Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:07:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #343 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: The art of fighting without fighting... (Tony Preston) 2. Jang Mu Won (michael tomlinson) 3. Happy Birthday GM Timmerman - Aug, 17th (Dewitt, Garrett) 4. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Manslaughter_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 5. more flag stuff (Dennis McHenry) 6. Art of Fighting, without fighting (Burdick, Dakin R) 7. Choe's manslaughter conviction (Burdick, Dakin R) 8. Happy BDay (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 9. Re: Herniated Disc (MJD1128@aol.com) 10. oops to "more flagg stuff" (Ricky Judge) 11. soft strikes (Charles Richards) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 6:56:46 -0500 From: "Tony Preston" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Organization: Custom Services Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The art of fighting without fighting... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Scene is from "Enter the Dragon", right near the beginning. Bruce is undercover for the British as he goes to Hans Lee's Island to fight in the tournament. One of the best movies, It has Jackie Chan, and several other martial artists and movie actors, Bruce takes away Nunchukas from Jackie in the big fight scene near the end. The most impressive scene in the movie (to me anyway) is when Bruce is fighting the guy in the tournament that had attacked and killed his sister. When they square of and start Bruce strikes with amazing speed. I read once that he was so fast that they had to flim it and slow it down so people could see the action (normaly they film and speed it up to make it look fast (as in Steven Segal movies)). ======= At 2003-08-12, 19:44:00 you wrote: ======= >Message: 2 >From: "Lasich, Mark D." >To: "Dojang (E-mail)" >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:05:38 -0400 >Subject: [The_Dojang] The Art of Fighting without Fighting???? >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Does anyone remember which Bruce Lee movie he demonstrates the "Art of >Fighting without Fighting"????? (Think he was on a boat, being pressured to >display his skills. Bruce offers to fight on an island they were >passing....The other guy jumps off, and Bruce and boat leave!) > >We are in the midst of offering the Bully Buster program to our Karate Kids, >and it would be interesting to show this scene to the kids on one way of >avoiding conflict! > >In the spirit, >Mark > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Best regards. Tony Preston apreston at comcast.net 2003-08-13 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:46:37 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jang Mu Won Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I had the privelige of working out with Les Connard a few years ago down here in Florida and even though I am not a member of Jang Mu Won Hapkido I highly recommend this org. If you get the chance to work out with these great Hapkidoists jump on the chance because they definately know their stuff and are gracious people... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Dewitt, Garrett" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:44:30 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Happy Birthday GM Timmerman - Aug, 17th Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On behalf of the students at Brainerd Tae Kwon Do - Hapkido, I would like to extend our birthday wishes to Grandmaster Rudy Timmerman. Our sincere wish for your continued good health and success in the coming year. "Happy Birthday Sa Ja Nim, August 17th, 2003" Respectfully Submitted Master Garrett DeWitt NKMAA Member Brainerd, Minnesota. U.S.A. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:25:38 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Manslaughter_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jim: ".....All I can say as to the rest, especially to Bruce since you were the first one to respond and the tone of your response, is don't judge too harshly without having heard both sides--which is exactly what it read like you were doing......" I think you are probably pretty accurate in your assessment and maybe an apology is in order if I gave people here the impression that GM Choe had somehow betrayed KMA in toto. I will need to take ownership of having some pretty cynical feelings about KMA leadership right now as I watch events on a completely separate front unfold. I have never been much of an organizational person but had someone told me when I started in the KMA how things would have turned out, I would have told them they were crazy. There is one silver lining to the story of GM Choe as well as that other mess with the KHF. At least it has people communicating. After all, to my way of thinking thats how a lot of this stuff happens. People get wrapped-up in their own separate worlds and delegate responsibility for things to someone else. I bet there has been a helluva lot more communication about how things have happened--- and how they need to happen in the future--- in the lat year than in much of the time before that. Sure would like to see it continue albeit regarding more positive issues. As far as GM Choe--- thanks for the heads-up, Jim. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:56:56 GMT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Dennis McHenry Subject: [The_Dojang] more flag stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Lower Texas " Brian, I believe Texas is the only state in the Union that can fly at the same height as the US flag. This is because when Texas was admitted to the Union it was it's own country, not just a territory of another country. I don't know of any other execptions. I remember there was a stink when formerly 'Enron Field', now 'MinuteMaid Field' new home of the Houston Astros had the Texas flag pole smaller/lower than the US flag pole. The contractors who put it in didn't know any better :-) Mac Native Texan ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:03:35 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Art of Fighting, without fighting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mark Lasich wrote: >Does anyone remember which Bruce Lee movie he demonstrates the "Art of Fighting without Fighting"? Ray has already identified this as from Enter the Dragon, and I think it is a great lesson for kids! You should also know that is from the story of the Japanese swordsman Musashi originally. Bruce was a brilliant amalgamizer of martial lore. That means he stole from everybody. :) And by the way, that's ok. Wally Jay calls it "borrowing." Ian Cyrus wrote: >Martial arts practitioners has long recognized the effectiveness of striking this point. This is why so many techniques are directed here. Finally, all I can say, is proceed with caution. Thanks Ian! I was wondering when someone would mention that it might not be the best thing in the world to go around whacking one's students and friends on that point! :) Bruce Sims wrote: "So much for all the high-toned talk about how KMA developes Character and helps people to become better persons." Yep. One of my students works at the local jail, so I've now had that illusion thoroughly destroyed. This year's record: One capoeira man in jail for shooting a man in the gut, one judo instructor in for criminal trespass (I think - I can't remember the exact charge), and one t'aekwondo man (another one of my students, as a matter of fact!) in for statutory rape. All this in one little town. Sigh. I get closer to taking up hiking every year! Take care, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:15:17 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Choe's manslaughter conviction Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jim McHie Jr. wrote: >In one of Choe's books on Black Belt Studies, he talks about converting to Christianity and religion as having changed his life, but in between the lines you could infer that if we was a peaceful Christian now that there might have been a time when he wasn't as peaceful. I like the two books of his that I have, so it begs the question whether the books have value if the man turns out to be a skilled martial artist but a flawed human being. Yep. He-Young Kimm's books are still better, but Choe had a couple good books. Too bad he threw that away. >don't judge too harshly without having heard both sides I agree that we are all human, but when you kill someone that is generally not acceptable. Doesn't manslaughter include intent as a necessary requirement? I think we can feel sorry for all the players in this tragedy, but I would be wary around anyone who committed this kind of crime, no matter how nice of a guy he was in public. I remember a wonderful student up in Canada. He had done some time, but was out and was trying to catch up on his life, including his very young daughter, who I think was born while he was in prison. He really wanted to do the right thing, and he truly loved his family, but he had a bad temper. After a fender-bender, two guys came at him, one with a tire iron in his hand. The guy got out, took the tire iron away from his attacker, and beat him with it until the other attacker convinced him (verbally) to stop. The result? Daddy went back to prison. These things are tragedies, but please don't go apologizing for the guy in jail, ok? And I hope everyone realizes that by training in the martial arts, you are assuring that you will be held to a higher standard of conduct in a court of law. Choe is a very muscular guy, and promoted himself as a skilled martial artist. Any jury, and any judge, is going to ask themselves, "couldn't he have stopped the guy without a sword? Doesn't hapkido teach jointlocks for controls?" Jim also wrote: "I think it's high time to wait for more information to come in before making judgement." Sure, but I can't find any. If anyone else can, please do. Take care, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:20:54 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Happy BDay Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The 17th will be easy to remember, as it is my sister-in-law's birthday. Ya'all enjoy your annual camp this weekend. I will be on vacation enjoying the Kentucky mountains. :) Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: MJD1128@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:49:41 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Herniated Disc Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the response Ray. I dont know for sure how it happened. The doctor said that martial arts probably didnt help but probably wasnt the cause. He said these things break down over time...Ive been training in Hapkido for about 15 yrs and Brazillian Jiujitsu for about 5. Im trying to get feedback from as many martial artists as possible to see if anyone has had a similar situation. Whatever I find out..Ill share with the people on this list...I hope no one else has to go through this...its extremely painful. Mark --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Ricky Judge" To: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:09:57 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] oops to "more flagg stuff" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: Brian "Maybe 'cause I'm a Redskin fan this irks me" Beach, I think you misread your own research. You concluded that the Lone Star should be dropped lower than the U.S. flag, but it can be displayed at the same height as long as the National Flag is on the right (it's own right, not the observer's). Since Texas Government code instructs that "the flags should be displayed on flagpoles or flagstaffs of the same height", many Texans believe the State of Texas is the only state do so. But in actuality, any state can and still comply with the flag etiquette as you sited, "When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag's right." Now the height of the state capital is another subject Texans like to discuses, but I will refrain. From: Sally "obviously educated in Tx" Judge --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:11:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] soft strikes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> As Jere points out, it takes a lot of time to learn proper KI striking. It always makes me a bit nervous when folks start slapping each other without taking time to ensure they can control this strike, and it is one of the reasons I advocate working on concrete or wood until control is achieved. With JRs many years of training, he has mastered the strike to perfection. JR's story of using it on someone who "wanted to learn what it feels like" shows clearly that it is vital the partner is also well trained. This is no doubt why you see JR using it on his "close" students who are Masters in their own right. I personally use it only on my two 4th dahns, and I have turned down numerous requests from folks to strike them. This has no doubt caused some of them to think it is all bull, but then I really could care less what these folks think of me:) The point of my post is that I sincerely hope the folks who are working on KI strikes because of our little parking lot sessions take it serious enough not to use it on their students or partners until they can consistently do ALL the breaks I asked them to work on. It is not enough that you break one or even more blocks, you must have control enough to break a specific one out of a stack before you hit people. Even when you are consistent in your breaks, you should also have been on the receiving end of the strikes for a while before you strike others. Forego this advise, and you will someday find yourself in a whole mess of trouble. JR had the knowledge to revive his partner... can you do the same? <> Dear Sa Ja Nim, Once again thank you for your wisdom. I will take it at face value and go back to "one brick at a time" method. I've got plenty of time before Niko will be asserting his rights to Sa Ja Nim of Moja Kwan, so here I am at the humble first year of my decade or so of learning to ki strike properly. With a little luck and a lot of training, I just might get all three bricks on my 50th birthday :-) So you'll be stuck seeing a lot of me in Jackson over the next decade, neh? BTW, I think I know in theory how to revive someone, but I have never had to do it so I agree with your advice, I sure don't want to do my first live drill on some poor stranger I just tapped... Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest