Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 03:01:52 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #323 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Take care everyone (Ray Terry) 2. Re: ITF Split (Dave Steffen) (Christopher Spiller) 3. Stanford Taekwondo Summer Camp (Vincent Lo) 4. Funny Hands, possibly of Chinese origin, lurking in dojangs across Korea (A. Boyd) 5. Bulletin board (Rudy Timmerman) 6. Eating rice (Rudy Timmerman) 7. Thumb Strikes (Rudy Timmerman) 8. Fistw/thumb to side/School around Lake Charles (Chris Holmes) 9. RE:Take care everyone.. (wendy lavery) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Take care everyone To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Just want to tell all of you on the list that I'm leaving for Ft. Lewis WA > tomorrow for 29 Days so I may be unreachable for a while, if I have a chance > I'll check my e-mail but I'm not sure if I can. As many of you know I'm in > the US ARMY Reserves so I'm being deployed and I just wanted to say bye and > take care. Master Maldonado, Stay safe. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: ITF Split (Dave Steffen) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've been away from the list for a few days and just wanted to reply to Dave Steffen's last message on this topic. Regarding a possible ITF-WTF merger: >Well, I had heard that Master Choi would have had problems getting this done - something about him being too young to be taken seriously by other martial artists. Maybe true, I don't know much about Korean culture.< >From what I understand Korea is heavily Confucian. This means seniority counts for A LOT. That being said I believe Master Choi is pushing 50 (couldn't tell at the seminar I attended!). IMO I don't think he'd be viewed as being wet behind the ears, but you never know. >From what little I personally know about the man and his abilities, anyone who doesn't take Master Choi seriously is in for a suprise. ;-)< Heh, heh. Same here. I don't know him perwsonally but from what I've seen and read he's to be reckoned with. >I'm sure that the ITF got money from North Korea, I'm under the impression they couldn't afford not to;< Indeed. From what I understand the early 80's were not a banner year for the ITF. IIRC, Gen. Choi basically said in the Jan. 2000 TKDTimes interview that the DPRK basically made it possible for the ITF to continue. >I think the issue was how much say the North Korean government would have in ITF affairs.< Exactly. >Master MacCallum is a, um... "controversial" figure. Some say he's an absolutely great guy; others say... otherwise. (He says, choosing his words carefully.)< ;-) Yeah, this depends a lot on who you ask. >GM Seriff is way too patriotic to accept Mr. Ung, and I have some circumstantial evidence that he had a falling out with the other GM's.< That's too bad. I view the GM's and other astronomically ranked individuals as the first generation "successors" to the General, in a sense. It's too bad they're (seemingly) on the outs. Of course, I am unaware of ANY Martial Art system that survived the death of its founder totally intact. >On a larger note, I think the point of martial art training is, among other things, to produce truly adult people. It succeeds every now and then. ;-)< Now this is just CRAZY TALK! ;-) ;-) >If you're ever in Colorado, give me a buzz!< Thanks! I sure will. Taekwon, Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Vincent Lo" To: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:44:57 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Stanford Taekwondo Summer Camp Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, We would like to extend to you a personal invitation to the 2003 Stanford Taekwondo Summer Camp taking place August 20th - 24th on the Stanford University Campus in Palo Alto, California. This is a residential camp for red and black belt athletes ages 12 to 17 and will be led by two-time World Champion and current U.S. National Coach, Chul Ho Kim. The focus will be on advanced strategy and technical development and a number of current and former U.S. National Team members and international athletes will participate, including Herb Perez (1992 Olympic Gold Medalist) and 5-time National Team member Tim Thackrey. Camp Director and Stanford Head Coach Tim Ghormley has secured the best training facilities and accommodations on campus for the athletes. In addition to the twice-daily taekwondo sessions, Stanford Athletics Strength and Conditioning Coaches will lead a specially designed taekwondo conditioning routine each morning of the camp utilizing the latest equipment and techniques. Many Junior National Team members have already registered in preparation for the Pan American Junior Championships in Brazil. Coach Kim and Stanford Athletics have agreed to extend a $50.00 discount to any 14-17 year old black belt who medaled at this year’s National Junior Olympics in Orlando. Finally, in addition to everything else, there will be a BBQ night, Swimming, Special Guest Clinics, Academic Preparation for College Workshop (with the Stanford Taekwondo Team Recruitment/Admissions Director) a Beach Trip, Games and more! For details and registration go to the website at: http://tkd.stanford.edu/summercamp Call: (650) 725-3001 E-mail: stanfordtkd@yahoo.com Limited space is still available so register now before the deadline of AUGUST 10 (extended from August 6). --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:49:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Funny Hands, possibly of Chinese origin, lurking in dojangs across Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net So far, to use Jye's terminology, I have encountered the dragon fist, phoenix eye fist, crane's beak and reverse crane's beak as well as a few other attacks using the palm heel and top of the wrist in Gicheon Mun. The ridge hand is performed using the forearm rather than the hand. I can't remember if I mentioned this before but it seems to me (and I have had a round about confirmation from a fellow student) that the art seems heavily influenced by Bagua Zhang and Praying Mantis. In my Hapkido training with the Huk-Ju Kwan, I wasn't taught to use a thumb strike or a "beak" strike of any type but palm heel, ridge hands, knife hands and spear hands were employed all the time. Much more often than normal punches. Prior to that in the Gum-Mu Kwan we stuck to normal punches. In Haidong Gumdo ridge hands (Gicheon style) and standard fists are the most common. Dakin: So, you were able to form the fist in the technically correct fashion while sparring? You must be a lot more co-ordinated than I am! Danny: Thanks for the tips. To quote from one of my favorite films, "I will endeavour to persevere." ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:39:06 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Bulletin board Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce writes: > I wonder what the response would be if, say, I took > Rudys' post where he talks about the policies and goals of the NKMAA > and > posted that to a KHF BBS. Hello Bruce. At this time, I would prefer not to have my name mentioned in the KHF website. It is a nice thought, but I fear the result would be another peeing contest Korean martial arts can do without. Rather than write or talk about working together, let's just DO it by leading by example. Having said that, when can we expect a visit up North:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:42:11 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Eating rice Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Charles writes: > I'm green with envy for all yall Texans. > Sounds like I missed a lot. In honor of the seminar, I had my transfer > Shotkan 15yo blackbelt break his first cinder block with "soft palm." > Tonight since Rodney was late, I let him help me remember some of the > palm strike one steps SJN taught in Jackson :-) > Anyway, I am sad to say I can still not do one brick every time on the > first try (still using force when I'm nervous) and can only get two > bricks about 30-50% of the time....guess I'll "eat more rice..." Hello Charles: We surely missed you in Houston, but I am glad to hear you are still working on relaxing. BTW, I love rice, and it is not a bad thing to eat at any age or rank:) See you in Jackson! Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:59:29 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Thumb Strikes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig writes: > Speaking of thumbs...remember the scene from 'The Presidio' where Sean > Connery beats up a rather burly looking character actor using nothing > but > his thumb? The only reason I bring it up is because that scene was > supposedly choreographed by Bong Soo Han. Is that a common method of > striking taught in most Hapkido curriculums? Any comments as to the > effectiveness of such a strike? Anybody? Hello Craig: In KSB as well as Kuk Sool, we have several strikes that use the thumb. In fact, Um Chi Gwan is often used as a demonstration technique. I can remember one demo I did in 1991 where I attempted a double thumb strike break, and my holder unfortunately flinched and put the two boards together. Needless to say that the boards won that round, and I now sport a slightly larger right thumb that I can effectively use as a barometer:) What really hurt was to have to eat my discomfort and complete the break with the broken thumb. I personally also use the fist with the thumb pushing on the side of the index finger. This configuration gives me a tight fist, plus it gives me a thumb knuckle to use in a sideways attack to the temple etc. AND a good hammer fist configuration. Hard to describe, but I'll go over it in the Jackson seminar. Note: I do not teach this particular strike to my students as a punch; however, I do teach it to them as a hammer fist that we call Mang Chi Ki. As far as effectiveness, the strikes (like any other strikes) should only be used to the appropriate targets. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Chris Holmes" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:11:31 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Fistw/thumb to side/School around Lake Charles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've seen at least two older Korean Grandmasters make a fist with the thumb locked on the side. So I don't think it is an American innovation. I had other questions I wanted to ask so I didn't question the fist at the time. On a side note I may have missed the replies and I apoligize but I'm looking for a good school in or around Lake Charles LA. I have a family with four martial arts students that are probably moving there really soon. Any personal referances would be great. Thanks Chris Holmes _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "wendy lavery" To: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:45:38 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE:Take care everyone.. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank-you!!!Take care and God-bless!Our Instructor(Beehive Martial Arts) is currently serving in Baghdad.We appreciate all that you in the service's do!!!! wendy lavery --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest