who is a black belt or above. I could not answer since I never really thought about it.<< I am not sure which organization you are part of, but we have an African American woman black belt in our class. She tested for her 1st Dan in 1999 and is getting ready to test for her 2nd Dan sometime after the first of the year. She is very remarkable, she has a pinched nerve in her back and other health problems, and still keeps coming to classes. We are with the USTF. Dena Martin --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:12:20 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Royal Court martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray writes: > There seems to be little doubt that KSW was heavily influenced by > Chinese > arts, not the Korean royal family arts as claimed. Yes? Hello Ray: According to GM Suh, his grand father was an Instructor at the Royal Court; however, I have not been able to verify this story anywhere. This could simply mean that my research skills are lacking. Most Kuk Sool Instructors I have met over the years agree that there are striking similarities between Kuk Sool and Chinese arts. My personal opinion on this is quite simple. I believe it impossible NOT to have military arts influence one another when they have interacted in war. Similarly, common sense tells me that bordering Nations are bound to have an impact on each others' culture, arts, and even their language. This is as true today as it was in the old days. For example, a slogan used by the state of Michigan states: "Say Ya to the UP, eh":) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] A question for the list Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:17:08 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Landa I think you need look no further than the National Team for the Olympics! Liz Evans http://www.ustu.org/athletes/athletes/evansliz.shtml Jada Monroe http://www.ustu.org/athletes/athletes/jadamonroe.shtml Good luck with your event! John W. I Dan Fremont, CA -----Original Message----- From: TeachingInChina@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 9:29 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] A question for the list I have a question for the list. If anyone can help me please reply. In my Dojo, I am the only African American woman. I am also an assistant teacher. One of my students asked me if there were any African American female martial artist in TKD who is a black belt or above. I could not answer since I never really thought about it. I tried searching on the Internet, but I could not find anything. Can someone please help? Any martial arts form that has an African American female would help. I am planning an event with inner city women and children and this is something I should prepare for. Thanks Landa 5th gup TKD "He who learns without thinking will be bewildered; he who thinks without learning will be in danger." Confucius _______________________________________________ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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