Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:31:04 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #319 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Seminar Information (Bernard Maginnity) 2. Re: Jye's Funny Hand (John Wallace) 3. Re: Learning Korean (K. Barends) 4. Re: GMst Timmerman's Seminar in Chicago (J T) 5. Fists and healing (Charles Richards) 6. GM Timmerman Seminar in Houston (Wicker, H. Keith) 7. new dojjang subscriber here (wendy lavery) 8. Re: new dojjang subscriber here (Braeswood Martial Arts) 9. phoenix eye fist (Eddie Urbistondo) 10. RE: GM Timmerman Seminar in Houston (Jason E. Thomas (Y!)) 11. RE: new dojjang subscriber here (Jason E. Thomas (Y!)) 12. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Dealing_With_Politics_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:11:14 +1000 From: "Bernard Maginnity" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Seminar Information Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Seminar Information. The International Hapkido Alliance is proud to announce the up and coming Hapkido "Round the World Tour" 2003 with Master Geoff J. Booth. Current plans will see seminars being held across the US (CA, NV, TX, MN, PA, MD, NY), Canada, UK, Germany and Finland. For more information you can contact the IHA on hapkido@bigpond.net.au Regards Bernard Maginnity IHA Liaison Officer NOTICE The information contained in this electronic mail message is privileged and confidential, and is intended only for use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing it. Mission Australia has implemented anti-virus software, and whilst all care is taken, it is the recipient's responsibility to ensure that any attachments are scanned for viruses prior to use. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "John Wallace" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Jye's Funny Hand Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 21:01:31 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What's the one called where the tips of all five digits are brought together, forming a sort of cone shape for the hand? I imagine its for pressure point striking, as you surely cannot exert much physical force with it -John W. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:28:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Jye's Funny Hand Yes Pheonix eye is the fist and a particular style of kung fu. It actually looks similar to when you're holding a gun squeezing the trigger. Jye --- "L. Veuleman" wrote: > Jye, > > Pheonix Eye? You mean like in Hungetsu before the > first turn? If so, we are way too simple. We call > that... > > are you ready?...... > > "One Knuckle Strike" > > Pretty easy huh? I looked at a website a while > back, maybe five years ago, that had a section on a > bunch of Kung Fu 'special' striking hand formations, > but I can't find it now. Anyone know of one that > exists, just for veiwing pleasure of course. > > 318-332-1676 > 204 Rapides Drive > Natchitoches, LA 71457 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/24/2003 --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:53:30 +0200 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Learning Korean From: "K. Barends" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It has been mentioned before. Find a Korean church, they often teach Korean at a reasonable price. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 05:54:50 -0700 (PDT) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: GMst Timmerman's Seminar in Chicago Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As we speak, I am trying to find one place in my body that isn't sore from yesterday's events. GMst Timmerman and Larin gave a wonderful seminar on basics of his system. Let me just say that if what we were shown were basics, I really feel bad for anyone crossing their paths the wrong way. GMst Timmerman was very detailed in his explainations and was very open to help even the lowest of rank to understand everything. The main focus of the seminar, or should I say what I got most from the seminar, was showing how to flow from one point of a technique to the next by using proper angles and mainipulation of the joints. The highlight of the seminar was demonstrating the soft slap to break a 2" concrete block. After Larin's demonstration (by the way that poor boy should be promoted as high as possible for all the abuse he took from GM ha.ha.haha)we had several people go up and try it. Many black belt men gave it go and didn't quite make it. One orange belt lady, who's 7 year old son was watching, did it on the first try. To see how her son's eyes lit up when she did it was priceless. I also had the pleasure of meeting Mst. Sims for the first time as well. It was pleasure sitting down with him discussing sword forms and technique (all post seminar of course). Thanks to our hosts, Mst. Gavin and Mst. Stigall, two of the finest instructors and men out there, we were able to spend some more off mat time with GMst disscussing everything under the sun. So to sum it up, for all those who have a chance to work with GMst Timmerman, take it. It is time well spent. Jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 06:16:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Fists and healing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Charles you are actually correct. different points when pressed or struck with certain amounts of pressure at certain angles can be used for negative reasons. In fact Dim Mak is simply the same method used in accupressure/accupuncture but used in the opposite manner. <> OK you caught me, I have been using Shiatsu in my intuitive massage for years and am just recently (over the last 5-7 years) been learning the harm part of various tsubo. If you know of any good resources on Dim Mak and better yet Dim Mak and healing discussed in balance please forward on or off list. Yours in jung do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Wicker, H. Keith" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:53:14 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Timmerman Seminar in Houston Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Members, I just wanted to say I had a memorable time this past Saturday at GM Timmerman's seminar at Kat Kelly's dojang in Houston. Kat was a wonderful host as always. Kat has a great school with serious and skilled students. It was great to see GM Rudy Timmerman and his senior instructors once again. I want to thank GM Timmerman for his patience with all my questions. He is such a great teacher! I also felt honored to have GM Timmerman demonstrate a few techniques on me, which really helped with my learning process! I highly recommend attending a seminar with GM Timmerman if you have the chance. It was great to finally meet Master Jason Thomas, a TKD stylist from Austin, and work out with him and his students. I had the opportunity to discuss TKD topics with Master Thomas and I appreciated his willingness to share his knowledge of the art. I look forward to visiting with Master Thomas and his students again and I will take him up on his offer to come visit his dojang. I am glad that Master Thomas and his students will be making the journey back to Houston in October for GM West's seminar at GM Hodder's dojang in Seabrook. I also had the honor of being Master McHenry's partner during his instruction of sweeping techniques. I gained a whole new appreciation for sweeping and I hope to have Master McHenry come teach another TSD seminar at my school in the near future. I encourage members if they have the chance to attend one of Master McHenry's workshops at GM West's USKMAF international seminar in Jackson, MS this September. Sincerely, Keith Wicker Wicker's Korean Martial Arts, USKMAF League City, TX --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "wendy lavery" To: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:18:27 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] new dojjang subscriber here Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello! I'm new to the dojang.Would like to express my appreciation to this site!I've been looking for ways to connect with fellow martial artists!Is there a chat room (martial arts)anywhere??? thanks lots!!! wendy lavery --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] new dojjang subscriber here Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:35:35 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Welcome aboard Wendy, Your gonna have a great time here. If you are ever in the Houston area, look me up. Kat Kelly --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Eddie Urbistondo" To: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:49:31 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] phoenix eye fist Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Many styles of kung fu use the phoenix eye fist. The style mostly known for the phoenix eye fist is Southern Praying Mantis kung fu. It is an internal/external system. My master's website is www.ckfa.com Eddie Urbistondo --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Jason E. Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] GM Timmerman Seminar in Houston Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:00:53 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Keith, Thanks for the kind words. You're always welcome in Austin as are any members of the Dojang Digest! I look forward to seeing you at GM West's seminar. Regards, Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: Wicker, H. Keith [mailto:Wicker@cl.uh.edu] > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 10:53 AM > To: 'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net' > Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Timmerman Seminar in Houston > > Dear Members, > > I just wanted to say I had a memorable time this past Saturday at GM > Timmerman's seminar at Kat Kelly's dojang in Houston. Kat was a wonderful > host as always. Kat has a great school with serious and skilled students. > It was great to see GM Rudy Timmerman and his senior instructors once > again. > I want to thank GM Timmerman for his patience with all my questions. He > is > such a great teacher! I also felt honored to have GM Timmerman > demonstrate > a few techniques on me, which really helped with my learning process! I > highly recommend attending a seminar with GM Timmerman if you have the > chance. > > It was great to finally meet Master Jason Thomas, a TKD stylist from > Austin, > and work out with him and his students. I had the opportunity to discuss > TKD topics with Master Thomas and I appreciated his willingness to share > his > knowledge of the art. I look forward to visiting with Master Thomas and > his > students again and I will take him up on his offer to come visit his > dojang. > I am glad that Master Thomas and his students will be making the journey > back to Houston in October for GM West's seminar at GM Hodder's dojang in > Seabrook. > > I also had the honor of being Master McHenry's partner during his > instruction of sweeping techniques. I gained a whole new appreciation for > sweeping and I hope to have Master McHenry come teach another TSD seminar > at > my school in the near future. I encourage members if they have the chance > to attend one of Master McHenry's workshops at GM West's USKMAF > international seminar in Jackson, MS this September. > > Sincerely, > > Keith Wicker > Wicker's Korean Martial Arts, USKMAF > League City, TX > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Jason E. Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] new dojjang subscriber here Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:12:32 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wendy, Welcome to the list! There are a bunch of great martial artists here and I'm sure you'll make a great addition. Regards, Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: wendy lavery [mailto:wens@sisna.com] > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:18 AM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] new dojjang subscriber here > > Hello! I'm new to the dojang.Would like to express my appreciation to this > site!I've been looking for ways to connect with fellow martial artists!Is > there a chat room (martial arts)anywhere??? > thanks lots!!! > wendy lavery > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:16:45 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Dealing_With_Politics_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear George: "......You are correct when you say that these ways have invaded most facets of our lives, however if enough of us can stand up to these cretins in any organization ( martial arts, governmental, or even religious) perhaps we can send them scurrying back under the rocks from whence they crept......." Believe it or not, your simple post really hit me in its stark honesty. Having spent a Sunday afternoon with Rudy and a great bunch of folks maybe I am in a good place to say something. A common comment made by folks from the Pelligrini camp or the Hackworth camp is that attacks are made on them by jealous folk who are envious of their successes. The term "success" is never actually defined, and activities associated with such "success" are rarely the issue. These two personalities have been popping up in various discussion groups and activites for a few years now and I STILL don't know just what it is that is so incredibly successful about them that anyone would be so heavily invested in sabotaging their efforts. They are just not all that important. The only reason that I see that anyone expends any energy on them at all is that they seem to routinely come-up in the same area where defamation, bad feelings, dirty tricks and antagonism are rife. What I see, in turn,then, are a lot of people such as a number of DD members shouting "watch it" in the same manner that a township would put up signs if there were a bad pothole on an otherwise decent road. By comparison, I have yet to come away from an event by JR West or Rudy Timmerman feeling smug or having gotten the "inside dirt" on someone else. I don't go home with the idea that what I have just gotten was the "real deal" and everyone else are deluded saps. Speaking for myself I can tell you that when I left Rudy's workshop on Sunday I felt not unlike when I left the last of JR's Internationale-s I attended. I felt up-beat, informed, supported and included. I saw people, hungry to learn, meeting up with people hungry to teach. I saw people from at least four different disciplines working out together and not a negative feeling in the place. It was a great experience--- and the cook-out afterwards was ice-ing on the cake. Now, this isn't intended as an ad for JR West or Rudy Timmermans efforts. Nobody here has any reason to believe my opinions. My invitation is for folks to gamble ONE--- just ONE--- event and see if everything people say about the nature of Rudy's and JR's events aren't all that folks have been reporting. THEN, when you have done that, what I am about to say will make a helluva lot more sense. It is a fact of life that it takes a lot less effort and energy to destroy something than to build it up. I think this is why your post carried so much weight for me, George. Its a fact of life that people can spend years building something and it can be pulled down so easily by defamation and chaos. My guess is that this why people like Hackworth use this arguement so much. People fear most the weapon they use most. And since we as Humans only have so much energy to live on, I think we tend to try to maximize the use of that energy by going with the natural tendency of the Universe towards spoiling and chaos. In this way we work to tear others down faster than they can tear us down. But..... what if instead of tearing down the Hackworths in the KMA World, we re- double our efforts to raise up and get behind the framworks of people we admire. I know that at first glance this would not seem to be as satisfying a fight. The Wannabees will still be out there selling their ersatz material as though it were the real thing. But, we wouldn't be able to stop them anyhow. It IS after all a free world. Still, by getting behind folks who have put their actions where their philosophies are, we guarentee THAT approach will outlive crass commecial concerns. For instance, in our hearts we all know that JR and Rudy aren't going to live forever. We also know that they weakest part of the MA traditions is the point at which leadership changes hands. Just a simple matter of identifying leaders in the KMA community and supporting the decisions in this matter as such leaders as JR and Rudy shape it now could have incredible consequences ten years down the pike. True, such efforts would not carry the high drama as e- mail duels on an international Net, but, there is every reason to believe that the results may be much more far reaching. I completely agree with what you shared, George. I add only that maybe selcting a direction may wind up having a much greater impact on the future than simply deciding when and where to take a stand. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11 End of The_Dojang Digest