Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:49:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #330 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Sin Moo seminar (Todd W Deininger) 2. Jere in Natchitoches (amanda gaither) 3. Re: ITF Split (Dave Steffen) (Dave Steffen) 4. Ki strikes (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 5. "Soft" strikes (Rudy Timmerman) 6. Re: Re:_Nice_Post!!_ (Jye nigma) 7. Re: 5 elements (Jye nigma) 8. About GM James S.Benko (gaby noufaily) 9. Moo Do (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 10. Korean Arts in Iceland? (Farral, Kim) 11. Well known Thai boxing champ Alex Gong killed (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Todd W Deininger" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:39:20 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sin Moo seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > This seminar will be held on March 26,27,&28 of 2004 and is limited to > those instructors who actually teach Sin Moo Hapkido. >Sean was supposedly setting up the same thing for this last spring. Several >of us that contacted Sean never ever heard anything back. I don't think >the last one ever came off... >Ray Terry This is actually that seminar. This is the first date we could get DJN Ji to Seattle. Please feel free to contact Sean or me, but I will post information as we work out the details. Todd --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:30:42 -0700 (PDT) From: amanda gaither To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Jere in Natchitoches Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jere, Our school in Natchitoches is only an hour away from Shreveport and I would like to speak for the LA people and say that it would be great to have you as a guest in our school. Just let us know when you will be here and we will plan a get together with you!!!! Amanda Gaither (the female influence of the LA Boyz) Charles, how far are you from the Shreveport - Bossier area? I may be traveling down there soon (I lived there in 1961-1963 on Barksdale AFB and off base) as my best friend, who have known since I was 3 is having heart surgery (again). Don't know the details yet, but I would like to come by, say howdy and toss some of your folks around if you would like. Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com ===== Amanda Gaither --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Dave Steffen Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 07:19:02 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: ITF Split (Dave Steffen) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: Christopher Spiller > > I've been away from the list for a few days and just wanted to > reply to Dave Steffen's last message on this topic. I've been away too; I got a great new job ;-), but it's about 90 miles from where I live :-(, so I'll be checking email sporadically. > Regarding a possible ITF-WTF merger: > >Well, I had heard that Master Choi would have had > problems getting this done - something about him being > too young to be taken seriously by other martial > artists. Maybe true, I don't know much about Korean > culture.< > > From what I understand Korea is heavily Confucian. This means > seniority counts for A LOT. That being said I believe Master Choi > is pushing 50 (couldn't tell at the seminar I attended!). IMO I > don't think he'd be viewed as being wet behind the ears, but you > never know. I think the issue would have been that the ITF representative would have been dealing with much older WTF people (Dr. Kim, 9th Dans, etc) from an older generation, and that General Choi would have had _much_ more seniority than his son. It's a moot point. > >I'm sure that the ITF got money from North Korea, I'm > under the impression they couldn't afford not to;< > > Indeed. From what I understand the early 80's were not a banner > year for the ITF. IIRC, Gen. Choi basically said in the Jan. 2000 > TKDTimes interview that the DPRK basically made it possible for the > ITF to continue. Well, the ITF has always been short on cash - not being directly supported by a government, and there was (apparently) some mismanagement by senior people. One of the most reassuring things about Choi, Jung Hwa's ITF web site is the bit at the bottom of one page: "Auditors: Deloit and Touche". (Or however you spell it) > >GM Seriff is way too patriotic to accept Mr. Ung, and > I have some circumstantial evidence that he had a > falling out with the other GM's.< > > That's too bad. I view the GM's and other > astronomically ranked individuals as the first > generation "successors" to the General, in a sense. They are. General Choi promoted four people to 9th Dan; I was specifically told that this meant that these four (GM's Rhee, Hwang, Seriff, and Park, in that order) knew, essentially, as much about TKD as the General. My personal suspicion is that Master Choi knows just as much as the four 9th Dans; he wasn't promoted to 9th because of, probably, seniority issues, and then the falling out with his father. > >On a larger note, I think the point of martial art > training is, among other things, to produce truly > adult people. It succeeds every now and then. ;-)< > > Now this is just CRAZY TALK! ;-) ;-) Yeah, alas. ;-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Dave Steffen, Ph.D. Wave after wave will flow with the tide Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede tkd-physics@comcast.net Leaving life to go on as it was... - Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:50:26 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ki strikes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> The palm strike that Master Timmerman talks about and the ki strike I mentioned are one in the same. Technically, it is a relaxed linear strike when the hand conforms to the shape of the object being struck, but it is done with ki. It is a commonly practiced strike in hapkido. But how it works and what it does is completely different than any other kind of fist or hard strike. Its methodology is relaxed and linear. But its impact is not focused on the striking spot, it is instead absorbed and expanded upon impact. This is often seen in demonstrations when the opponent is rendered unconscious, stops breathing, or when a stack of concrete is hit and a specific block other than the top one is broken. This is also a technique that can't be taught over the internet. Once every 4 months I teach an all day workshop for my students and anyone willing to travel to my dojang in Cincinnati. Bruce even drives for 6 hours from Chicago to be here. One of the things we work on is ki-strikes. In fact, in our last workshop, everyone had the chance to break a concrete block at the end of the day. These events are free and open to the traditional Korean martial arts community and anyone willing to drive here. But you can also catch Master West, Master Timmerman, myself or just about any seasoned traditional hapkido teacher and ask to be introduced to the art of ki strikes during our travels or at our dojang. Of course, I must mention the big Korean martial art event held in Jackson every spring for those that travel from all over the US and other countries. I also have a video clip linked on the photos page of my website showing Master West performing this technique during his demonstration at the 18th international Hapkido seminar and a picture of Master Timmerman also demonstrating this technique during a break. I obtained this picture from Alain. Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:19:49 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] "Soft" strikes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dave writes: > I also am interested in the palm strikes for breaking that GM > Timmerman (as well as others) have spoken about. If this is old > material and has been hashed over a million times, I'm sorry, I may > have been dozing that day. Hello Dave: The strike I have had the pleasure of showing to a few folks at Master West's seminar in Jackson is basically just a relaxed palm strike that does not involve a great deal of obvious power. When done correctly, a person can break a 2"x8"x16" patio block without any apparent effort at all. After a bit of training, one can actually do this with two or three blocks (without spacers). After yet another bit additional training, we advance to breaking only one specific block of the three. Sometimes having too much training in power strikes, prevents black belts from performing the break; on the other hand, I have seen a number of 120 lbs novice ladies do it first try. My guess is that the veterans rely on what they already know, and the beginners just listen to the advise I give them on how to do it. One thing is sure, when it does break doing it the right way, folks regardless of rank are equally elated with their newfound skill. By popular request, I'll make a 15 min. video on the "how to" , and with JRs permission I'll bring some to the Jackson seminar in March. Rudy --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 06:14:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re:_Nice_Post!!_ To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There's not many books on Korean martial art history.These are some tho' difficult to obtain: Hapkido -Traditions,Philosophy ,Techniques-by Mark Tedeschi (Weatherhill) Hapkido by Dr.He-young Kimm ( Andrew Jackson Press) TaeGyun by Song Duk Gee ( Baktur Publishing) Muye Dobo Tongji- The Comprehensive Illustrated Manual of Martial Arts of Ancient Korea -translated by Sang H.Kim (Turtle Press) Dr.Chua --- bsims@midwesthapkido.com wrote: > Dear Jye: > > "....This article is one of the most detail account > of > Korean arts and relationship with Japanese and > Chinese > arts that I've come across....." > > The article was a great read. Are there references, > or citations or > resources that go with it or suggest further > reading? > > Best Wishes, > > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 06:36:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 5 elements To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net --- Charles Richards wrote: > Actually Jye, I don't know that much in a scholarly sense, though I may may "know" a good bit of it intuitively as it applies to massage... Ok no problem, seek out books by james lacy and earl montague(spelling). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "gaby noufaily" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 10:28:25 +0300 Subject: [The_Dojang] About GM James S.Benko Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a friend of mine who is traveling to the states, to Grand Blanc, Michigan and wants to study hapkido, I told him there a shool there for GM James S.Benko. I would like to know if anyone knows him, if he is a good instructor. thanks gaby ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:51:49 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Moo Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wendy, I believe what you are looking for is "Moo Do", which is Korean for Moo = Martial, and Do = "Way of Life" or "Art". This term is usually related or used when discussing the philosophical or spirtual side of Korean Martial Arts, and is usually used along with other terms such as "Martial spirit" = Moo Do Chung Shin and the idea of "Empty Mind"=Moo Shim. Moo Do is the idea of living your life as a warrior. If you want to read a little more about the idea check out a copy of a translation of "Go Rin No Sho" = A Book of Five Rings, by Musashi. There are a few. Study the Earth Scroll, which is the first "Chapter". Although Musashi was a Japanese swordsman, his ideas on the martial way and warfare have stood the test of time. But the idea is probably going to be too advanced for most young teens. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Farral, Kim" To: Dojang Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:35:55 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Arts in Iceland? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Pil Seung... Anyone know of any Korean Martial Arts in Keflavic, Iceland??? Not that I will have any free time to get there, but just in case there is a lull in activity and I acquire a bit of liberty... Thanks... Pil Seung!!! The One and Only "TINK" ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************ --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Well known Thai boxing champ Alex Gong killed Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fender-bender hit-run turns fatal in S.F. Kickbox champ chases down driver, winds up shot to death Jaxon Van Derbeken and Michael Cabanatuan, Chronicle Staff Writers Saturday, August 2, 2003 A world champion Thai-style kickboxer was shot to death in the middle of a busy San Francisco street Friday after he chased down a hit-and-run driver who had slammed into his parked car minutes earlier. Alex Gong, 30, was pronounced dead at the scene on Fifth Street near Harrison Street. Witnesses said he was shot at point-blank range when he confronted the driver, who apparently waited for a traffic signal to turn green before opening fire and speeding away. Gong, who had been working out at the South of Market training gym he runs at 444 Clementina St., was wearing yellow boxing gloves and boxing trunks when he was killed. Police had not released a description of the gunman or his vehicle Friday night. But witnesses described him as a Caucasian between 155 and 165 pounds who was driving a green Jeep Cherokee. The slaying came one day after San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown and other officials announced the start of a campaign to crack down on hit-and-run driving. The 4:30 p.m. incident began outside Gong's Fairtex gym when his car, also a Jeep Cherokee, was hit by a passing car. Enraged, Gong gave chase on foot, going a block east on Clementina, then a block and a half south on Fifth Street. At that point, Gong confronted the driver, who had been forced to stop as traffic backed up near the Bay Bridge on-ramp. ''The victim put his arm out to stop the driver, the driver pushed him back and then shot him -- point blank," said Marilyn Moore, a witness who was riding in a car on Fifth Street. 'I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE IT' "The victim grabbed himself and fell backward," she said. "The driver backed up, put the car in drive and drove off. He turned right on Harrison. "I just couldn't believe it, I've never seen nothing like that in my life," Moore said. Brian Lam, 26, an instructor at Fairtex, said members of the gym saw the initial fender-bender through an open garage door. Gong, who was inside training, took off barefoot after the man, said Lam, who grabbed a camera and followed. "As I was running up, I see Alex arguing with the guy," Lam said. "The light turned green, the guy popped him. He definitely waited for the light to turn green." Lam said he tried to take a picture of the fleeing Cherokee, but was in a rush to help his mortally wounded friend. "I just yelled for people to help," he said. A motorcycle officer on the way to the Hall of Justice nearby stopped, and he and Lam both attempted to resuscitate Gong. "Last year, Alex paid for my CPR certification," Lam said. "I was giving him mouth-to-mouth, the officer was giving him chest compressions." Lam said a single bullet struck Gong just above the heart. "I thought he was dead maybe 10 seconds after he was shot," Lam said. S.F. RESIDENT Gong, a resident of San Francisco, was born and raised in New England, and lived for a time in Central Asia before returning to the East Coast. He later moved to California and graduated from San Francisco State University with a degree in business. Long interested in judo and tae kwon do, Gong discovered Muay Thai, a form of kickboxing and the national sport of Thailand, in 1994. He once said in an interview that he was drawn to the sport by the fluid movement and careful balance it requires. He had a natural affinity for the sport and racked up an impressive array of championships in the middleweight and welterweight classes. He appeared regularly on HBO and ESPN and headlined fights at the MGM Grand and the Mirage in Las Vegas. He was a dedicated competitor who trained tirelessly, often waking at dawn to run five miles and perform scores of sit-ups, push-ups and other exercises before going to work. Gong worked equally hard as a businessman who introduced Muay Thai to California when in 1996 he opened a San Francisco branch of Fairtex Combat Sports Camp -- founded in Bangkok in 1976. It wasn't long before the firm employed 20 instructors and included more than 600 students. It is, according to the company's Web site, the nation's top Muay Thai training facility and the only one recognized by the World Muay Thai Council, which is under the authority of the Thai government. 'AN AMAZING GUY' Under Gong's leadership, Fairtex opened another facility in Daly City in 2000. As Gong's body lay in the middle of Fifth Street, wrapped in a yellow tarp, and police interviewed witnesses, students gathered at Fairtex. They were stunned and spoke with admiration for Gong. Lam said Gong was a mentor and a leader. "Alex was an amazing guy," Lam said. "He was the owner, but he was kind of like a big brother. It was a family environment. "He was a fighter to the end. He was arguing with this guy to get him to pull over -- all he had to do was get his plate, but he had to get into it with him," Lam said. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest