Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 03:01:54 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #334 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. dit da jow (R. Banham) 2. Strike questions (J.R. West) 3. zheng gu shui (Ray Terry) 4. USTU Office Staff Changes (fwd) (Ray Terry) 5. RE: ox jaw (Chris Hamilton) 6. Booth seminar (Rudy Timmerman) 7. George P - Ice Cream & Recert (Yarchak, Mary Kay) 8. dit da jow (Eddie Urbistondo) 9. Re: RE: ox jaw (Jye nigma) 10. Wing Lam (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "R. Banham" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:11:06 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] dit da jow Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just a note on dit da jow. I have been involved in martial arts for 35 years and acupuncture/ herbalism for 20 years. There has obviously been a high degree of crossover i.e. non drug/surgical treatment of martial arts and training injuries. In my experience dit da jow is both effective and safe if used correctly. However, a much more valuable remedy is a Chinese herbal liniment called zheng gu shui (bone-setting water). Zheng gu shui assists osteoblast formation and I have personally used it to help a fractured collar bone, fractured fingers and toes and a fractured cervical vertebra to heal in a matter of around 2 weeks. It also does the dit da jow thing of helping muscle strains and tears, aiding arthritic conditions and easing muscle soreness. Bob Banham --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "J.R. West" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:00:01 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Strike questions Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Master Hilland, (or GM West) > .................................Could you provide a little background on what we are seeing in the clip of GM West you provided a link for the other day? Was this exchange performed free-style or was it a pure demonstration? I believe the technique you are referring to is a strike to Dr. Tavassoli performed during a demo at a Jackson seminar. I never really know what tehnique I am going to use until it happens, so YES, it was a demo..NO, he didn't know it was coming. ..................................Were the strike and its effects real or simulated? The strike was real, although limited in the amount of "force" used, but the effects seen were 100% genuine. .................................If it was real, what effects were experienced by the poor gent who volunteered to be the victim? He went to sleep instantly and woke up a second or two later albeit a bit unaware of his surroundings and VERY groggy. .................................I watched the clip a few times and it looks like GM West has every confidence that the 'attacker' is going to go down for the count. If this was scripted for the purposes of demonstration then that certainty is easily understandable. If it was performed for real, what signs were visible to GM West that the strike was effective before the attacker' keeled over? After doing this technique and its' many cousins for almost 40 years I have a pretty good idea of what will happen and I guess I do have a certain confidence that either this will have the desired effect or I will be able come up with something else that would be equally as uncomfortable in very short time. The instant that contact is made, it is VERY visible in the eyes of the attacker that that there is absolutely no-one home, and they are always out prior to hitting the floor. Perhaps some member of the DD will relate to you about the 5th Dan gentleman from CO that during the closing of a Jackson seminar some years ago, insisted I hit him with a strike such as this to prove to him that it was real, and he stopped breathing in the middle of the dojang floor, even though the strike was as mild as the one you witnessed in the clip and placed on his torso. ..............................Please forgive my rush of questions but striking is a new interest for me, although I expect it is all old hat to most subscribers of the list. Absolutely happy to help......J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] zheng gu shui Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Just a note on dit da jow. I have been involved in martial arts for 35 years > and acupuncture/ herbalism for 20 years. There has obviously been a high > degree of crossover i.e. non drug/surgical treatment of martial arts and > training injuries. In my experience dit da jow is both effective and safe if > used correctly. However, a much more valuable remedy is a Chinese herbal > liniment called zheng gu shui (bone-setting water). Zheng gu shui assists > osteoblast formation and I have personally used it to help a fractured collar > bone, fractured fingers and toes and a fractured cervical vertebra to heal in > a matter of around 2 weeks. It also does the dit da jow thing of helping > muscle strains and tears, aiding arthritic conditions and easing muscle > soreness. I doubt that zheng gu shui helps in bone setting, but it can be helpful for temporary relief of minor muscle aches and pains associated with backaches, arthritis, strains, bruises and sprains. Good for use on swelled injuries, esp for injuries too painful to rub or massage. active ingredients: menthol and camphor. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] USTU Office Staff Changes (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: The following is a list of staff changes made at the USTU office in recent weeks. Please make note of changing email addresses. Teresa Chapman, Administrative Director (ustugold@mailsnare.net) Jeanna Mendoza, National Events Senior Manager (ustuevents2@mailsnare.net) Lynda Henry, National Events Manager (ustuevents@mailsnare.net) Maureen Jensen, Membership Services Manager (ustumember@mailsnare.net) LeAnn Bair, Membership Services Assistant (ustumenber@mailsnare.net) Jennifer Dille, Finance Director (ustufinance@mailsnare.net) Beverly Jopek, Finance Manager (ustutkd1@mailsnare.net) Molly Shook, Assistant to the Executive Director (ustutkd7@mailsnare.net) US Taekwondo Union One Olympic Plaza Ste 104C Colorado Springs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Chris Hamilton" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:24:26 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: ox jaw Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> I believe that technique is called kuppinsonmok or bow wrist. We usually target the hinge of the jaw with that one. Chris HMD in BR --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:41:51 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Booth seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Steve writes: > We just had the pleasure of Master Geoff Booth visiting our school > over the > last few days. His knowledge and attitude were a big hit. Time spent > with > Master Booth is time well spent, and if you get the opportunity to > meet/sweat with him - take it! I thank him for his dedication to the > art of Hapkido and to sharing. I agree whole heartedly with Steve, and this is an open invitation to all DDers to come and join us when Master Booth visits my dojang in Sault Ste Marie August 18th - 21st. Master Booth will do a formal seminar on the 21st, and our doors are open to all who wish to learn. BTW, if you have not yet seen Master Booths new Video & DVD set, you are missing good stuff. Rudy --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Yarchak, Mary Kay" To: 'Dojang Digest' Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:52:02 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] George P - Ice Cream & Recert Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi George, I'll have to remember the ice cream scoop thing for inside outside block. Might help someone esp. the little ones to visualize. Tx :) Re: ITF recerts, yup, I'll be there -- I think it's 9/20 at Monroeville HQ? Will you be attending? MK --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Eddie Urbistondo" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:47:48 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] dit da jow Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You can buy Dit Da Jow from Wing Lam enterprises. Just do a search on the net and you will find them. They are located in Sunnyvalle, California. He sells training Dit Da Jow and Dit Da Jow for Iron Palm training. He also sells the bean bags for training. I get my DDJ from my instructor but, I've heard, that Wing Lam's is pretty good. Master Urbistondo --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:40:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: ox jaw To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Chris do you study HanMuDo? Jye --- Chris Hamilton wrote: > < wrist right above the > back of your hand. Isn't that called ox jaw, or > something similar? > That always seemed like a good alternative to the > back fist to me, > especially if the head was considered a target.>> > > I believe that technique is called kuppinsonmok > or bow wrist. We > usually target the hinge of the jaw with that one. > > Chris > HMD in BR > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Wing Lam Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > You can buy Dit Da Jow from Wing Lam enterprises. Just do a search on the net > and you will find them. They are located in Sunnyvalle, California. He sells > training Dit Da Jow and Dit Da Jow for Iron Palm training. He also sells the > bean bags for training. I get my DDJ from my instructor but, I've heard, that > Wing Lam's is pretty good. Master Urbistondo Wing Lam is just up the road from me. A good guy. His chin na and hun gar are very good. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest