Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 03:01:47 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #337 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re:Yarchak,Mary Kay on re-cert.............. (George Peters) 2. RE: ITF Grand Masters (Piotr Bernat) 3. Re: DDJ (ISA Headquarters) 4. Flags (Dennis McHenry) 5. fractures (R. Banham) 6. Safety issues (Rudy Timmerman) 7. ITF Grand Masters (Robert Martin) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 01:35:05 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:Yarchak,Mary Kay on re-cert.............. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Maam: I most certainly intend to be there, should be great fun as always. Lots of hard work and great spirit! Hope the "ice cream scoopers" work well for you. Teaching childrens class is always a challenge, although rewarding. Tang Soo! George Peters _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Piotr Bernat" To: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:39:55 +0200 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: ITF Grand Masters Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Correction: I recently found out that the General had promoted other > 9th Dans, but they (for whatever reason) left the organization. I > _think_ there are/were two: Kang Young, who has subsequently joined > the "Canadian" (i.e. Master Choi, Jung Hwa) group, and Park Jung Tae > (spelling?), who I believe has since passed away. AFAIK, GM Park Jung Tae left ITF as an 8th Dan and received his 9th Dan on July 1st, 1990 from the GTF. Piotr Bernat www.taekwondo.prv.pl --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "ISA Headquarters" To: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:11:53 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: DDJ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I do not have "proof" that DDJ works to relieve the pain and stiffness of 'Arthur', but I do have memories of two ladies that used my DDJ and were helped by it. One was a woman in her early 60's that had Arthur in both knees. She was in pain constantly and on several medicines to reduce inflammation and pain. When she asked me about my DDJ, I just gave her a bottle (2oz) and she applied the DDJ twice a day for a week. She had just started a new job in a video store and was having trouble bending and stooping to the lower levels of the video racks. Well, after a week on DDJ, she would go about her day with no pain or stiffness. She used the DDJ for over two years (until I moved away). Another young lady in her early 70's came to me to learn Tai Chi. One day she complained about her Arthur problems. Her hands were all knarled and disfigured, with small 'bumps' on her finger tips that caused much pain when touched. I gave her a bottle also, and the next class (2 days later) she came in and said, "Look!", squeezing her hands and the little bumps. No pain and her hands gained some flexibility back. She was actually able to grip a coffee cup again, without pain. These are just two examples of the DDJ at work. I no longer make it and have discontinued my use of it, as I would have to take a bath in it to relieve the pain from my buddy Arthur. It doesn't matter to me whether you believe or disbelieve in what it can do, the fact is that it does work. Why it works, is a mystery to me. Respectfully submitted, George Petrotta www.sungjado.org --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:46:26 GMT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Dennis McHenry Subject: [The_Dojang] Flags Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray: "wrt the Korean flag I've been told by Korean military types that the flag is only displayed in landscape orientation." I've tried to research this too, and it is very hard to find any examples or official instructions on flying it vertically. But the few times I have seen it flown vertically, it appears to be a different flag - it's longer, has more white space on the bottom, as if shifted up some. The red part that was on top rotates to the right. So I think you are right Ray, and if it flown vertically it was made to fly that way using a special flag. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "R. Banham" To: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:31:12 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] fractures Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray. I admire healthy scepticism but we have to remember that east and west see things from a different perspective. For instance when treating fractures, traditional Chinese medicine would rather not immobilise as they contend that the two broken parts rubbing on each other will speed up new osteoblast formation. Seems to work in practice but you need a high pain threshold! As to clinical studies of the efficacy of Chinese herbal treatment of broken bones (eg zeng gu shui), here is a link to a page re. a comparative study of eastern and western treatment. http://www.nskma.co.uk/Fractures.htm Any major Chinese hospital where they have western and TCM practitioners has comparative studies. Don't forget that we used to have that same knowledge here in the west. The old English name for comfrey (Symphytum Officinale) is "knitbone" because a poultice of comfrey aids the mending of broken bones. Bob Banham --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:33:27 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Safety issues Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jere writes: > I would like to point out that it took a long time to learn this > technique properly and it was not until I was a 4th dan in the early > 90's > that I felt comfortable performing this technique in public. As Jere points out, it takes a lot of time to learn proper KI striking. It always makes me a bit nervous when folks start slapping each other without taking time to ensure they can control this strike, and it is one of the reasons I advocate working on concrete or wood until control is achieved. With JRs many years of training, he has mastered the strike to perfection. JR's story of using it on someone who "wanted to learn what it feels like" shows clearly that it is vital the partner is also well trained. This is no doubt why you see JR using it on his "close" students who are Masters in their own right. I personally use it only on my two 4th dahns, and I have turned down numerous requests from folks to strike them. This has no doubt caused some of them to think it is all bull, but then I really could care less what these folks think of me:) The point of my post is that I sincerely hope the folks who are working on KI strikes because of our little parking lot sessions take it serious enough not to use it on their students or partners until they can consistently do ALL the breaks I asked them to work on. It is not enough that you break one or even more blocks, you must have control enough to break a specific one out of a stack before you hit people. Even when you are consistent in your breaks, you should also have been on the receiving end of the strikes for a while before you strike others. Forego this advise, and you will someday find yourself in a whole mess of trouble. JR had the knowledge to revive his partner... can you do the same? Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Robert Martin" To: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 20:29:41 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF Grand Masters Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net General Choi promoted GM Rhee, GM Hwang and GM Sereff (Hwang and Sereff on the same day). GM Kong Yong Il "came back" to the ITF already a 9th Dan -- don't know who promoted him. He joined with Master Choi at the start of the split but has now left him. GM Park Jung Soo returned to the ITF as a 9th Dan and General Choi recognized it. GM Park remains with ITF run by Chang Ung. Gen. Choi never forgave GM Park Jung Tae (GTF) for his "betrayal". Gen. Choi made it clear in his autobiography that he could never forgive GM Park. GM Park passed away from cancer a few years ago. In addition Duc Dang and Nguyen Van Binh of the USA hold 9th Dans in the ITF. They are part of the ITF group under Master Tran Quan. I'm not sure if Gen. Choi promoted them or not. Hope this helps, Robert Martin > > They are. General Choi promoted four people to 9th Dan; I was > > specifically told that this meant that these four (GM's Rhee, Hwang, > > Seriff, and Park, in that order) knew, essentially, as much about TKD > > as the General. > > Correction: I recently found out that the General had promoted other > 9th Dans, but they (for whatever reason) left the organization. I > _think_ there are/were two: Kang Young, who has subsequently joined > the "Canadian" (i.e. Master Choi, Jung Hwa) group, and Park Jung Tae > (spelling?), who I believe has since passed away. > > Can any other ITF'ers out there verify this? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr Dave Steffen, Ph.D. Wave after wave will flow with the tide > Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does > Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede > tkd-physics@comcast.net Leaving life to go on as it was... > - Peart / RUSH > "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... > is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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