Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 03:01:59 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #331 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Wikipedia and Korea (Thomas Duvernay) 2. conditioning (Eddie Urbistondo) 3. Re: Sin Moo seminar (Ray Terry) 4. Hapkido this Fall... (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 5. Ki/Palm strikes (Dave Weller) 6. Re: conditioning (Ray Terry) 7. thanks (rich hodder) 8. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Recommendations?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 9. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Mu-Do_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 10. Re: "Soft" strikes (Jye nigma) 11. in the long run (Ray Terry) 12. Korean Arts in Iceland? (John Maihos) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Thomas Duvernay" To: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:46:55 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Wikipedia and Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There is an online encyclopedia called Wikipedia. It is an open source = project and anyone can submit an entry or modify an existing one. The = URL for it is: http://www.wikipedia.com The entry for Korea, while a good start by someone, needs a lot of = tweaking. You can go directly to it at: http://wikipedia.com/wiki/Korea CNN just had a story on Wikipedia: = http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/08/03/wikipedia/index.html Thomas http://www.shinmiyangyo.org http://www.koreanarchery.org=20 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Eddie Urbistondo" To: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:43:10 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] conditioning Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I started my conditioning a long time ago in the old school manner in Taekwondo. Since I started learning the chinese arts six years ago, I have changed my methods. I use Dit Da Jow (bruise liniment) and sand bags filled with mung beans(this beans when crushed put out a powder that is healing your hands). In the end result, using this method, you will have a normal looking hand that is hard as iron. Also, hitting the bags condition the whole hand, not just the knuckles. Using the medicine prevents arthiritis or any other injuries later on. Master Eddie Urbistondo --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sin Moo seminar To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > This seminar will be held on March 26,27,&28 of 2004 and is limited to > > those instructors who actually teach Sin Moo Hapkido. > > >Sean was supposedly setting up the same thing for this last spring. Several > >of us that contacted Sean never ever heard anything back. I don't think > >the last one ever came off... > > This is actually that seminar. This is the first date we could get DJN Ji to > Seattle. Please feel free to contact Sean or me, but I will post information > as we work out the details. Please keep us in the loop re the details. Esp who will be attending. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:06:41 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido this Fall... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Seminars of the USKMAF and the NKMAA for 2003... Mississippi, Jackson, 19th International HapKiDo Seminar, September 12 - 14, 2003 The USKMAF will host its' semi-annual International HapKiDo and Korean Martial Arts Seminar at the Headquarters school, located in Jackson, MS. The Saturday portion will be held in the Ballroom of the Clarion Hotel (601-969-2141), and the Friday and Sunday portions will be held at the dojang. For further information, contact us at (601) 856-8487, or hapkido@netdoor.com. Canton, Georgia, Sept. 26th & 27th, 2003 Master Rich Hodder, 8th Dan, head of TaeKwonDo operations for the USKMAF, will be hosted by Master Instructor Charles Richards, for a two day Korean Martial Arts Seminar at the Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do Dojang in the Atlanta suburb of Canton. For further information, go to www.mojakwan.com/events.htm or contact Master Instructor Richards at (770)-345-8027 or at mojakwan@yahoo.com, or Master Hodder at (281)-382-4612, or tkddragon@msn.com. Tampa, Florida, Oct. 4th, 2003 Mr. Rusty Solomon, of Apollo Beach Karate, will host Master J. R. West for an all day HapKiDo Seminar on Saturday the 4th of October, 2003. For further information, contact Mr. Solomon at (813)-649-0020, or hcsorabk@mindspring.com. Hampstead, Maryland, Oct. 18th, 2003 Mr. Joe Borucki, 4th Dan, of Global HapKiDo, will host Master J. R. West for an all -day HapKiDo Seminar. Global HapKiDo is about 45 minutes north of Baltimore, and about 30 minutes south of Gettysburg, PA. For further information, contact Mr. Borucki at (410)-239-3554, or master@globalhapkido.com. Houston, Texas, Oct. 25th, 2003 Master Rich Hodder, 8th Dan, of Hodder's Korean Martial Arts School, will host Master J. R. West for an all -day HapKiDo Seminar. Hodder's Korean Martial Arts is located in the SE Houston suburb of Seabrook, near the NASA headquarters. For further information, contact Master Hodder at (281)-382-4612, or tkddragon@msn.com. Ft. Wayne, Indiana, Nov. 8th, 2003 Mr. Anthony, 4th Dan, of A. W. New HapKiDo, will host Master J. R. West for an all-day HapKiDo Seminar on Saturday, November 8th. For further information, contact Mr. New at (260)-490-2888, or anthony.new@awnewhapkido.com. Thanks for the bandwidth Ray... Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:58:51 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Dave Weller Subject: [The_Dojang] Ki/Palm strikes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks to Master Hilland & Gm Timmerman for explaining what a Ki strike is. I suspected this. but was unsure, and I understand how it could only be taught in "meatspace"....... Cyberspace and "ki" do not seem to be compatible. Cincy is a long way from great bend, but I've travelled farther to learn less!!! SOME day, fortune will smile on me and I'll be able to travel to MS for the big shindig... If I just didn't have this stupid business to run........... thanks Gentlemen, for sharing your knowledge!! dave --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] conditioning To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I started my conditioning a long time ago in the old school manner in > Taekwondo. Since I started learning the chinese arts six years ago, I have > changed my methods. I use Dit Da Jow (bruise liniment) and sand bags filled > with mung beans(this beans when crushed put out a powder that is healing your > hands). In the end result, using this method, you will have a normal looking > hand that is hard as iron. Also, hitting the bags condition the whole hand, > not just the knuckles. Using the medicine prevents arthiritis or any other > injuries later on. Master Eddie Urbistondo I must add a bit of counterpoint here. I too began hand/knuckle conditioning many (30) years ago, and did it for a number of years. I later learned the hard way that this was not wise. My kunckles are still probably 'harder' as a result, but the aches and pains will no doubt increase as I move from a young spry 51.5 up into the extra-elder age range of those like GMs West and Timmerman... :) In closing, if Ditdajow really did prevent arthritis, or even reduce it, I suspect the AMA would be shouting that from the pages of the Journal of the AMA, New England Journal of Medicine, etc. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "rich hodder" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:28:32 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] thanks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear DD, I wanted to thank the folks on this list for all the support and well wishes for my recovery. To me it is just another knee surgery that I have to overcome, but it always helps to know that you are backed up by people that know the road I will have to travel in the next few months. Ah, learning, where would we be if we didn't have to review our past mistakes now and again. I know that Master West would not like me to do this, but I do it anyway...... Thank you my friend, for all of your support, for driving me around Jackson to and from the hospital, to and from the PT sessions, for letting me stay at your house and watch movies until I fell asleep, for allowing me to be your friend and for being my friend. Martial Arts don't belong in the dojang alone, and you exemplify that in your daily life. I would also like to thank Master Renee West for putting up with me, and talking with me all day for a week while I was recovering. You truly have the patience of a saint.....and I thank the both of you for the cheese (to go along with the Whine). I still think that Physical Therapists should understand the idea behind tapping out. Thanks again, and happy birthday, RichGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:07:44 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Recommendations?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Gaby: "....I would like to know if anyone knows him, if he is a good instructor........" I don't know about anyone else but I have to say that this seems like an awfully loaded question. I do a lot better when someone says that so&so is relocating to an area and does anyone know of a hapkido, or TKD, or TSD etc., school in the area? If you came to me and asked about Garrison, Benko, Pelligrini or Hackworth (and a few others), what would you expect me to say? I'm not a big fan of WOMAF, I don't care for Benko's sword stuff, and you already know how I feel about Pelligrini and Hackworth. But, now flip the coin over. What if you were talking to Mike Rowe? Would you be surprised to hear him suggest Pelligrini and ICHF? What about Ed Annibel? Would you be surprised to hear him support Hackworth--- or even suggest KIHAP? I'll bet there are probably folks out there in Lurk-Mode who are avid fans of Garrison and Benko as well. Maybe I'm still just smarting from that grilling I took about Ji's teaching model--- and that was also after someone asked me my opinion. The more I watch things evolve in the KMA the more I realize that my original position about learning a MA from years back was accurate from the start. Learning a MA is a VERY personal thing, and if one is to find a teacher it won't be by cracking a phonebook or surveying folks on a bulletin board. The process is one of trial and error, and the only hopeful sign I have seen is the idea that "when the student is ready, the teacher will appear." Until then I can only offer that bit of wisdom from childrens' fairy tales. "To find a prince you have to kiss an awful lot of toads." Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:29:27 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Mu-Do_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Wendy: ".....We have to write a report on "the idea of Moo Doo".We've searched all over but cant find anything more than "gathering",can anyone suggest where we might find more info?This is for a young teen!....." The minute you say "young teen" things get a little dicey. Dann has the right idea with the BOOK OF FIVE RINGS, though of course you're considering the topic through the lens of the Japanese culture. There is also Dr. Kimms' book PHILOSOPHY OF MASTERS. The Koreans tend to teach such ethics through parables about heroes from the past. For instance, Joo Bang Lees' books on HwaRangDo all start off with stories of famous warriors (a few of them actually are teens) who demostrated various qualities of warrior spirit or culture. The focus, however is not so much being a "good warrior" as it is being a "good person" who also happens to be a fighter. The result of a good fighter who is also good person results in a "warrior." This isn't coming out very well, so let me try one more time. If you were studying Japanese Bu-Do, you could get a copy of the HAGAKURE or maybe BUSHIDO SHOSHINSHU (both of which have been translated into English), and you would have all kinds of rules and injunctions about how to behave. On the other hand, you could get a copy of SWORD OF NO SWORD (biography of the sword-saint Tesshu) by Stevens or KARATE-DO- MY WAY OF LIFE (autobiography of G. Funakoshi) and get a taste of folks who actually tried to live their lives according to a strict code. By comparison in your Korean research do you want to simply read about the Korean O-GAE (Five Tenents) or would you rather read a biography of the life of Admiral Yi? To my way of thinking there is a big difference between reading about the rules, and reading about someone who successfully applied those rules in their life. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:57:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] "Soft" strikes To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is also a chi strike....actually purely chi! Are you also able to crack coconut with a palm slap or strike? Jye --- Rudy Timmerman wrote: > Dave writes: > > > I also am interested in the palm strikes for > breaking that GM > > Timmerman (as well as others) have spoken about. > If this is old > > material and has been hashed over a million times, > I'm sorry, I may > > have been dozing that day. > > Hello Dave: > The strike I have had the pleasure of showing to a > few folks at Master > West's seminar in Jackson is basically just a > relaxed palm strike that > does not involve a great deal of obvious power. > When done correctly, a > person can break a 2"x8"x16" patio block without any > apparent effort at > all. After a bit of training, one can actually do > this with two or > three blocks (without spacers). After yet another > bit additional > training, we advance to breaking only one specific > block of the three. > > Sometimes having too much training in power strikes, > prevents black > belts from performing the break; on the other hand, > I have seen a > number of 120 lbs novice ladies do it first try. My > guess is that the > veterans rely on what they already know, and the > beginners just listen > to the advise I give them on how to do it. One > thing is sure, when it > does break doing it the right way, folks regardless > of rank are equally > elated with their newfound skill. By popular > request, I'll make a 15 > min. video on the "how to" , and with JRs permission > I'll bring some to > the Jackson seminar in March. > Rudy > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] in the long run Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Maybe I'm still just smarting from that grilling I took about Ji's teaching > model--- and that was also after someone asked me my opinion. I learned a long time ago that one frequently does actually receive what they deserve... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:56:51 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: John Maihos Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Arts in Iceland? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ms. Farral, I know that So Bahk Do is offered in Iceland by Mr.& Mrs. Wildonger. You might be able to get more information as to WHERE in Iceland from the US Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation. Hope that helps a bit. (973) 467-3971 or (888) SOO- BAHK. - John Maihos --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. 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