Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:10:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #344 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Leg kicks (Charles Richards) 2. MA Software (Charles Richards) 3. Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The art of fighting without fighting... (daniel_abramovitch@agilent.com) 4. manslaughter (Patrick L) 5. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Open_Invitation?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 6. Ki Strikes (Rudy Timmerman) 7. Re: Herniated Disc (Julie Meyer) 8. Re: Re: Herniated Disc (Ray Terry) 9. Happy B Day GM Timmerman (Troy Trudeau) 10. RE: Herniated disc (Tammy & Greg Hindley) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:58:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Leg kicks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> you know, the nerve on the outside of the thigh that makes you not walk good for about 5 or 10 minutes. Yeah, that one, well how many times hitting that is bad for your health? My buds and I have always done it to one another, and I was thinking the other day about anything done in excess is bad. Charlie, Yes, severe problems! If you kick that spot too frequently you end up speaking with a rather strong southern accent... :) <> Charlie, Seriously, the average Mui Thai fighter is done for by age 22 to 25. I have seen a few Mui Thai matches won by knock out or TKO by repeatedly kicking this point. Most retired Mui Thai fighters have a rather pronounced limp, if they can still walk.... This used to be one of my favorite targets for a soft style palm strike...before I learned better from GM Timmerman's recent post. And all this time, I thought Charlie talked funny because he had his dobohk pants hiked up too high, neh? Cheers, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:25:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] MA Software Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> I would love it if you could send me your individual wish lists of: - what you feel is essential to a good student management system - what you would like to see, but rarely, if ever, have seen, in such a system Tell me what you'd like to see in reports, on screens, etc. Get as detailed as you like; I will value all input. If requested, I will share the final document with any who request it (sometime around the end of December), with the Understanding that no one else will build the identical system, as I may eventually build and attempt to market it (discounted to DD members ). I don't know if it would be of interest to other members of the list to see all this stuff, though it might start discussions going. I will ask that whether or not you post to the list, please email me at my personal email address, which is shereeg@frontiernet.net . Oh, in case you're wondering what my martial arts qualifications are, I studied Isshinryu Karate for six years (three years pre-kids, Three years about 12 years later) stopping for personal reasons at 1st gup, ending in 1997. I am currently studying Tae Kwon Do (which I love), am a black belt candidate, and hope to test for my 1st dan in February. <> Dear Sheree, I would like to see the finished product. Here goes..... Student record to include; name, address, phone, work phone, cell phone, email, BOTH parents FULL names (and work/cell phones), date of entry, date of birth, gender, contract start date, contract end date, belt size, current belt rank (including stripes if used), attendance functions who's in what calss, who teaches what class, mark attendance by date and class, count attendance since last belt test and save all attendance dates, save date of last attendance and date of last exam prospect functions source, referal and name, schedule call back or intro, record attendance of intro and/or convert to enrolled, save date of first contact Reports I need birthday list by month email list (and ability to export to outlook) phone list roster by class roster by rank who's testing this month belt list based on who's testing who's missed class in the last xx days what prospects have not enrolled or missed intros prospect stats %of calls to appointments %of appointments to intros % of intros to enrollments % of calls to enrollments.....cost of call and cost per enrollment would be nice to track also Attendance by class and/or day of week Lessons since last test The ability to make up queries in a GUI is always nice, and then paste the results somewhere else like a csv or txt file is nice for mail merges in a word processing software. FWIW, I actually like my point of sale module in Master Vision, and even though it has been a lot of work to set up the inventory, I like using it. It relates all sales to the student PIN Good Luck, Charles Richards, www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: daniel_abramovitch@agilent.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The art of fighting without fighting... Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:30:54 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > The most impressive scene in the movie (to me anyway) is when > Bruce is fighting the > guy in the tournament that had attacked and killed his > sister. When they square of and > start Bruce strikes with amazing speed. I read once that he > was so fast that they had > to film it and slow it down so people could see the action > (normally they film and speed it > up to make it look fast (as in Steven Segal movies)). What I've always wondered about that scene is: How does he know that this guy killed his sister? I mean, nobody survives the attacks to tell the guy who told Bruce. Furthermore, wasn't the killer alone with her when she took her life? So, how would Bruce know what happened? Of course, it's been a while since I watched it. In fact, my jujitsu class watched it together years ago. When Bruce jumped on the guy's head and neck, our instructor (a famous guy named James), said something to the effect of "he'll be sore tomorrow." "No. He's dead, Jim." --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:24:36 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] manslaughter Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Sims, Burdick and others, Master Choe has been judged and found guilty. Not Martial Arts, Martial organizations, nor humankind should be judged for his actions. I believe I met Master Choe about 6 years ago when he was in Los Angeles area. I may still have my autographed copy of his book that he presented to me as a gift. We had lunch, and he exhibited the same traits as most Martial Artists. We should not think ourselves too different, or the lesson of his guilt is lost. Getting in the WAY, Patrick >"I think it's high time to wait for more information to come in before making judgment." Sure, but I can't find any. If anyone else can, please do.< _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:32:20 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Open_Invitation?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Folks: If at all possible I am working to make it to the next Internationale in Jackson the weekend of September 12th and 13th. Though it will undoubtedly be a busy time I am extending an invitation to folks who want to get together informally and work on Chang Bong together. As always my guiding authority will be the MYTBTJ ("kong bang" Book 4, Chapter 2; pg 333) and I will even see what I can do to put together some handouts to take with you. Anthony (New) has been working some staff material with his students and may be able to make it. Its not even halfway through August so anything can happen, but if there are folks who have been dabbling around with staff and want to get together it will help to know before hand and maybe even make some arrangements before we get there. Feel free to answer through this post or e-mail me off- line. Spec Note to JR: If there is any opportunities for an activity like this that you would recommend, your thoughts would be sincerely appreciated. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:42:40 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Ki Strikes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Charles writes: > I've got plenty of time > before Niko will be asserting his rights to Sa Ja Nim of Moja Kwan, so > here I am at the humble first year of my decade or so of learning to ki > strike properly. With a little luck and a lot of training, I just > might get all three bricks on my 50th birthday :-) Hello Charles: The nice thing about Ki strikes is that you can still do them at 50:) Like you said, there is no hurry, and you have lots of time. The essential think is to make sure you keep your partners safe, and carefully consider the ramifications before you use it on foes. As Ian and Dakin said, using Ki strikes on dangerous points is not a good idea, and to do it repeatedly on the same person is asking for trouble. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who wished me a happy birth day (on and off list) . I too hope I will see many more, because I truly enjoy working with all of you folks. In addition, I have so much more to learn. Have a great vacation Jere! Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Julie Meyer" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:16:44 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Herniated Disc Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >I have a herniated disc between C5 and C6 and >a bulging disc between C6 and C7 (MRI and XRay). My left hand is very weak >and I cant extend my fingers. The doctor said that surgery is the only >option. Has anyone had anything similar to this and is fusion surgury the >way to go? Mark -- First off, sorry to hear about your discs. I understand that having a herniation can be extremely painful. I have not had one myself, but have worked with and known several people with your same problem. I am a Chiropractic student and a Registered Nurse, and I have seen some amazing results with Chiropractic and disc bulges and herniations. I would suggest that before you have surgery, start with a non-invasive route and see a Chiropractor in your area first. He/she will need to see your x-rays and MRI to fully evaluate the problem. The problems that you are mentioning with your left hand are directly related to the interference of your nerves from that area. A Chiropractor will be able to help remove that interference and therefore restore the function of your left hand. Also, IF the Chiropractor can not help, he / she will then help you find a neurosurgeon that can help. I would always suggest the non-invasive route when dealing with anything. Remember, once you've had your vertebrae fused, you will never have the same amount of motion, function, or nerve innervation. Since you didn't mention where you are from, I can't offer any advise as to who to see. I would be happy to help you find a Chiropractor in your area if you would like to email me. Since I am currently in Chiropractic school, I have an abundance of resources available to tap into. Also, I would be happy to provide you with literature information on the subject of Chiropractic and disc herniations if that would help. Good luck to you! Julie Meyer peace_love_1@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Herniated Disc To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > The problems that you are mentioning with your left hand are directly > related to the interference of your nerves from that area. A Chiropractor > will be able to help remove that interference and therefore restore the > function of your left hand. Also, IF the Chiropractor can not help, he / > she will then help you find a neurosurgeon that can help. I would always > suggest the non-invasive route when dealing with anything. Remember, once > you've had your vertebrae fused, you will never have the same amount of > motion, function, or nerve innervation. To dovetail with Julie, a similar but different idea might be to consult with an Osteopath. As I understand it, esentially an MD that also receives chiropractic training. They might either try chiropractic treatment or refer you directly to another place for treatment based on your test results, etc. Just a thought. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:42:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Trudeau To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Happy B Day GM Timmerman Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Happy B Day GM Timmerman, From Your students and friends at Paris Martial Arts, Paris TN , We hope that this weekend is great for you and the Camp group, make sure that you get plenty of snake bite medicine , Sincerely, Troy Trudeau --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Tammy & Greg Hindley" To: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:54:33 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Herniated disc Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mark, I had 3herniated discs in the lumbar region about 6 years ago. L3/L4, L4/L5, L5/S1 They turned out to be ruptured. Usually medical science will try PT and some anti-inflammatory medications on bulging or herniated way before suggesting surgery and surgery is a LAST resort always months down the road and maybe even years. For a herniated disc. Usually PT and anti-inflam. If you Dr.is suggesting surgery after this first initial diagnosis and MRI then you should seriously consider getting a 2nd and 3rd opinion. Some Drs. Just like to cut and if there is insurance all the better. Any surgery is dangerous and possibly life threatening. You could be paralyzed for life, lose motor functions and all kinds of complications. A fusion is a complicated serious surgery anytime. Usually there is a decompression disc-ectomy done and then rehab. A fusion is way down the line. I am concerned that your Dr. has recommended a fusion so little into the injury. I took all the drugs and did PT for months and months to no avail before my Dr. suggested surgery. 7 months later with stinging leg pain that would not subside. He knew I was a Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido and Judoka man and said this is why it probably was not worse and also aided greatly in my recovery after surgery and since then with all the training and stretching I had done. Glucosimine / Chondroiten(sp) has all but alleviated and repaired my back after the surgery and I should have taken it years ago. I still train 6 to 7 days a week as well as lifting weights regularly. I do physical labor as a carpenter and am training as a Bail Enforcement Officer so will see all kinds of action and feel confident in remaining injury free. Never stop training. Drs even told me I would never lift or do Martial Arts. Its all in your attitude and mental strength. How old are you and what is your physical shape? Really think about getting a 2nd opinion from someone not related to the other Dr. or in his orthopedic group. If it is a workers comp then by law you are entitled to a 2nd and 3rd opinion. Once you're fused or decompressed there is no going back. Try the less invasive approaches FIRST. Greg --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest